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I'm afraid for the future of Game of Thrones

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Warning, here be spoilers.

Game of Thrones is based on the formula "The bad guys win". This, at least in the first seasons, kept messing with people's expectations of what's going to happen because the vast majority of the media is all about the good guys winning. However that formula has now been overused to the point where GoT became predictable because of it. We know anyone who's good is gonna get fucked, we only don't know how.

I'm gonna be honest, I'm pretty tired of caring for a character and then having them die. I imagine that, if the show was to have a downfall, this would be it. You can't just crush every attachment that everyone has for your characters and expect them to still like the show. At some point, everyone we care about will be dead and then who cares what happens at the end. If all the showrunners go for is shock value, then I'm really afraid for what this show will become.

And so we have "Valar Morghulis", all men must die. Problem is, you can't write a story like that. Someone can't die, otherwise the story has no meaning. If the end of the story is not relevant to major characters who died, then their story was completely pointless, an utter waste of space.

This entire season was a long series of events in which the fans said "Well, it couldn't possibly end that badly", only to watch it end exactly as badly as they thought it would. Seriously, at this point the series is just turning into emotional abuse for the sake of "subverting tropes" and "showing how the hero story would play out in the real world".

And now, to stop speaking so broadly, if Jon Snow is really, actually dead, and won't appear anymore in neither the books nor the show, then this is the worst piece of shit storytelling I have ever seen. What would be the point of his story then? Was his just a tragic story within the bigger story? What about his real mother, the one Ned promised he would tell him? Should we just forget that ever happened?

For the sake of my love for something I should, by all logic, hate, I will remain strong in my belief that Jon will return. Melisandre returned to Castle Black for a reason. She clearly realized that Stannis is not Azor Ahai, and she now has a big role to play.

The night is hype and full of tinfoil.




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Aye, do I hope he comes back? Yes. Do I think he will? No.

 

I simply think that they're intentionally making us think he'll come back -Killing of Jon would be the perfect way for them to show that really no one in game of thrones is safe from death.

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Yes, no one is safe, which is a numbing effect on the audience, you have no suspense when you abuse that rule too much. It's death for the sake of edge, and one of the reasons the whole body of work sucks balls. It's like slapping a thin piece of meat onto a whole onion for seasoning, it's useless and tastes like crap.

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Aye, do I hope he comes back? Yes. Do I think he will? No.

 

I simply think that they're intentionally making us think he'll come back -Killing of Jon would be the perfect way for them to show that really no one in game of thrones is safe from death.

 

That's the thing. They made this point quite a while ago, now it's hurting their story. The whole "nobody is safe from death" seems to have them stuck in a mindset of cheap shock deaths

 

Yes, no one is safe, which is a numbing effect on the audience, you have no suspense when you abuse that rule too much. It's death for the sake of edge, and one of the reasons the whole body of work sucks balls. It's like slapping a thin piece of meat onto a whole onion for seasoning, it's useless and tastes like crap.

 

Until season 3, that formula worked perfectly. The Red Wedding was beautifully pulled off, but it was all downhill from there.

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I think they're pushing it too far, while I don't want a happy fairy-tale ending - there needs to be some kind of meaning to everything.  Regardless, we'll see what happens. I'm not going to speculate on whether he is dead or not.

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Yea I only just watched the episode last night and was shocked.

 

I just recently read a theory that he may have not been Ned's son, but Ned's sisters son, and that he could possibly be related to Danny. So that would have been kind of cool, but now he's dead?

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I was of the understanding that Jon Snow was Robert's bastard and Ned was protecting Robert by claiming Jon was his bastard. I can't remember where I read it, but it seems plausible to me that Ned would have done this to protect Robert's claim to the crown after they removed the mad king.

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Even Kit Harrington said he is dead and not coming back... but I know he has to say that. My hope is Jon Snow is dead, but that Jon Stark/Taergaryeon (sp?) will come back in his place. I'm with you Never, "Melisandre returned to Castle Black for a reason"!

 

I read a lot of the theories out there and there is 1 I'm hoping the show and books follow. I'll give next season 1 or 2 episodes but a lot of the characters that kept me coming back are gone and I might be too depending on what happens.

