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Rating the Premium Tanks (Tiers 5 through 8)

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3 minutes ago, HemanathanRX7 said:

Not sure for other servers but APAC gets them every year during WGL Finals, both of them will somehow turn up.

Iirc for other servers i have seen announcements of sales as well, they don't come very often but they do come out for big events like WG anniversary maybe? Can't really remember because i bought mine both during WGL finals.

OH yeah, if the 41-90 is ever on sale again, it goes on the Buy list

 

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On 8.11.2016 at 3:15 PM, Rexxie said:

Is the 34-85M that similar to the 34-85?

Imho the bad gun breaks it. A bit better armor for noteable worse agility is already questionable but putting that gun on top makes it really bad.

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Lowe

  • Gun depression buffed to -10 from -8
  • Increased LGP, UGP and turret armour
  • Side armour at the bottom increased to 100mm

FV4202

  • Top speed increased to 40 km/h from 35 km/h
  • Vehicle profitability increased by 10% (dem expensive 20 pdr shells)

STA-2

  • Top speed increased to 55 km/h from 45 km/h
  • Engine replaced with STA-1 top engine (buffed to 570 hp from 500, hp/t increased to 16.76 from 14.71)

M4A1 Revalorise (oh boy)

  • Dispersion on hull traverse buffed to 0.16 from 0.18 (11% buff)
  • Dispersion on turret traverse buffed to 0.13 from 0.16 (19% buff)
  • Accuracy buffed to 0.35 from 0.36
  • Aim time reduced to 2.4s from 2.8s
  • Engine power increased to 550 hp from 460 hp (hp/t increased to 15.71 from 13.14)
  • Gun depression buffed to -10 from -7

Panther 88

  • Hull traverse buffed to 40 degrees per second from 38 degrees per second
  • Engine power increased to 700 hp from 600 hp (hp/t increased to 15.05 from 12.9)

WZ-11111

  • Dispersion on hull traverse and on the move buffed to 0.2 from 0.23 (13% buff)
  • Dispersion on turret traverse buffed to 0.12 from 0.14 (14% buff)
  • Accuracy buffed to 0.44 from 0.46
  • Aim time reduced to 3 seconds from 3.4 seconds
  • Engine power increased to 600 hp from 520 hp (hp/t increased to 13.48 from 11.69, apart from slightly worse terrain resistances, this engine buff puts the WZ-111 on par with the WZ-111 1-4 in terms of mobility)
  • Turret and LGP armour buff

If these buffs go live, there shall be changes to the list

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Will have to see how many of the buffs make it to live, but as-is the Lowe will be a very strong tank. Surprised to see nothing for the T34 or CDC, honestly. The WZ-111 needed some help, but it's hardly worse than a CDC.

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Yeah, the Lowe will have the armor to more effectively brawl, even if its DPM is poor. The WZ111 and M4R's changes certainly move them up at least one 'group', if not two in the case of the M4R.

Id love to see mobility changes for the T34 along with gun handling, eve if its DPM remains poor. The CDC, theres not really much they could change without completely re-doing the tank IMO

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Any chance of putting out a version of this list based on player ability?  I know some tanks can be beasts in the hands of really good players but quite difficult for mortals (e.g. M41 90 because, you know, scouting, I might even put the Skorpion G in this category, guessing).

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17 minutes ago, Tanager said:

Any chance of putting out a version of this list based on player ability?  I know some tanks can be beasts in the hands of really good players but quite difficult for mortals (e.g. M41 90 because, you know, scouting, I might even put the Skorpion G in this category, guessing).

I tried to take that into account when making this list

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The list would look more like this for me:

Tier 8

Great
IS-6
Skorpion G
Pz 58 Mutz
FCM 50t

Good
112
T-54 mod.1
KV-5
STA-2
T34
IS-3A

Ok
T26E4
T-34-3
Panther 8.8
M46 KR
CDC

Rubbish
Jagdtiger 8.8
ISU-130
FV4202
Kanonenjagdpanzer
Löwe


As I said it is very much a matter of personal preference, no matter the skill level.
I would choose the FCM 50t over any of them, someone else may love his Jagdtiger 8.8 to death.

