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29 minutes ago, Kitten said:

Unfortunately no details about the actual testbed in the article, outside a comment by the author saying the mobo was an ASUS B350 PRIME PLUS :/

 

Soon (as per report above) we can expect more tests, also better boards, better OC... Fact that XDR+ is implemented and will bust X cpus even more is really assuring they easily hit 4GHz and above. 

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AMD Ryzen 7 1800X for 628 EUR

Belgian online retailer has already started taking preorders for Ryzen CPUs. interestingly there are two SKUs for each Ryzen 7 CPU, which could mean that they will be offered with and without coolers, however, the listing does not really explain the difference, so it’s just my educated guess. What’s also interesting is a lack of any Ryzen 5 or Ryzen 3 SKUs. This could mean that at launch only Ryzen 7 will be available, with 5 and 3 coming later.

The retailer also revealed that all SKUs listed below will be in stock on February 28th. Is there any connection to Capsaicin event taking place on the same day? I guess we will find out very soon.

 
 

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Some news being leaked that AMD might have created a per-core overclocking utility for Ryzen. Some more unconfirmed news from a Korean site (unconfirmed because I can't access it :/ ) that there's no Cold Bug in Ryzen... Not that that really affects us here :P more interestingly, there appears to be some kind of PRO version alongside some of the non-X versions that are priced slightly lower. Official name of the processors sold without the CPU coolers?

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11 hours ago, Kitten said:

Some news being leaked that AMD might have created a per-core overclocking utility for Ryzen. Some more unconfirmed news from a Korean site (unconfirmed because I can't access it :/ ) that there's no Cold Bug in Ryzen... Not that that really affects us here :P more interestingly, there appears to be some kind of PRO version alongside some of the non-X versions that are priced slightly lower. Official name of the processors sold without the CPU coolers?

 

Bring the LN2 :triggered:

3 hours ago, Clogman said:

I hope i can use my I80 cooler with some new fittings on this baby

I don't know how much AMD will gamble with "new" everything, probably with adapter will work.

 

I'm more interested in XDR+ certified cooler, and what are requirements for XDR+. 

 

I thought about 4790K upgrade when i fucked up delidd, but this year this might be a thing. 8/16 @ 4GHz and 32GB DDR4. 

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looks a little bit too good or this particular benchmark is ZENs favorite. Added my 3570K @ 4.4 GHz and the 5830K (Haswell) to the mix as a reference.

http://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/02/17/amd_ryzen_6_core_4_benchmark_leaks_rumor

 

 

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45 minutes ago, Folterknecht said:

From a leacked ASUS promo

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http://www.hardocp.com/news/2017/02/17/am4_asus_rog_crosshair_vi_hero_says_hi

 

For those with bad eyes: 1.36V - 3915.2 MHz

 

i hope this is illustration only, 1.36V is too damn high.

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28 minutes ago, BlackAdder said:

i hope this is illustration only, 1.36V is too damn high.

Nope - to me it looks like the real deal. Now days there are inbuilt tools to capture .jpg in the BIOS or you could simply use a capture device. That aside it wouldn't make any sense for PR material of mb vendors to run with abnormal high voltages in relation to clockspeed, that would just make them look bad.

 

And I agree 1.36V for 4GHz (1x nm CPU no less) seems high to me. My old Q9550 E0 (45nm CPU) only needed 1.28V under windows for that, admittedly a good sample

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6 minutes ago, Folterknecht said:

Nope - to me it looks like the real deal. Now days there are inbuilt tools to capture .jpg in the BIOS or you could simply use a capture device. That aside it wouldn't make any sense for PR material of mb vendors to run with abnormal high voltages in relation to clockspeed, that would just make them look bad.

 

And I agree 1.36V for 4GHz (1x nm CPU no less) seems high to me. My old Q9550 E0 (45nm CPU) only needed 1.28V under windows for that, admittedly a good sample

 

If i remember correctly 5960X was like 1.35V for 4.4 range... 

Anway i'm happy if AMD can speed up game and bring prices down and push intel to improve (at least in number of cores).

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I guess I'll throw in my i7-6700K for comparison if people are wondering they the new 6 core 12 thread Ryzen compares to my 1 generation old i7.  The i7 does better than the leaked Ryzen results at single core only because of the clock speed difference.  I'd like to see how far the Ryzen reliably overclocks.

 

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The most interesting one to me is the R5 1600X 6C/12T 16MB CPU because it sits so nicely between the 7600K and 7700K and "if" the benchmarks/leaks for it turn out to be legit it could be the flagship build for people who cant afford the R7 tier of CPUs with the $260 price tag (Along with the 1400X for low-budget builds). I'm probably going to get the 1700X in all honesty though. And even the 1700 base model looks great for even being the Non-X version. I think the 1700 is kind of in a no-mans-land though for what it offers because I doubt it will compare favorably against the 7700K in most tests and then it becomes a matter of price because the 7700K sits at $350 and the 1700X then sits at $400. And what's more to add on to this is that you're not cucked by board choice. As all AMD CPUs are OC able in some way, but unlike intel it wont be a case of Z170 for OC or H170 for no OC. The X370 and B350 boards are both OC capable and just differ in price/features.

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https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/02/amd-ryzen-arrives-march-2-8-cores-16-threads-from-just-329/

Damn, Ryzen is sounding pretty superb. I guess when I finally upgrade my system I may have to take a good look at AMD parts again :-)

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47 minutes ago, Folterknecht said:

Those are all AMD "promo benchmarks" showing the good side of things.

