Masterpupil2

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6 minutes ago, Masterpupil2 said:

Not only am I saying that the parents and administration ARE the barrier I have to overcome, but I automatically assumed people from the forum FOR THE GAME already realized how much I could learn from going to Poland to play the game; I'm sorry I assumed incorrectly. 

Let me run down my classes for you and the connections that can be made between the trip and school: 

For chemistry, there's not too many applications there- and it's one of the only classes where that's true.

For gym, I play an e-SPORT; a very simple and obvious connection, and it's only enhanced by the fact that I play it professionally.

For English, I could easily do a video/essay about the entire experience, to give a view on how it was and to interest others into wanting to do something like what I do.

For Media Publications, there's another obvious connection in the fact that I use computers to advertise events, with this being one of the most advertised games (along with the event itself) out there- and I could easily learn about marketing just by talking to the employees of the company.

For math, I don't believe there are too many relations besides giving an example of the type of strategies we do, and using the same processes we use to figure out strategies as I do to figure out math problems.

For History, this has to be the most obvious connections, seeing as Warsaw was one of the most contested cities in all of Europe during world war 2, and I would easily be able to write an essay about going to one of the museums or labor camps there.

For Computer Applications, I shouldn't even have to bother explaining this one, but you want full explanations so I'll go ahead and say that I'm playing on computers every day, and I even built my own after being offered advice from a few people. The computer I built is the reason I am able to compete in gold league.

For Principles of Engineering, I could talk about the different types of architecture and the differences between America and Europe (I'll be in Germany for 3 hours due to a layover, so maybe I'll see buildings there).

You're mistaking complaining for pointing out the obvious. Like I said earlier, the parents and the school board are a huge problem in this situation, as this should be supported due to the simple fact that not many people my age have gone through this before. Not only that, but I'm not throwing my friend under the bus, I'm merely stating that he did not word it exactly how I would have; even though I still don't find it whiney or full of complaints like you do. I hope this fixed some of the problems you have with the petition, but again, the petition is not the main focus here- the main focus is just getting support from people around the world so I have an EASIER CHANCE with the school board.

Don't be butt-hurt. It is, of course, obvious that I don't understand or know what benefits you think you'd accrue by taking this trip or how this trip would correlate to your courses. This should be obvious as until your post just above, you hadn't stated those benefits or provided your course load. So don't pretend that either should have been obvious to readers. 

I like that you draw a correlation between gym, i.e., physical education, where you get physical activity and e-sports where participants in this video game sit on their asses...lolz. 

We'll disagree on the other presumed "connections" between this trip to participate in a video game competition and your coursework. My point was not to argue the connection, but to observe that you had failed in this thread and the petition on your behalf failed to present a cogent argument that, in part, should have addressed the presumed educational benefits. 

Really, though, you built a pc and now a course on computer applications is irrelevant? Viewing different architecture in another country provides you some idea of engineering principles? What...you don't get the differences between architecture and civil or mechanical engineering which is the difference between theoretical creativity and applying scientific and mathematical concepts to conceptual designs?  Please, please don't run these arguments in front of adults in your real life. 

Further, you also believe that the school and school district should support this absence from school because you'll be among the first to have  traveled to a video game competition? Are you kidding me? This is not a valid argument at all. It's a mercy plea, at best, and at worst reveals that you need not be missing any more school for video games. You're not even remotely unique among students missing extended periods of time from school and that's what this is. This is not about being a local video gaming maverick, it's about the appropriateness of a young boy missing yet more school and the impact of those absences on scholastic achievement. 

The problem here is not the school board. It is, of course, you. You want to miss school and do something else. You want the exception to the rules. Hence, you have to overcome the applicability of the rules. By doing so, you'll attract support. I am telling you why your "argument" here is not attractive for support. It lacks merit, it lacks coherence, and it lacks reason. 

Declaring that the school board is the problem and asking people to sign on to such an assertion in order to convince the school board to consider an exception to it's rules seems to be the dumbest thing you'd want to do. Why would the school board want to agree with you that they are the problem? Why would it be persuaded when the whole of your argument is rooted in an appeal for respect for video games and an unsubstantiated assertion (I'm referring to the supposed learning benefits in the petition for popular support) of learning benefits? 

The core of your position here is whining that the school board is a problem. Period. It is nothing more than that. You just repeated it yourself. 

The reason you are missing this is the same reason you're still in high school...you're a young, intellectually undeveloped and immature boy. That's not an insult, either. You're what? 16 or 17 years old? For goodness sakes, you equated physical fitness to sitting in front of a computer, man. You intellectually know that's an unreasonable argument, but you still made it...and if you don't see the unreasonableness therein then you're proving my basic point. 

