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  1. 4 points
    Archaic_One

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    T-10: 30 T-54: 26AMX M4 51: 24T49: 25WZ-111 1-4: 25Conqueror: 23Type 4 Heavy: 22E50: 21E75: 22AMX 30: 21T30: 20T95: 21M46 Patton: 22B-C 25t AP: 18Skoda T50: 21Leopard PTA: 20Object 704: 20Object 263: 20WT Auf Pz. IV: 20Object 430: 20 +1 = 21 I'm not sure if this is any better than the T-54, but it tanks well and alpha is important in this meta of minimizing exposure or getting blapped by HEST-I: 20Tortoise: 20AMX 13 90: 20Mauschen: 20STRV 103-0: 2050TP: 20Standard B: 20Centurion 7/1: 19T-54 LW: 8.Object 257: 17WZ-132A: 17WZ-120: 17Object 705: 17Jagdtiger: 17T54E1 : 12Conway: 14Foch: 14WZ-111G FT: 15VK 4502 (B): 9Type 61: 11 -3 = 8 There are certain tanks that I just don't fear or respect in any way because I know I can easily kill them if they become bothersome. Of the tanks that are left, this instills the least amount of fear in meAMX 50 120: 8Emil II: 5M103: 5RU 251: 14 For the record, all of you are wrong about how to determine what is 'good' or 'bad' in a tank. @Kolni made reference to a Mercedes Formula 1 race car and its elite driver. Ha, Mercedes builds less than a half dozen F1 cars per year - what they do build a lot of are dump trucks. There are no unicum dump truck drivers. In most games on NA there are no unicums, frequently even at high tiers you're lucky to catch a teal. Most games are decided by a mixture of chance and the decision making of a horde of yellows. When I am evaluating the start screen I am looking at XVM (yes, I'm cancer) and at the ratio of OP/UP tanks. The evaluation process is a simple binary sorting. If I could rearrange just by tanks, which ones do I want my yellows driving and which ones do I want their yellows driving. Do that top to bottom sorting enough times and patterns start to show up. This thread is all about how each of us sorts dumptrucks. @nabucodonsor Lies, damn lies, and statistics my friend! I don't care what your stats say about the T95, the IS-4, the Ferdi, etc. If I put $1k on the table and said "pick a tier 9 and win the first game you play and its yours", not a single player in this room would pick the T95. Not one. A good tank has carry potential on every map, whether top or bottom tier, regardless of the platoons or arty or how the lemmings roll. A good tank puts the player in a position to determine the outcome no matter the circumstance. The T95 is just not that dumptruck.
  2. 2 points
    lavawing

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    At least the T95 looks like a dumptruck
  3. 1 point
    Tanager

    China - meds or lights?

    That moment when you get home and realize everyone else had been discussing a completely different tank than you, and most of your points are worthless/irrelevant. </facePalm> I actually have a T44-100, and I've played it - I'd still choose blackdog for counterscouting any day, but apologies for the multipost brainfart.
  4. 1 point
    lavawing

    China - meds or lights?

    It has half the terrain resistances so plays like a soviet ultramed with light tank mobility. Can even sidescrape when you have no other options. The T-44 is good and this is pretty much better. Progetto is better for creds, but it's like saying the Leo PTA loses less money than the T-54.
  5. 1 point
    lavawing

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    The spark that comes from clashing E-peens is what fuels this forum tho.......by far more incendiary than fags. In the end it seems there's a broad consensus on tank opinion anyway What a fruitful and productive use of time! Anyway, not sure where the scores are at, Conqueror 23+1? = 24?? most consistent performer among tier 9 heavies. this tank is where you go if you complain the AMX M4 51 is cheese against HEAT; Foch 14-3 = 11??? an autoloading casemate TD - what a fucking masterpiece. You literally have to play like a turd to get clipped by this tank, and the rest of the French autoloading TDs.
  6. 1 point
    zbran

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    Ahh ok. So what is the "best tank" is well above my pay grade. What is the best tank "in peoples opinion" is what the thread is about. Carry on them :-)
  7. 1 point
    Kolni