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1 hour ago, Super_Rybak said:

The list would look more like this for me:

Tier 8

Great
IS-6
Skorpion G
Pz 58 Mutz
FCM 50t

Good
112
T-54 mod.1
KV-5
STA-2
T34
IS-3A

Ok
T26E4
T-34-3
Panther 8.8
M46 KR
CDC

Rubbish
Jagdtiger 8.8
ISU-130
FV4202
Kanonenjagdpanzer
Löwe


As I said it is very much a matter of personal preference, no matter the skill level.
I would choose the FCM 50t over any of them, someone else may love his Jagdtiger 8.8 to death.

112 is literally the chinese is-6 with a less accurate gun but better armor

wz111 is also getting buffed to similar OP levels.

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20 hours ago, HemanathanRX7 said:

112 is literally the chinese is-6 with a less accurate gun but better armor

wz111 is also getting buffed to similar OP levels.

And many of these buffs just make the FCM 50t even worse

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May I ask why the Strv Alt A2 is in the must buy section?  It didn't seem like it was Rudy/Crom B tier good from your review of it in the Strv Alt A2's thread in the vehicles forum, but that may be because my view on the game is outdated.

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5 hours ago, Spyshadow01 said:

May I ask why the Strv Alt A2 is in the must buy section?  It didn't seem like it was Rudy/Crom B tier good from your review of it in the Strv Alt A2's thread in the vehicles forum, but that may be because my view on the game is outdated.

It's still an excellent tank and trains a crew exceptionally fast. Its a unique and applicable play-style for higher tier Auto-loaders as well. Plus, its cheap. Its like saying sure, the T32 isnt as good as the IS3, or the STI isn't as good as either the E75 or T-10. Its still a damn good tank

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On 8.11.2016 at 3:15 PM, Rexxie said:

Is the 34-85M that similar to the 34-85? I would of assumed the low pen gun and extra 50mm of effective hull armor makes them drive differently. The E8 is superior to the E2, but it doesn't mean there's no reason to get an E2. It's a different experience, even if you want to use the E8's turret on it. Is the T-34-85M not in a similar position?

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/462875-garbad-reviews-the-t-34-85m/

It is quite different, yes. Gun is weaker, it is the up-armoured Type 58 basically...but still rather good tank. Not in the 34-85 or Crommie/B cathegory, but better than the generic Germans, China copycats, and most tier 6 premiums, anyway.

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I'm considering the Super Pershing this weekend since it is on sale (15% off).

Does anyone recall the last time Tier 8 was over 15% off?  I know I picked up the SU100Y and the SU12244 for 50% off (but I have never seen that again).

Does anyone have a breakdown of the Xmas time sales for the last couple years?  

I found a couple real quickly, can't seem to find 2015

2012 - (LOL 58% off Premium Ammo )

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Bonus to Crew Experience: 2x

Up to a 58% discount on Premium Shells

10% gold discount on Premium accounts:

1 year (360 days) for 21,600

6 months (180 days) for 12,150

15% gold discount on the following Premium vehicles:

T34

Lowe

IS-6

T26E4 SuperPershing

8.8 cm Pak 43 JagdTiger

25% credit discount on the following vehicles:

All Tanks and Tank Destroyers tiers III-VII

All SPGs tiers II-VI

2013

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 3x Crew XP

 Up to 50% Credit Discount on Tier II-V Non-premium Vehicles

 Up to 30% Credit Discount on Tier VI and VII Non-premium Vehicles

 30% Credit Earnings Increase on Tier VI and VII Non-premium Vehicles

 Up to 15% Credit Discount on Tier VIII Non-premium Vehicles

 Up to 50% Discount on Tier II-IV Premium Vehicles

 Up to 30% Discount on Tier V-VII Premium Vehicles

 Up to 50% Gold and Credit Discount on Crew Training

 Up to 50% Gold and Credit Discount on Crew Skill Reset

 Up to 50% Gold and Credit Discount on Consumables

 Up to 50% Gold Discount on Barracks Expansion

2014

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Start Date: Thursday, November 27, 03:00 PST / 11:00 UTC
End Date: Monday, December 1, 03:00 PST / 11:00 UTC

