Praetor77

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  1. Praetor77

    ⟪WN8⟫ Development / Resources

    I´m almost done.
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    WN8 breakthrough

    Thanks for the suggestions everybody. I tried a variance approach but the results were underwhelming. I really didn´t like what came out of that, so I stuck to the two point system. However, of course anyone is free to experiment with such a solution and mybe come up with something better. Also, the normalized per-stat based as bezz suggests would defeat the purpouse of using WN9 in XVM which is the main goal.
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    WN8 breakthrough

    Anyone who would like to pick up the torch is more than welcome to, of course. I will be around these forums helping out when I can.
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    WN8 breakthrough

    The brand is WN. the number is the version. I am undecided as to what se should call this new version. If we use WN8 however, confusion could arise since a lot of things changed, albeit much less than from WN7 to WN8 for example. Also, as I said, this will probably be the final version, as my time to dedicate to this will quickly drop to 0 in a few months, and there are no serious improvements we can make without some SERIOUS man hours, and which data suggest will result in very mild, IMHO nonsignificant, improvement. So as of this new version (Wn8b, WN9, WNFinal, WN9Final as some people suggested) we are now mostly limited by lack of data on WG´s part, which probably isn´t going to change.
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    Ranking the tier 10 TD's, by Garbad

    Easier solution? Remove credit rewards for doing nothing/near nothing. Other people have suggested something similar before. The problem is "team rewards", where people get a piece of XP/creds from the team damage. If you average 1000 damage in a tier 10 you should be losing A LOT of credits. Currently, doing 1000 damage with a prem account and not shooting prem rounds will barely result in a credit loss. This needs to change. In turn, this coupled with a little more expensive prem shells should put the meta back on track, IMHO. I agree with Rexxie. 183 is at least an 8 in my book, probably more like 8.5. Same for E3, despite it´s lack of flexibility it can carry HARD on most maps.
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    WN8 breakthrough

    I only calculated rWINc to be able to use it for input into Eureqa and for calculating expected stats with the new method. It won´t be included in the formula. All the troubles I took to make the new rWINc is so that Eureqa has a better metric to correlate other stats to. No. The two linear formulas (0.1-1 expected stat, and 1-inf expected stat) join at 1 rSTAT. So the first formula is used for players with rSTATs up to 1 (exp1 stats), then the other formula is used. Welome back Crab! cWR works like a charm. Ill give you the formula later, it adjusts winrate according to tanks played and normalizes it. I have asked Mr. Noobmeter for an updated dataset with no reply. Nono. See above. WN9 is very, VERY similar to WN8. WR term will be removed though. Platooning is only a concern for using rWINc to adjust the WN8 formula using Eureqa and determining expected stats. o7
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    268 is shit now right?

    What flint said, plus the mantlet has a shell magnet.
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    WN8 breakthrough

    Yes, calculation is 100% automatic by now. I could do monthly updates without much of a hassle. R is awesome. It would be possible to make a neural net or svm machine, but symbolic regression (Eureqa) has big advantages. It can also be considered "machine learning", and I already know how to use it, so...
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    WN8 breakthrough

    Yeah, I am doing the simulations and the WN9 stuff in a parallel manner. The simulations are dang interesting. Will trickle in results as I get them. Probably start a new thread on that. The simulation is giving me a lot of info that allows me to interpret and analyze the WN9 data better, and gives me ideas, like the rWINc stuff, which worked like a charm. Also, despite the changes, WN9 will be pretty similar to WN8. Major changes: Using WR to predict expected stats through linear regression instead of tankWN8/accountWN8 as per Gryphon´s suggestion. Two expected values instead of one. Baseline now only applies to players between 0 rSTATs and 1 rSTAT. The exp1 rSTATs serve as the base level for players above those values. rSTAT= 2 is now for unicum level play instead of rSTATc = 1.5. WN9 transformed linearly into rWINc predicts 13.5 rWINc (63% wins solo) for the top 0.1% (superunicum players). This is for absolutely balanced tanks, since this is normalized by per-tank expected wins. More to come...
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    ⟪WN8⟫ Development / Resources

    IMHO, it´s not worth the huge amount of work that would entail. I just don´t have the time right now. I´m struggling as it is to finish WN9 (two value system) within a reasonable time constraint. Also, the samples would be tiny, and probably not large enough to build a solid model.
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    ⟪WN8⟫ Development / Resources

  12. Praetor77

    WN8 breakthrough

    This is partly spot on and partly off. I have been observing this "inflation" effect on the right hand side of the WN8 curve. Yes, platoons inflate WRs and cause skewing of the curve in Eureqa, with multiplication of terms allowing for fitting to those higher than expected WRs. You could call it "overfitting". However, I came up with a clever idea to eliminate this problem. What I did is first calculate a corrected WR, using the per-tank expected winrates for each tank. This returns a WR that is tank and tier independent. Once this is done, I simply did rWIN = (cWR - 49.5). This gives average players a rWIN of 0, bots an rWIN of about -7.5 and unicums an rWIN of about 10.5 (60-49.5). Lastly, my latest simulation analysis proves that an average player platooning with two other average players will have the exact same winrate as playing solo, while above average players get higher winrates and below average players will get lower than solo winrates. With this in mind, I calculated rWINc = rWIN*0.8. This manages to partially correct rWIN for the platoon effect. Whereby I assume (from simulation data) that in average, 20% of the difference between a player´s winrate and an average player (rWIN) is due to platooning. Once again, ON AVERAGE. This means platooning should affect Eureqa´s outcome much less than before. However, upon running Eureqa, interaction terms were still identified, and it is quite clear that restricting Eureqa to only linear terms makes the fit to rWINc much worse than when using interaction (multiplication) terms (top image is Eureqa´s fit constraining terms to be linear, with no interaction terms, while the second image is from an unrestricted analysis, which detects the same interaction terms already present in WN8, rDMG*rFRAG and rFRAG*rSPOT): That being said, the coefficients are smaller, and for this new formula and the 2-value system, the interaction terms are multiplied by smaller constants, giving unicums slightly decreased scores across the board.
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    WN8 breakthrough

    Exp values change, two tables, plus formula changes. So, I dunno, maybe calling it WN9 would be a good idea. And I honestly don´t foresee I will be able to dedicate as much time as I am now to WN development in the future, so WN9 might be the end of the road. Also, it´s a self-correcting system due to being able to perform easy and fast updates of exp tank table with a fully automated calculation, perhaps we could do it once per patch as I proposed before, or even monthly, since it is now much faster and effortless to calculate the exp values now.
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    ⟪WN8⟫ Development / Resources

    I really didn´t do an exhaustive analysis, because I really have better things to do with my time, I think Xelos is doing an in-depth analysis of the spotted damage data. Since historical spotted damage will never be available, I saw no sense in going into a detailed analysis for something that is never going to happen. I merely wanted to show that we are not missing out on that much due to not having spotted damage available (specially not for account-wide WN8 measurement). Also, as I said above, it´s a whole different picture for single-battle outcome prediction as opposed to account-wide measurement. 73% prediction power in single games for DMG alone translates to about +-2.75% WN8 winrate error, while adding kills, def and spots reduces that to +-1.84%. One could only speculate what spotting damage would reduce that to. Extrapolating, my guesstimate would be about +-1.4% to +-1.7%.