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    The topic at hand was about what the best tank is. (Has close to nothing do with the thread though)
  8. 1 point
    Kolni

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    No, but we don't have perfect play so the closest thing there is to it are the best players = their performance carry more weight. A shitty player will do better in another tank, and that's perfectly fine if he wants to play that since it'll likely be his best performer relative to where he is on the skill-spectrum. When you reach the end of the spectrum you can only compare with people below you, and the discrepancies are either some RNG or a gap in skill. That gap in skill means there are more to some tanks than 99% of the playerbase have been able to figure out and that they are missing something. (The tank is likely a lot better than what it seems) and that's how you end up with these things. Just watch Stanlocks stat page or something and tell me that the DPG/WR's on top players differ? How is it that 50Bs are stuck in the 60s for many players in winrate but as you start crossing over the 4,2k dpg treshold the WR shoots up to pretty rapidly all the way up 75%? The players pulling these types of high DPGs clearly know something else and it's all an issue of not knowing how to play but judging anyway and resulting in things as the hilarious tank guides made by 47%ers on the official forum. They're wrong, unqualified to judge in the first place and definitely not in a place to sway other people. That's why the bottom, middle and most of the upper part playerbase doesn't even matter when it comes to what really is objectively good or not. How do you know what is good when there's human error in the mix? Reduce it as much as possible and you get something that can come decently close. And no, I'm not saying the rank 1 player is king and what he says is law, what I said from the start is that the best tank will be the best tank for the best player because that combination is as close to perfect as you can come. If you instead pull stats for the top 100 players for every tank and measure them rather than the entire playerbase, the expected values would look so insanely different and would actually be sensible when comparing tank characteristics with performance. Some tanks have unique qualities, some are very general and this way you get values as close to true as they can be. It'd make sense for game health and it'd literally make sense everywhere. The issue of performance for averages players really won't matter either, either you care about performance and learn, or you don't and then the actual balancing situation won't even apply to you anyway. I genuinely don't understand how this is a concept that someone can even misunderstand or worse not even instantly see as the actual way of objectively measuring things like this. Pubbies give you plenty of information but that information doesn't matter because they don't try. If people aren't actively seeking better performance then balancing has no affect on them anyway, so just rid of that problem entirely and don't balance around them? It really isn't hard to understand. And no, people can vote for whatever they want. It's a subjective thread about each players' experience when it comes to what they percieve to be the best tank/worst. It's pretty healthy for it because people are different and have different opinions. Everyone is just sharing their own experiences from their side, it only turns into a problem when someone tries to argue with someone elses opinion without knowing what an objective approach is and the argument is just opinion vs opinion. The argument was for what is the actual best tank without player bias involved at all, and my way is the only way you'll ever get that.
  9. 1 point
    hazzgar

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    Kolni the thing is formula cars are good at one thing. It isn't even going fast. It's going fast in very specific scenarios. Also there is a serious logic flaw in your post. You want to judge a tank with the driver taken out of the equation yet you then procede to talk about positive sides of elitism and judge the tank by how good they are for the best drivers. Also remember no one here is asking 500 dmg players for their opinion. Some people simply want to evaluate how those tanks influence their gameplay. Also we are not really talking about tanks working for tomatoes. We are talking about tanks working for blues, purples and deep purples. Those are much smaller groups. Also you didn't specify in which scenario - pure t10 games/ranked or pubs or cw. You didn't say pure gold spam + food or not since many people would argue a tank needing food + goldspam is worse than a tank that doesn't need it even if the tryhard setup makes it the best on the server. My main gripe with your reasoning is you didn't clearly state the definition of best for you, you just simply argue that only 1 player on the server can judge tanks (since he is the best and anyone worse knows less) and that we should evaluate all tanks from his pov. T-10: 30 T-54: 26AMX M4 51: 24T49: 25WZ-111 1-4: 25Conqueror: 23Type 4 Heavy: 23E50: 21E75: 22AMX 30: 22T30: 20T95: 21M46 Patton: 19B-C 25t AP: 18Skoda T50: 21Leopard PTA: 20Object 704: 20Object 263: 20WT Auf Pz. IV: 20Object 430: 21ST-I: 20Tortoise: 20AMX 13 90: 20Mauschen: 20STRV 103-0: 20 +1 = 21 (I know this will trigger Kolni and there are like 10 tanks better than it but I like vision games and I like the strv)50TP: 20Standard B: 20Centurion 7/1: 19T-54 LW: 8.Object 257: 17WZ-132A: 17WZ-120: 17Object 705: 17Jagdtiger: 18T54E1 : 12Conway: 14Foch: 14WZ-111G FT: 15VK 4502 (B): 9Type 61: 8AMX 50 120: 8Emil II: 2-3 = -1 - Die you frustrating one trick pony.M103: 2RU 251: 14
  10. 1 point
    MagicalFlyingFox