Missions | Premium Bundles

Bonuses & Discounts
x5.pngFirst Victory of the Day
x5 Experience
equipment.pngEquipment
50% Credit Discount
consumables.pngConsumables
50% Gold & Credit Discount
premium_tanks.pngPremium Vehicles
Tier VIII: 15% Gold Discount
premium_tanks.pngPremium Vehicles
Tier VI - VII: 30% Gold Discount
premium_tanks.pngPremium Vehicles
Tier II - V: 50% Gold Discount
premium_account.pngPremium Time
180 Days - 11,475

360 Days - 20,400
credit_tanks.pngRegular Vehicles
Tier IX -X: 15% Credit Discount
hangar_slots.pngGarage Slot
50% Gold Discount
crew_training.pngCrew (Re)Training
50% Gold & Credit Discount
gold_credit_rate.pngSkill Reset
50% Gold & Credit Discount

2015 ???  - Were these the only discounts last year?

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Event Starts Thursday, November 26 03:20 PT / 06:20 ET
Ends Tuesday, December 1 03:20 PT / 06:20 ET

 

Daily First Victories

xpiconbig.pngx3 XPxpiconbig.png

equipment.pngEquipment

50% Off

Credits Price

Free XP Conv. Bonusxpiconbig.png

1= 35 XP

 

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15 hours ago, NightmareMk9 said:

I'm considering the Super Pershing this weekend since it is on sale (15% off).

If you have the extra money jump for the T26E5. It just feels like a better tank all-around. The only downside I can think of is that the T26E5 doesn't get prem MM.

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Matilda BP that high? Wat? Why? Sounds like totally no-no for me, heavy mobility, medium's turret and gun, muh muh much fun... Why its in same tier with Church 3 when its completely worse than it at everything apart from depression?

Also E25 should be removed because it will NEVER EVER become to sale again.

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For NA server I feel like 15% T8 Discounts happen around 3 times each year, coinciding with the various anniversaries, Christmas and to a lesser extent some holidays.

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18 hours ago, NightmareMk9 said:

Does anyone have a breakdown of the Xmas time sales for the last couple years?  

I found a couple real quickly, can't seem to find 2015

 

Advent Calendar 2015;

Hidden code 30,500gold costs £70.38 £1 buys 433 gold 1g=£0.0023            
  Date Name Tier garage slot? Nation added gold? Premium time? WG price True Value Discount
  01.12.2015 T-28E F-30 iv yes one USSR 1,000 no £7.03 £6.09 No
  02.12.15 Light Mk.VIC,T7 Combat Car,Pz.Kpfw. II Ausf. D,LTP, & Tetrarch 4 x ii, 1 x iii yes five mixed 150 no £14.05 16.27 13.64%
  03.12.15  T-34-85 Rudy - PLUS CREW! vi yes one USSR 1,650 no £14.11 13.79 crew
AXTH 04.12.15 Type 62 vii yes one China 5,500 no £27.07 £31.12 13.01%
  05.12.15 BTV                
  06.12.15 LeFH v arty yes one French 5,750 30 days 21.62 £23.36 7.40%
  07.12.15 T34, egld, rammer, Vert Stab VIII Heavy yes one American          
  08.12.15 A45 FV201 VII Heavy yes one British          
  09.12.15 AMX CDC, egld, rammer, Vert Stab VIII medium yes one French 500 no £21.69    
  10.12.15 Pzkw II Aus J III light yes one German 30,500   £72.57    
GH12 11.12.15 KV-220-2 V heavy yes one USSR 6,500   £21.70    
  12.12.15 Sexton III Arty yes one UK 1,450 30 days £14.44    
  13.12.15 M56 Scorpion VII TD yes one USA 5,800   £28.89    
  14.12.15 no no no no no 360 days £49.36   15%
  15.12.15 KV-5 VIII heavy yes one USSR 3,450 no      
  16.12.15 IS2 Berlin - PLUS CREW VII heavy yes USSR 2,700   £21.78    
  17.12.15 59-Patton VIII medium yes chinese 3,750 no £29.10    
BN15 18.12.15 Jadgtiger 8.8 VIII td yes one german          
  19.12.15 WZ-111 VIII heavy yes one chinese     £32.70    
  20.12.15 AMX 13 57 VII light yes one France 3,000   £21.89    
  21.12.15 IS3-A VIII heavy yes one USSR 3,000   £36.49    
  22.12.15 ISU-122S - PLUS CREW! VII td yes one USSR 2,550 3 days £21.90    
  23.12.15 Cromwell B - PLUS CREW! VI medium yes one UK 3350 no £19.12    
MASA 24.12.15 M48 Patton KR VIII medium yes one USA no no £23.91    

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I used in game gold for the Super Pershing, so not picking up the T26E5.