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The show over season 5 is deviating HARD from the books, and I think this is a huge mistake. Just a few examples

True: Jon Snow was attacked by fellow crows. True, he's stabbed several time. Also true, the book cuts away immediately and we're left hanging. Too much mystery surrounding his origin to just throw him the fuck away

Aegon Taergaryeon... WHERE ARE YOU??? (Missing character, along with Connington)

Barristan Selmy: Survives attack, helps to lead defense

Stannis: What the fuck are they doing to him??? Maybe apart from Eddard Stark he's the most honorable man in Westeros, given he's MUCH too litteral

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I haven't seen the last two season due to my wife's aversion to graphic violence, but I've mainly given up on the series just because of the novels.  The first three (ok, maybe 2 and a half) are great.  It started going bad with book 4 wasting a bunch of time on characters I don't give a rat's ass about.  Then book five made me stop caring about the story at all.  I've never seen so many pages detailing so damn little actual story.  And the amount of shit that he puts the characters through has achieved comical proportions.  Either he's just trolling us now or he is in serious need of an editor that can tell him no.  Stop with the damn travelogues, stop with the fucking pointless details about every thing everyone is eating, and stop with the damn torture porn. 

Read Joe Abercrombie books instead.  He does grim fantasy better at this point.

 

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The show over season 5 is deviating HARD from the books, and I think this is a huge mistake. Just a few examples

True: Jon Snow was attacked by fellow crows. True, he's stabbed several time. Also true, the book cuts away immediately and we're left hanging. Too much mystery surrounding his origin to just throw him the fuck away

Aegon Taergaryeon... WHERE ARE YOU??? (Missing character, along with Connington)

Barristan Selmy: Survives attack, helps to lead defense

Stannis: What the fuck are they doing to him??? Maybe apart from Eddard Stark he's the most honorable man in Westeros, given he's MUCH too litteral

Other deviations:
- Sanse never marries Bolton, she is no where near to Winterfell but still in the custody of LittleFinger.  Arya marries Bolton, or at least a look-a-like, since the real Arya is in Braavos.
- Arya gets blind and loses all possessions as part of her training, not as a punishment of doing something wrong.  She actually does poison the old man "sailor" at the water front.  She never kills Meryn Trant.

- Melissandre never left Castle Black, Stannis never burned his daughter, his wife never hangs herself
- Where the fuck are the Greyjoy pirates??????!!!!!
- Where the fuck is Bran????!!!!
- Jon sends Sam to Oldville (Sam never begs him), together with Maester Aemon (who dies on the ship over there) and Gilly.
- You think the king beyond the wall Mance Rayder is dead??  LOL, not in the books he is not.
- Jaime and Tyrion did not part on good terms at all.  Tyrion seriously hates his brother.
- Jaime doesn't want anything to do with Cersei anymore.  He never answers her in prison.  He didn't go to Dorne
- WHERE THE FUCK IS THE SNOW???  In the books you constantly feel the pressure of winter.  The whole north is at least 5 meters deep in snow!!
- ...

It's ridicilous how they are deviating from the books.

I'm gonna be honest, I'm pretty tired of caring for a character and then having them die. I imagine that, if the show was to have a downfall, this would be it. You can't just crush every attachment that everyone has for your characters and expect them to still like the show.

Lots of cool caracters are still alive: Tyrion, Little Finger, Daenerys, Davos Seaworth (The Onion Knight), Melisandre, Bronn the sell sword, Lord Varys the spider, Daario, ...
Not to mention lots of "bad guys": Cersei, the Boltons, Othel Yarwyck, ...
Actually, I don't quite get what the fascination with Jon is.  He's just some guy at the wall, like many others.  I never really had a good connection with that caracter.

 

If I can speculate, this will happen: Lannisters and Martells will kill eachother.  Daenerys will come over and conquer a part.  Throw in some other families that are still around that will weaken everything.  And in the end, the wall will fall, the "others" and "White Walkers" will swarm over the land and kill everything and everyone.

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I'm having withdrawals, nothing on to watch. Wish the season lasted longer.

I'm am starting to see a lot of the characters popping up in other places though, saw Lena Headey (Cersei) in something the other night. Oh how I hate here in Game of Thrones though, lol.

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The Stark family, at least in the books, are not all dead.

Catelyn was revived by magic (the same magic can do this several times but at great cost)
Jon Snow is not seen to die, "things went dark" which may be a clue that he took over Ghost as a warg.
The same could possibly happen to Robb.

Bran is going to replace the head chappie of the Weirwood Trees.

The Mountain isn't dead either, he has been magicked back to "life" by an excommunicated Maester.

I can't see the affairs of the Seven Kingdoms and Daenarys holding sway over the coming winter for much longer. Yes, the bad guys might win but according to whose definition of "bad"?
Arya, by becoming a Faceless Man, could be defined as being bad. Daenyrs, through her overwhelming lust to conquer Westeros with Dragons, could be seen as bad too.

The ultimate bad guys, the White Walkers, cannot be allowed to win; everything else in the series must be subordinate to Winter is Coming.

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