    China - meds or lights?

    If you want to deal damage, why the fuck are you even talking about light tanks?
  11. 1 point
    Have you got in game chat turned off lava because I've said hi twice you rude bugger.
  12. 1 point
  13. 1 point
    Assassin7

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    T-10: 29 T-54: 26 AMX M4 51: 24 T49: 25 WZ-111 1-4: 25 Conqueror: 23 Type 4 Heavy: 22 E50: 21 E75: 22 AMX 30: 21 T30: 20 T95: 21 M46 Patton: 22 B-C 25t AP: 18 Skoda T50: 21 Leopard PTA: 20 Object 704: 20 Object 263: 20 WT Auf Pz. IV: 20 Object 430: 20 ST-I: 20 Tortoise: 20 AMX 13 90: 20 Mauschen: 20 STRV 103-0: 20 50TP: 20 Standard B: 20 Centurion 7/1: 19 T-54 LW: 8. Object 257: 17 WZ-132A: 17 WZ-120: 17 Object 705: 17 Jagdtiger: 17 T54E1: 12 Conway: 14 Foch: 14 WZ-111G FT: 15 VK 4502 (B): 9 Type 61: 11. AMX 50 120: 8 Emil II: 5 M103: 5 RU 251: 17 Updated list, added RU back. I feel its fair to keep it, even though its not going to win.
  14. 1 point
    I think the hierarchy of people better than them is something like... Noob - low level probably outplayed them while doing a bounce mission Cunt - outplayed using standard ammunition Gold spammer - outplayed them using standard ammunition by hitting weakspots Cheat - outplayed them by shooting from camo / not sitting in the open / angling Asshat - all of the above
  15. 1 point
    StormCrowReaperManyHats

    China - meds or lights?

    Arguing about which light tank is the best is literally the same as arguing over whether Syphilis is better than Herpes. You may be technically correct but who wants either?
  16. 1 point
    Tanager

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    I never expected the thread to be anything more than subjective. It's a parlor game used to canvass the views of a group of players ranging from slightly above average (me, e.g.) up to genuine unica, and I'm totally okay with that - if you aggregate the views of enough reasonably good players who are willing to put some thought into their responses, I think you'll wind up with an acceptable consensus. I'd further assert that said consensus can be used by players like myself as a sufficiently accurate barometer of tank quality that you can at least pick out the utter garbage and know what's just not worth even attempting to play, given a choice. I'm good with that. Every one of these elimination threads has seen a similar debate about, "what does good mean" - I'm personally totally okay with it being in the eye of the beholder. Many of the better players have stated and well-known playstyles, or they're willing to qualify their answers with enough thoughtful rationale that you can tell, "well, would it be good for *me*?" within a not-extreme margin of error. All IMHO, of course, but that applies to the entire thread, too. (edit) I also enjoy threads like this. It's good to stimulate some actual discussion, and when I was a forum newbie, threads like this were what grabbed me most, so if this pulls in a few new posters who wonder why they've bothered to show up, that's a pretty good bonus.
  17. 1 point
    sr360

    sr360's Non-potato games

  18. 1 point
    Just bring back fuckin frontlines already wg, I can't stand the game in its current form, but fl's I loved.
  19. 1 point
    woe2you