Once you accept that the problem you have is you, then you'll be able to properly frame what you're trying to accomplish (that is gaining an exception to the rules) and formulate an argument for such an exception. But attacking  the school board as the problem and appealing to the school board as such and with popular support is just stupid. 

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Gotta be honest, I stopped reading after you disconnected the relationship between physical sports and e-sports. I've played football, soccer, and baseball for 7 years, basketball for 2, and wrestled for a year. Not only have I enjoyed esports more due to the fact that my team is good, but I also have gotten a lot more physical and mental stress from the game compared to my most recently played sport, football, where I started varsity as a freshman. If you can't make that connection, and refuse to make one, there's not much left for me to say on a forum like this, where there's literally people playing at insanely high levels all around you, and trust me, I'm far from butthurt after reading your  comments.

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7 minutes ago, Masterpupil2 said:

Gotta be honest, I stopped reading after you disconnected the relationship between physical sports and e-sports. 

Come on, man, you're in a forum full of folks who have e-sports experience. WoT is less physical than singing. Do you think the drama nerds would get out of PE with that argument? 

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31 minutes ago, JMak97008 said:

I like that you draw a correlation between gym, i.e., physical education, where you get physical activity and e-sports where participants in this video game sit on their asses...lolz. 

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The reason you are missing this is the same reason you're still in high school...you're a young, intellectually undeveloped and immature boy. That's not an insult, either. You're what? 16 or 17 years old? For goodness sakes, you equated physical fitness to sitting in front of a computer, man. You intellectually know that's an unreasonable argument, but you still made it...and if you don't see the unreasonableness therein then you're proving my basic point.

A lot of your argument holds water, but this bit in particular doesn't. Physical fitness is not the be-all and end-all of the sports component of education. Beyond the physical aspects (which can be satisfied with simple lifting and running) almost every competitive sport has an obvious overlap with E-Sports in terms of tactics, leadership, team composition and split-second decision making.

I'm not saying OP is right or wrong overall. Not my circus, not my monkeys - but if you're going to challenge his reasoning, your own should hold up to scrutiny.

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25 minutes ago, Masterpupil2 said:

Gotta be honest, I stopped reading after you disconnected the relationship between physical sports and e-sports. I've played football, soccer, and baseball for 7 years, basketball for 2, and wrestled for a year. Not only have I enjoyed esports more due to the fact that my team is good, but I also have gotten a lot more physical and mental stress from the game compared to my most recently played sport, football, where I started varsity as a freshman. If you can't make that connection, and refuse to make one, there's not much left for me to say on a forum like this, where there's literally people playing at insanely high levels all around you, and trust me, I'm far from butthurt after reading your  comments.

But, of course you stopped reading. There is zero connection between actual physical fitness and playing a video game. 

Really, though, you got more physical stress from sitting down in front of a pc than you did playing football? C'mon, man. I mean, look, this clearly demonstrates that you're not thinking at all. This reveals that you either don't know what physicality or stress is or that you've abandoned reason altogether.

You actually want people to believe that playing a video game on a pc while sitting down caused you more physical stress than playing football? Really? What the fuck? You're not that mentally and physically fragile, man...or are you?

This doesn't pass the smell test anymore. There is nothing more here than a whiny plea to go play video games.  

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19 minutes ago, Kilpanic said:

Come on, man, you're in a forum full of folks who have e-sports experience. WoT is less physical than singing. Do you think the drama nerds would get out of PE with that argument? 

 

3 minutes ago, woe2you said:

A lot of your argument holds water, but this bit in particular doesn't. Physical fitness is not the be-all and end-all of the sports component of education. Beyond the physical aspects (which can be satisfied with simple lifting and running) almost every competitive sport has an obvious overlap with E-Sports in terms of tactics, leadership, team composition and split-second decision making.

I'm not saying OP is right or wrong overall. Not my circus, not my monkeys - but if you're going to challenge his reasoning, your own should hold up to scrutiny.

Woe explained it better. I didn't want to say WoT is physical, but I get the same feeling of "fuck everything else, only this matters" when I play this game, which is the same feeling I had when playing football. 

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7 minutes ago, woe2you said:

A lot of your argument holds water, but this bit in particular doesn't. Physical fitness is not the be-all and end-all of the sports component of education. Beyond the physical aspects (which can be satisfied with simple lifting and running) almost every competitive sport has an obvious overlap with E-Sports in terms of tactics, leadership, team composition and split-second decision making.