 

Until 2nd of march there won't be independent reviews showing the complete picture including OC potential.

 

And ffs - LTT is infotainment.

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Still; setting a new Cinebench world record is pretty impressive for a $500 chip

but if theres one thing steam has taught me it's never to preorder and from the RX 480 its to never buy an AMD product day 1.

btw the score above is not the world record breaker, but the video showing the actual record breaking was taken down.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/5vj233/1800x_ocd_on_ln2_to_514_ghz_2449_cinebench_r15/

 

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Just now, _Assad said:

Still; setting a new Cinebench world record is pretty impressive for a $500 chip

who cares outside of HWBot or do you intend to run your streaming/gaming system under LN² with ~1.9V?

 

And seeing these numbers (1.9V for 5.2GHz) for the first time myself, I'm getting pessimistic regarding air/H²O OC.

 

 

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19 minutes ago, Folterknecht said:

who cares outside of HWBot or do you intend to run your streaming/gaming system under LN² with ~1.9V?

 

And seeing these numbers (1.9V for 5.2GHz) for the first time myself, I'm getting pessimistic regarding air/H²O OC.

 

 

>Streaming/Gaming

I'm looking for the 1800X/1700X  almost specifically for workstation purposes. So I can work at home and the LN at that frequency should signal that it can OC well with standard cooling. Also the voltage indicator does look fucked.

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you re wrong - 1.9V for 5.2 GHz is bad, same as 1.36V for 3.9 GHz (stock).

 

The best Kabylake CPUs do 5.2 GHz at ~1.3V to put things into perspective for you. Intels X99 CPUs do 4.5 GHz at 1.3V (depending on the sample ofc and Haswell-E being better than Broadwell-E).

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13 minutes ago, Folterknecht said:

you re wrong - 1.9V for 5.2 GHz is bad, same as 1.36V for 3.9 GHz (stock).

 

The best Kabylake CPUs do 5.2 GHz at ~1.3V to put things into perspective for you. Intels X99 CPUs do 4.5 GHz at 1.3V (depending on the sample ofc and Haswell-E being better than Broadwell-E).

Firstly, you are comparing a quad-core to an octa-core CPU.

Secondly, Ryzen has per core voltage regulators. So the voltage you see at the VRM reported by the mobo for the whole CPU is not the actual voltage at the core level.

And lastly, a few of the best KL chips released up to date that can do 5.2 Ghz at 1.3V, compared to a small batch of Ryzen 1800X chips that are yet to even have a retail release, does not make a great comparison.

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1 hour ago, AkulaV said:

Firstly, you are comparing a quad-core to an octa-core CPU.

I'm comparing Intel 4-10 cores to AMDs lineup. Don't "edit" half of my statement so you can come up with a pseudo argument.

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Secondly, Ryzen has per core voltage regulators. So the voltage you see at the VRM reported by the mobo for the whole CPU is not the actual voltage at the core level.

Do you have inside knowledge that normally should still be under NDA at this point?
Otherwise let's wait till beginning of march and see what Anandtech and Tomshardware's Igor Wallossek have to say in regards to power delivery.

 

Powering down parts of the CPU that arn't used is nothing new at this point, most modern CPUs do it. To achieve better effeciency AMD might have integrated better fine tuning on a per core basis, but I 'd very suprised, if the "reported" values (BIOS screens and CPUz) are far off and they all seem to point in a direction - relative high voltages for the clockspeeds. Together with AMDs product stack and frequencies for these SKUs they don't make me buy into any OC hype.

 

I'm not claiming that there will be no OC on air/water, but I'd bet money it won't go beyond 4.5 GHz on a 24/7 basis. And if I were a real gambler (I'm not) I 'd offer a very tempting bet:

 

AMDs 4-6 core CPUs will have trouble to surpass the 1800X when it comes to achievable frequency on all cores for 24/7 on avg.

 

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The OC trend will probably start to change or improve by the end of this year/early next year, but that is normal.

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Atm I'm planning to get at least a 6core Zen by the end of the year. I'm fed up with Intel and wasting money on iGPUs no one really needs north of 100$ CPUs or paying premium for a platform that is nothing but the scraps that fall from the server lineup (and even there u get castrated BS).

 

 

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51 minutes ago, Folterknecht said:

I'm comparing Intel 4-10 cores to AMDs lineup. Don't "edit" half of my statement so you can come up with a pseudo argument.

Ah my bad, where can I buy these 10 core Kaby Lake CPUs?

Also edit what? I quoted your whole post.

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Kabylake - 4 cores; Hasewell-E/Broadwell-E 6-10 cores. And I put edit into "" as - english isn't my native language and I'm just too lazy to write an elaborate explanation of why I find it stupid, that you focus on the 4 core part, while I list a whole range of CPUs up to 10 cores. I know selective editing and halfbaked commentating are en vogue these days, but we 're talking tech here.

 

Stupid fanboyism is absolutly not my cup of tea and I don't respond in a positive way to it.

Same goes for Hype especially when it comes to AMD (historical reasons) - one of the reasons I find many vids on pornhub more usefull, than the stuff LTT tends to produce on a semi regular basis ("Ryzen available at 22 feb!" - omits the thing about preorder, continues to pretend being on amphetamins or something while talking AMD promo).

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And I edited this post two times - the new thoughts below the "edit:"

 

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