    On Allchat

    So lemme get this right - the prevailing opinion is fuck arty who drown themselves and fuck arty who try to stay alive to get another shot in like anyone else? That's official forums level irrational fuckwittery.
  20. 0 points
    Ham_

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    Updated and ordered I got two new tier 9s today oh boy here goes T-10: 30 T-54: 26 T49: 25 WZ-111 1-4: 25 AMX M4 51: 24 Conqueror: 24 E75: 24 Type 4 Heavy: 23 AMX 30: 23 (+1) Feels like a tier 10 med one tier lower, the AMX30B's meh penetration is actually alright at tier 9 which makes this a fun little package E50: 21 Skoda T50: 21 T95: 21 Leopard PTA: 21 Object 430: 21 STRV 103-0: 21 Object 263: 20 WT Auf Pz. IV: 20 Object 704: 20 Tortoise: 20 Mauschen: 20 T30: 20 50TP: 20 Standard B: 20 Centurion 7/1: 19 M46 Patton: 19 B-C 25t AP: 18 Jagdtiger: 18 AMX 13 90: 17 (-3) No matter how fun lights are to play, they are still lights and you have to be retarded not to see the handicap you have in a corridor meta, and they don't deserve to be high on this list (looking at you T49 *cough*) ST-I: 17 Object 257: 17 WZ-132A: 17 WZ-120: 17  Object 705: 17 WZ-111G FT: 15 Conway: 14 RU 251: 14 T54E1 : 12 Foch: 11 T-54 LW: 8 Type 61: 8 AMX 50 120: 8 VK 4502 (B): 6 -removed herobrine 
  21. 0 points
    Kolni

    Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

    It doesn’t matter how many are built. When talking about things as optimization you can’t judge on generalizations and absolutely not the average. That’s how you end up with really shitty minmaxing and at the top you’re now out of the loop. The example was more directed at Hamilton rather than Mercedes because he was still on top after the brand switch, and obviously you want him to spend some time with it for data that is useful. For a sample of WoT quality data I’d just put 50 minors without any sort of license on the F1 track and let them race it out. Everyone sucks a la WoT playerbase but the results give you absolutely no value in terms of how the car performs. You can’t look at average, they’re too bad. You can’t look at super unicums either, also too bad. If you want something seen in its true colours then the driver shouldn’t be part of the equation (and the gameplay needs to approach perfection) or you simply don’t get anything useful out of it. There are way too many factors to even bother with XVM->skill level->tank choice->deployment stuff dude. XVM isn’t doing you a single favour with this and is only presenting averages, that legit don’t matter because this 1 game isn’t the same one. How can you possibly assume things when you don’t take people doing stupid shit and out of character into account? You can’t. The only constant every battle will give you is your own choice of tank and what to do with it. Everybody else playing OP tanks matters less to me than me playing something bad. They are improving their general odds of winning by picking high WR tanks in their WR-area but those tanks aren’t the same everywhere and when those high WR avg tanks end up winning less than other tanks when crossing that skill treshold it the higher avg is not only now the worse tank, but it has always been. A tank is judged on its characteristics where a player has no influence, and not on tank performance from players because players have flaws and screw up literally a million times per game so that’s why the most objective PoV on the matter is simply putting the scope at the the place where mistakes are the least common. I’m done with this argument now, I’ve known that I’m right from the start but apparently it’s a concept too difficult because people don’t understand the positive sides of elitism or what it does when literally all top stats support it. A player averaging 509 avg dmg in his Leo 1 being a casual tanker on his free time not caring about performance is not a player worth using when evaluating the tank. He doesn’t understand the game, the tank, mechanics, maps, or anything the game has to offer. What possible information about the tank could this player give you? Absolutely nothing. A tanks true self is revealed the higher up the ladder you go. This really isn’t a difficult concept nor a new one at all. It’s how good games balance theirs and how you have healthy gameplay quality..