I'm not saying OP is right or wrong overall. Not my circus, not my monkeys - but if you're going to challenge his reasoning, your own should hold up to scrutiny.

Fair point if I was saying that physical fitness was the end-all and be-all of physical education. I observed that it was silly to draw a correlation at all between "gym" and sitting at a pc playing a video game. That's hardly objectionable. As well, I used the phrase physical education because even if we expanded beyond just the immediate gym class he has and tried linking to the rest of a physical education curriculum, his association still fails as, avain, playing video games shares no attributes at all with physical education whether that's gym, nutrition, physiology, sex education, etc.

The attributes of teamwork, team composition, leadership are all more closely associated with sports, not with gym. 

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2 minutes ago, Masterpupil2 said:

 

Woe explained it better. I didn't want to say WoT is physical, but I get the same feeling of "fuck everything else, only this matters" when I play this game, which is the same feeling I had when playing football. 

Funny thing is, when you compare taking a shot in WOT to taking a shot on goal in footy (for example) the number of factors that can fuck you up through no fault of your own (condition of the pitch underfoot, surface of your boot/the ball, wind, physical fatigue, unexpected distractions to both yourself and the goalie)... I wouldn't be remotely surprised if it all compounded to somewhere close to the +/- 25% that everyone complains about. Not remotely relevant to the topic at hand, just something that occurred to me.

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7 minutes ago, Masterpupil2 said:

 

Woe explained it better. I didn't want to say WoT is physical, but I get the same feeling of "fuck everything else, only this matters" when I play this game, which is the same feeling I had when playing football. 

You didn't say WoT is physical. You did say that WoT as an e-sport should satisfy your gym requirement or, at least, that it associates closely with gym class which is just a stupid suggestion. 

You keep demonstrating why the school and school district shouldn't grant an exception to it's attendance rules. 

The sense of entitlement is strong with you. It spills out of every comment on this topic you make. The school, the school district, parents, fans... They're all the problem and an obstacle to what you want to do...skip school, again, to play video games.

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15 minutes ago, JMak97008 said:

You didn't say WoT is physical. You did say that WoT as an e-sport should satisfy your gym requirement or, at least, that it associates closely with gym class which is just a stupid suggestion. 

You keep demonstrating why the school and school district shouldn't grant an exception to it's attendance rules. 

The sense of entitlement is strong with you. It spills out of every comment on this topic you make. The school, the school district, parents, fans... They're all the problem and an obstacle to what you want to do...skip school, again, to play video games.

You know what? Thanks, I get it bro. I'm the egotistical problem of it all, and nothing I say to you can change the fact that you want to nitpick everything I say. You're extremely negative in literally every way possible, and it's pretty annoying at this point. Instead of constantly throwing indirect and absolute bullshit insults in which you're just repeating constantly in different forms, how about you tell me how to fix my problems? Thanks. 

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Wow, your school wants to stop you from experiencing the multicultural city of Warsaw. Your school board sounds bigoted.

 

*slip info to the local news station about how backwater your school is* :^)

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29 minutes ago, Masterpupil2 said:

You know what? Thanks, I get it bro. I'm the egotistical problem of it all, and nothing I say to you can change the fact that you want to nitpick everything I say. You're extremely negative in literally every way possible, and it's pretty annoying at this point. Instead of constantly throwing indirect and absolute bullshit insults in which you're just repeating constantly in different forms, how about you tell me how to fix my problems? Thanks. 

Lolz... Again, don't be butt-hurt. I can't fix your problem. I've already suggested how you could approach this and that was to drop the the-school-is-the-problem shtick and to address the rule and why there should be an exception for you. Own your attendance problem. Make it clear this is a unique opportunity. Enlist your teacher's support by asking them to acknowledge that you can make up the missed work and that your status as a student gives them confidence that you'll successfully make up the work. 

I'm the stay-the-fuck-off-my-lawn guy, so I don't see a reasonable basis for arguing that you should be excused from school and that the rule re: excessive absences ought to be ignored so you can go play a video game. 

There is literally nothing about this trip to Poland that would benefit your schooling no matter the tenuous connection you try to create between this trip and your courses. 

I'm curious why you're offended by my so-called "nit-picking"? If addressing what you've literally posted is nit-picking, well, guilty. But wtf else am I or anyone else going to address except for what you actually post? Again, deal with the actual criticisms leveled and stop the whining. 

Indirect insults? No, they were direct. And they weren't bullshit, either. Someone has to tell you this... You're the epitome of your spoiled gratification-now generation. It's why you firmly believe that the school and school board are the problem here or that the rules are the problem. There's nothing unreasonable about an excessive absence rule for students. For fuck's sake, you're in school for 9 months and you're missing more than a day a month. I guess employers who have sick leave policies are so unfair, too, right? 

