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UDES 03 - What is a one trick pony?

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150ish games solo, managed a lousy 59% w/r and 2450 dpg.  Overall, you either rekt everyone on the opposing team or you get rekt yourself.  The key to the tank is very good map awareness and playing perfect vision games.  I

 

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How was your guys MM with this? Mine in a nutshell:
>Himmels T10
>Ensk
>Red Shire
> Ruinberg
>Sacred valley
> Himmels

 

Like what the fuck is this even.

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6 hours ago, Siimcy said:

How was your guys MM with this? Mine in a nutshell:
>Himmels T10
>Ensk
>Red Shire
> Ruinberg
>Sacred valley
> Himmels

 

Like what the fuck is this even.

That sounds like the MM I get whenever I attempt LT missions. With LT-15.2, for example, I kept track and played 99 straight games without getting Prokhorovka. On my 100th battle, I got Prok and did the mission easily. It made me want to invest in tin foil.

Otherwise, I've found Erlenberg to be an extremely good map for the UDES. Steppes--while definitely better than the city maps--is not as easy as I would have thought. There aren't as many opportunities for camo-sniping from higher ground.

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1 hour ago, monjardin said:

That sounds like the MM I get whenever I attempt LT missions. With LT-15.2, for example, I kept track and played 99 straight games without getting Prokhorovka. On my 100th battle, I got Prok and did the mission easily. It made me want to invest in tin foil.

Otherwise, I've found Erlenberg to be an extremely good map for the UDES. Steppes--while definitely better than the city maps--is not as easy as I would have thought. There aren't as many opportunities for camo-sniping from higher ground.

Believe it or not, in my 102 or so games I did in this tank not a single one was in Erlenberg, not a single one. NotLikeThis

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1 hour ago, Siimcy said:

Believe it or not, in my 102 or so games I did in this tank not a single one was in Erlenberg, not a single one. NotLikeThis

Give wg more money, you'll get better mm.  ^_^

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4 hours ago, TheDivision said:

Give wg more money, you'll get better mm.  ^_^

My MM with it was truly trash and I'm not even kidding. Well, onto the T9, at least it can only get better from here on. :)

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On 1/13/2017 at 1:35 PM, Siimcy said:

Believe it or not, in my 102 or so games I did in this tank not a single one was in Erlenberg, not a single one. NotLikeThis

Well, you missed out. May your 103 grind be blessed with many of these.

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Yeah... So, my UDES 03 solopub win rate is not at 62% anymore. :feelsbad:

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The inability to push is SO FRUSTRATING! I don't normally rage at pubbies, since I can usually just go do things myself, but in the Udes? I'm about to turn into one of those guys that shoots scouts that are hiding next to me instead of scouting for me. "Light them for me and I will kill them for you, you cowardly oxygen-thief!" I can tell you with high certainty the type of game I'm going to have as soon as I see the map and the team comp. Maybe I should see the Udes as a Zen test, requiring acceptance of the way the game will be...

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Tried this out on the test server as the retard I usually am, with zero prior TD experience

It's fairly comfy to play but I can't win in it for shit. Had a 3.6k dmg game with 3k spotting, then got spotted and died instantly.

If you have binocs, camo net, food and a good crew, this is some next-level chai-sniping redline camping invisitank cheater HACKER!!! machine (assuming you, unlike me, know where to go). You can even take advance positions like lake bushes on Serene Coast and farm assisteds.

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I'm currently sitting at 140+ games in the UDES with a little over 60% WR and 2k WN8. True that in the past I severely hated this tank due to its almost complete inability to make offensive moves (my experience: attempted to 'mop-up' a winning game, ran into an enemy Chaffee at close range and subsequently died from full health) and my early WR suffered for this, But the tank itself has a unique playstyle and combination of traits that, IMHO, contributes positively to the winning chances of the team. 
 
First off, this thing can SCOUT. It has the Camo-On-The-Move and top speed/acceleration similar to the infamous E25 and the lower range of Light Tanks. If the map or situation does not allow you to play passively or engage the enemy safely, this is a part-time job you can take. Once, I assclenched when I spotted an enemy E50 in cover at a little over 350m while in the open and on the move. Only when he started blindshooting the bushes around me then I realized I wasn't actually spotted. The two things you need to make up for is the UDES's TD-like low turnrate and spotting range. For turnrate, my only advice is to turn well in advance or use the handbrake if you dont mind bleeding speed. For spotting range, I would first do a cautious loop or poke first to see if 6th goes off, if it doesn't then I settle down and let Binos do its work (I don't run Optics, but it is a possible setup).
 
The Camo also lets you engage at much closer ranges than a typical Sniper TD without getting seen, sometimes even self-spot, and you have the speeds to take and abuse advantageous positions provided you dont run into enemy lights or meds in which case you are buggered. I run Camo Net to help with this. Also, a basic Camo/TD skill that I never cared about until I got to this tank is to wait for 2 seconds after coming to a complete stop before attempting to invisitank shoot, because the transition from 'moving camo' to 'stationary camo' is the same conditions and delay as binos or net kicking in, if you have either equipped just wait for the sound of them activating before shooting to be sure.
 
Speaking of advantageous positions. You can mountain goat with this thing due to its acceleration and top speed. If you have that kind of map knowledge then this tank with its L7A1, -12(?) degrees of depression and camo you can wreck merry havoc from above.
 