I played 1 game in the rental and lost.  The pen on the gun seemed weak, but it was a Tier 10 game.  Also the crew doesn't match the Tier 10 heavies, so I can't run my female crew without losing SoS.

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@NightmareMk9 Freedomtank buys its way out of T10 binds by flinging prem and still makes credits.

Though yeah, I agree that not being able to run my female E5 crew in it is a bummer. I have my 4 skill T32 crew that lets me enjoy freedoming the shit out of stuff.

 

I bought the Ravioli looking forward to the buffs.. decided to hold off on the P88 and Lowe to see how the buffs work on them. I really want them but hated the P88 as-is when it was on rental.

The lowe has the same problem as the failowe with that turret bump on the hull(though less prominent) I always just shoot the bump when they scrape, -10 depression should be nice.. it will be hell getting up to the ridge though so... sLowe :doge:

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I'm an average player at best and I agree with many points on the FCM falling behind. I purchased it last Christmas during the sale and it was a good tank for me. Lately though I can't seem to use the outstanding mobility and vision with the city map rotations. I'm sure a better player could use it more effectively. It's a good tank but as soon as body is exposed you're toast. It's been frustrating and making me rage lately.

Until I got the T26E5 from this past weekend. I disliked having to pay cash for the T26E5 but it is much much better than FCM. The turret is trollish, the gun handling is good and the 230 pen shot is effective against Tier 10 medium fronts where the FCM would bounce. The T26E5 is a bit slower but otherwise is superior to the FCM outside of limited MM. When I can survive in Tier 10 matches, however,  the T26E5 makes ungodly amount of money. One on one against a equally skilled player with an IS3 I believe the T26E5 can come out on top (can reliably pen IS3 and almost 2 shots for every BL9 shot) wheras the FCM is going to fail to penetrate the IS3 at least one shot.

For those who haven't played it watch Sela's first match in it: https://www.twitch.tv/selawot/v/100905306

The usual amount mouth breathers but holy crap what a hard carry.

I would also say the Skoda T40 a bit underrated. Very comfortable tank to play at Tier 6, but not to the level of the OP Cromwell B.

And finally for my play ability the SU-100Y is an absolute shit tank. Good gun, but no armor, can't hide and poor depression. So awkward. It needs a turret like the Conway. Worst pay premium TD out there. SU-122-44 much better and even Dicker Max a better TD.

 

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Churchill 3 for the price would have to be one of the best value prems in the game, trollish mid tier seal clubber with a turret buzz saw for a gun, that pens well and fires faster than an auto loader without the wait for clip reload.

 With BIA, vents and rammer Im at 1.76 seconds from memory, 3 in a platoon is relentless and it makes a great partner to the more rare kv220 which should be in the must buy section if you want to roll through the ht missions effort free.

T54 prototype is a new buy for me and it seems a great machine if a little underwhelming at tier  10.

I have the Rudy and the M type, yes the M is not as good but agreed if its on sale worth a grab, the Strad is a great tank if your a great autoloader player.

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Pity the poor Panther/M10

I found it a bit quirky, and not too bad. Sure, it's slow, but it's got armour that  can work (especially since it only sees tier 6-8) and a gun that's not too shabby.

True, it's slow as a dog, but in all it's not super shit. It's just ALL the other tier 7 Prem's are better in certain WATS that leave it behind.

At least it's HD model is pretty...

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I'm much rather playing my FCM than my CDC in current meta. Also T14 has pref MM, which makes it actually quite decent tier 5 premium, you'll have to shoot a lot of gold though. T 34-85M is flat out horrible, DON'T buy it, I think I'll sell mine, now that I got 44-100 for crew training.

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