I get that an expenses-paid trip to Poland is fucking awesome. I had two of those (to England and Germany) when I was a competitive runner in college and didn't want to miss them. But I had a perfect attendance record and pulling better than 3.8 gpa and my profs had no problem with me missing multiple classes and even an exam. 

I sorry that you find dissenting voices and opinions annoying (typical of your safe-space-needing generation), but you'll need to change that mindset quickly. 

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@Masterpupil2 

When you're in deathbed 80 years from now, you'll probably remember your life more than your career. Likewise, you'll probably find a deeper appreciation in sentimentalities later on in life when you go through the cycle of adulthood.

These are dubious claims since human perspective is subjective and very cliches but cliches like stereotypes prove to be truthful generalizations.

Speaking on opinion, you're in the wrong either way you go. You either let down your educators as I imagine you have great instructors or you let down your own interests of pursuit and grandeur which usually leads to the road of intellectual discovery and positive self-development.

My view is that if educators knew the whole perspective of your situation, they would wholeheartedly support you and I would too if I was a educator.

Rules are important to adhere to because they are [mostly] for the betterment of general society however one must realize his disposition and the consequence to his self-being I'd he does not break this rule. To follow rules and especially guidelines as regimentally as denying yourself such a potentially enriching experience sounds Orwellian.

Doing good and bad shouldn't be as black and white as it is. Public schools are pleh as it is and you'll probably LEARN more in Poland than what a teacher can read off a book and personal tales. That is the most important aspect to a sentimentalist like myself.

Your career is focused I presume and your abilities are not definded by what school you end up in but by the qualities of your unica-life skills, work ethic and passion. Good schools like MIT or Yale are nice but you should consider where you'll learn most from, pedantic and non-pedantic aspects aside. That is the most important thing in my opinion.

Hope this make sense. I won't sign your petition because life choices are not popularity contests but rational decisions with factors to weigh.

Coming from a Joisey Skool probably won't get help you with Uni admission anyway but documenting Poland in your entrance essay or whatever might. I'm probably wrong though with east coast education standards and the bureaucratic appr eciation of experience in favor of "diversity"

FYI because fuck it: This is a guy who flunked 4th year HS (I struggled A LOT in academics) to satisfy a girl's crush over me. I made the morally superior choice and I received "strawberry delight" in the whole deal. I'all remember that experience for life.

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Oh my, the comments on the petition site are priceless. 

Poor Ian is being punished by the school district. 

Poor Ian will be denied an "experience". 

Poor Ian will be stopped from starting his youtube/twitch career. 

This is Ian's passionate project. 

You have to be kidding me. This, people, perfectly reflects why academic achievement sucks in American schools today. "Experiences" are presumed to be more important than learning to read, write, and reason. "Passion projects", once the bain of overpaid egotistical actors/artists, are more valuable to a child's education than being in school and actually learning. 

Look at the so-called "adults" commenting on this petition...each of them are doing Ian a real disservice by indulging him this "opportunity" while completely ignoring why he's in this predicament. What utter bullshit... 

Lol... Now this has turned into a "dream" and, of course, you can't deny a child his right to a dream playing a video game... 

Casas, "To follow rules and especially guidelines as regimentally as denying yourself such a potentially enriching experience sounds Orwellian."

This is a child, Casas. And following rules even the rules prevent you from playing video games is not Orwellian. It's reasonable and logical to have children in school. 

You've improperly framed the issue here. It's not the rules holding him back. It's his attendance record. It's fairly annoying to see so many people ignore that this rule would not be an issue had young Ian not already reached the maximum number of absences. 

I remember missing a state champion's invitational track meet while in high school. Competing in and performing well would have greatly enhanced my scholarship opportunities. But I couldn't go because of school-related requirements. My parents were confident enough as were the other adults around me to remind me that school was more important. Hence, I find it absurd that you'd suggest he'd learn more on a one-week trip to Poland to play video games than he would school. 

If that were true, it's only because the adults have allowed the education system to crash and burn at the feet of every-kid-should-live-their-dream nonsense that is so prevalent these days. 

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1 hour ago, Kilpanic said:

Come on, man, you're in a forum full of folks who have e-sports experience. WoT is less physical than singing. Do you think the drama nerds would get out of PE with that argument? 