Another tip with this and the next two TDs is to go into travel mode immediately after shooting, this is so that if 6th triggers you can immediately back away at 40 km/h. The substantial reload time is enough for you to set up again for the next shot regardless if you're not spotted.
 
If you absolutely must engage enemies that will see you before you shoot or will see you after you shoot, your most favorable circumstance would be shooting down under cover from high ground. The best way to do this is starting from being fully in cover is step:
1. Enter siege mode and force your ass up to maximum by aiming at the ground, 
2. Auto aim the target, 
3. Inch up the last few feet until only the raised gun and butt of your tank is visible to the enemy, 
4. Let auto aim snap to the target, 
5. Fire and autopen because you have 288/330 pen as a T8, 
6. Hit travel mode so your butt lowers itself out of sight faster than you can reverse in siege mode,
7. Back down just a little bit so you can perform step 1 without being seen,
8. Repeat.
This entire cycle can be completed in slightly less than your reload time so you don't lose DPM. If you want, you can delay the cycle slightly so you recloak before the next shot.
 
Final note: The tank gains a little bit of depression while moving forward in travel mode. If you must perform the ELC European Lancer Charge, don't stop to aim unless your piece of ground slopes downwards because 1. The gun will jerk upwards when coming to a stop, and 2. No telling that even flat ground can give you enough depression.
 
Rating: Permanent addition to garage for pubs with non girl crew.

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This tank is delightfully stupid to play. Camo is absurd (running Rammer, Bino, Net... tempted to go w/ vents over rammer just cause) and lets you do some stupid shit right up to about 350m or so. Im... having fun, having completed half of the grind in just two days. Hell, I have the Obj 416, Emil I which I bought MONTHS ago and have less EXP saved up on their tanks for the next.

Its a camo sniping bitch of a tank that lends itself to some stupid shit you shouldn't be getting away with but do

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On 3/18/2017 at 1:25 PM, TheMarine0341 said:

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http://wotreplays.eu/site/3438281#redshire-marine-udes_03

I doth enjoyeth this tank. 119 battles, 58.82% WR, 2279 DPG. Really dont feel that MM makes or breaks this tank, just the map rotations. If you get into a good map rotation, you'll farm for years

I gotta say, I'm having a lot of fun in it, too. Map rotation can bum ya out, and in general it carries like wet cardboard, but gosh darn it, it's a heck of a lot of fun to camo rape people. 

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Finished 150 battles in the Udes, will be about #15 overall for NA DPG once its updated :D Finished the grind at about 100 battles, but its been stupidly easy to shit out TD Missions and daily missions in that thing, Ive just kept playing it

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Picked this thing up yesterday, but ran into a problem with the crew. I plan on keeping this tank along with the tier 10, and so I was planning to put the "grind" crew in the tier 8, and the female crew in the tier 10 after grinding the tier 9 with them. But since the UDES requires a radio operator, I can't use my loader from the Ikv... So I either use 500 gold from when 9.18 comes out and I get gold from the camo I had on the 13 90 to retrain the Ivk loader to a radio operator, or I use a brand new 75% crew member... The loader from the Ikv is at 100% camo, just starting the second perk. If gold wasn't a problem, it'd be an obvious choice, but I usually never have much gold, so I want to know other players' opinions.

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This TD is so OP compared to the IKV 90b, lol...

Its indeed a one tricky pony, but its atleast good in its one trick, so far i guess this grind is gonna be doable (i expect very fustrating games with 2 hits and dead, but also games you can sit and paw paw half a team)

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I used the 500 gold to retrain one of the female crew and left one sitting in the barracks, bit of a waste but what can ya do. I definitely didn't plan on keeping any of the Swedish TD's I'd grinded below the UDES, and I'll probably sell that too since I've got the Strv S1 and will be aiming to have just that and the tier 10.

Otherwise my experience of siege mode vehicles has been interesting. I've had to play far more timid and patiently than I'm used to, I find it frustrating that you can't poke because of the speed in siege mode and the lack of armour (Strv S1 vs 90mil and below guns is usually fine, UDES dies to a wet fart) so city fights are pretty quickly in favour of the other player, and the UDES takes damage so damn quickly from desperate shots that wouldn't pen most tanks.

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udes is a great tank, 1600 games now and i would never ever sell it, even at gun point :D some days with it are not so good, but the days when its good tank, it really shines. havent really played much after the patch but if the map randomness works, then it should be super sweet to play, and finally get those MoE's.

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This tank is so akward to play.. I'm fighting the tank to point in the correct direction.. It's just a pain right now. Will see on the long run, but right now it's just really hard to play and do anything. I feel like the only viable tactic is let stupid people walk in front of your gun so.. 

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When I try to play the game, take some unusual spot, move forward, try to support best heavy tank (and etc.) I die horribly, maybe dealing 2 shot worth of damage.

When I camp at the base like a noob I deal handsome damage but boring af.

 

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Since the gun is not fixed something I noticed that is akward is that when you need to aim down it take a long time to point the tank down. This is why now each time that I want to setup somewhere I aim all the way down to get the rear up all the way them my movement are much easier since I don’t need to move the chassis up and down now, but only the gun.

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I found the stock grind to be pure agony... I averaged 1191 dpg at the end of that 63 battle stock grind.... worse than I do on tier 6s.

 

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EDIT: strv103 unlocked

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The tank is pretty fun once elite. Not as good at winning solopubs as charioteer, but notably better at farming damage on open maps.

My advice for this tank... save up free exp to at least get the gun to save yourself a lot of agony.

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