E-sports is still a sport, while it won't fit gym it's still a sport. Golf is a sport but you don't have to move for shit there either, yet it's widely accepted? You strike a ball once every 10 minutes and the only reason all those golfers look well is because of their image. Take media out of the picture and he'd look like a "stereotypical" gamer. Fat and lazy. Hell I'd argue the same thing with 8-ball and bowling too. There are sports that actually don't require you to exercise. The virtually non-existent movement you do there are hardly any more work than pressing a bunch of keys in a pattern while moving your arm. So what separates this from the other? Oh yeah a computer. THAT CHANGES THE WHOLE THING :doge: 

So I don't see why it isn't perfectly reasonable to assume that an E-sport should be treated like any other sport. You play to win, you do your best and you met people along the way. How is it separated from any other sport in terms of actual learning? 

I'd just go with your gut because having the cookie and eating it seems like a hard ball to catch right now. There's still a lesson learn here about not giving them reason to doubt you in the first place though

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29 minutes ago, JMak97008 said:

Oh my, the comments on the petition site are priceless. 

Poor Ian is being punished by the school district. 

Poor Ian will be denied an "experience". 

Poor Ian will be stopped from starting his youtube/twitch career. 

This is Ian's passionate project. 

You have to be kidding me. This, people, perfectly reflects why academic achievement sucks in American schools today. "Experiences" are presumed to be more important than learning to read, write, and reason. "Passion projects", once the bain of overpaid egotistical actors/artists, are more valuable to a child's education than being in school and actually learning. 

Look at the so-called "adults" commenting on this petition...each of them are doing Ian a real disservice by indulging him this "opportunity" while completely ignoring why he's in this predicament. What utter bullshit... 

Lol... Now this has turned into a "dream" and, of course, you can't deny a child his right to a dream playing a video game...

1) The people of The Counter Culture (or hippies) to Gen X'ers had both the experience and education to influence American society for the better (hippies lost us yet saved us from Vietnam/useless wars) (Gen X'ERS [or a previous generation] are responsible for the technological era half of the world lives within today) Even the generation atititudes during WW2 was based on life experience (self reliance) rather than education.

2) Guy had a dilemma, we gave answers according to our beliefs and frames of experiemce. From what I see, this because a ethical thing for you. We should just consider what is best in OP's interest, not really is best for the world because this isn't a political thread.

 

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1 minute ago, Casas5591 said:

 

 

 

1) The people of The Counter Culture (or hippies) to Gen X'ers had both the experience and education to influence American society for the better (hippies lost us yet saved us from Vietnam/useless wars) (Gen X'ERS [or a previous generation] are responsible for the technological era half of the world lives within today) Even the generation atititudes during WW2 was based on life experience (self reliance) rather than education.

 

yo, the quotes are bugged m8

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Lolz, making fun of golf, pool, and bowling is not an argument for e-sports being a "sport". It is funny reasoning for why golf, pool, and bowling are not sports, though you'd have to find to someone who actually classifies those leisure activities as a sport first. 

It's interesting that you didn't compare e-sports to activities that clearly are sports, e.g., football, baseball, track?

 

 

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You sure are from the NA server, mate? Golf is definitely considered a sport in High School.

School district>person on internet

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Just now, hiipanda said:

You sure are from the NA server, mate? Golf is definitely considered a sport in High School.

School district>person on internet

Fair point. School districts also treat cheerleading and bowling as sports, too. 

I'm neither here or there on the whole e-sport vs sport argument, if there is an argument. I was curious why he didn't compare e-sports to clearly recognized sports. 

Keep in mind that the original point made by Ian was that since tanky-tanks is an e-sport that this trip would address his gym class requirement. That's nonsense, but when you (not yoy personally) can't reason your way into an argument, you have to make unreasonable arguments. 

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One of the reasons golf gets a boost in being called a sport is the all of the skill needed to hit the ball in just the right way. The other reason is that they have to walk the course and not use golf carts.

 

He should come up with an map of Warsaw and a list of historical locations and museums that he would visit by walking. The act of walking bursts of exercise from walking will turn it into an academic form of golf.

On the gym aspect he could make the case that gym is physical activity and learning the rules of various games and sports. He could combine the walking aspect of visiting the museums with the a write up on the e-sport scene for the gym credit.

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1 minute ago, hiipanda said:

He should come up with an map of Warsaw and a list of historical locations and museums that he would hit by walking.it would be comparable to  golf in the high skill when hitting the ball with the long bursts of carrying the clubs in between. In this case it would be an long bursts of walking in between exploring historic Warsaw. The physical aspect of gym would be met by all the walking it would require in between learning from all the places he visited. It would be like a educational version of golf.

....i'll have to admit you lost me here. Wut? :wut:

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