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Elimination: Tier 10 - 2017 edition

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Remember the very original elimination thread?

Tier 10 was the first elimination. However, its been almost year since we did it. But, why we are retrying it in first place, you might think?

Firstly: there have been several tanks buffed, nerfed and added, and secondly: just for science to compare the results. This is the elimination list of first tier 10 elimination:

Spoiler
  1. Type 5 Heavy
  2. FV4005
  3. Waffentrager
  4. Foch 155
  5. Jagdpz E-100
  6. FV215b 183
  7. Object 268
  8. 121
  9. AMX 30B
  10. Maus
  11. T110E4
  12. T57 Heavy
  13. Leopard 1
  14. Object 263
  15. T110E3
  16. Object 430
  17. 113
  18. Centurion AX
  19. IS-7
  20. STB-1
  21. IS-4
  22. Object 140
  23. Batchat 25t
  24. E-50M
  25. T-62A
  26. E-100
  27. FV215B
  28. AMX 50B
  29. M48 Patton
  30. TVP T50/51
  31.  T110E5 winner

The list probably would be bit different; i think Type 5 and Maus wouldnt get dropped as early, or E5 would win it, as an examples. Tier 10 LTs are coming next patch so i probs should have waited for them, but it would take another two months before we could retry this as we would need to wait about month or so to see how they actually perform, so here it is anyways.

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Increase the best tank on the list by 1 and decrease the worst tank on the list by 3. Each user is allowed to do this a maximum of once per day. When a tank hits 0, it is eliminated. You must explain your choices, even if very briefly. Highlight your increase with GREEN and your decrease with RED if possible. If you cannot use colors, use BOLD for your upvotes and ITALICS for your downvotes. I'll keep track of what tanks are remaining and in what order they were eliminated. Remember to make sure you are copying the latest list before posting.

Remember to upvote the BEST tank and downvote the WORST, dont downvote because the tank is too good, you hate it due to certain person etc. Troll votes will get rejected.

Lets begin.

First poster, copy paste this list below, others copy paste the last poster.

121: 20
113: 20
TVP T50/51: 20
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 20
E-100: 20
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 20
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 20
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20
FV4005: 20 
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 20
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5: 20
Object 268: 20
Object 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 20
Strv 103B: 20

 

Elimination order: 

  1. FV4005
  2. Foch 155
  3. Object 268

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Best RU hovermed is missing:PogChamp:

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13 minutes ago, Sprak said:

Best RU hovermed is missing:PogChamp:

No CW / PM rewards, sry

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not again:MingLee:

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Problem solved-> Maus

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5 minutes ago, Whole_Nutmeg said:

:facepalm: doing a tier 10 elimination thread when 5 new tier 10s are coming out in a month  :facepalm: 

Yeah, ghetto light tanks, if we ignore the fanbois, wannabee skauters and ppl with l2p issues (those who cant play E5 or E100 etc) the elimination other will be:

  1. [random light tanks]
  2. [random light tanks]
  3. [random light tanks]
  4. [random light tanks]
  5. [random light tanks]
  6. Fv 4005
  7. Etc

So since i just concluded in the name of all unicums (not padder tards, but real purples) that all tier 10 light tanks will suk dik, like how tier 10 arty is shit, and thus not included in these topics, we can start :)

121: 20
113: 20
TVP T50/51: 20
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 20
E-100: 20 + 1 = 21, still the best box tanks, it hits hard, gets reasonable reload speed, is faster as the other boxes, and still gets 2700 hp + good hull side armor, sure, the turret face is weak, but if you can shoot my turret, it means i can also shoot back, i hit for 750, you for 400, so not suchs a big problem (the turret front is strong enough vs AP, and thats all that matters, only retards will shottrade with an E100, and only retards in E100s will show their turret face to the enemy, just peek boo and smash 750 dmg HEAT in their faces, thats all you need to do.
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 20
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 20
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20
FV4005: 20 - 3 = 17, so bad, sooooo bad, a one tricky pony with a lackluster gun, nice balance 
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 20
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5: 20
Object 268: 20
Object 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 20
Strv 103B: 20

 

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1 hour ago, Whole_Nutmeg said:

:facepalm: doing a tier 10 elimination thread when 5 new tier 10s are coming out in a month  :facepalm: 

Quite often elimination threads has been made before new content (like original tier 10 right before grille 15 or premium right before defender sales, which would have been potential #1 contender). I know, i would have waiten, but month is not rly enough because we would need to wait some weeksmafter release how they properly perform. I was planning to do this right after prem elimination was finished but decided to wait.

Also, like what @GehakteMolen said, those lights very likely wont get even close to the top. The prenerf T100 seemed solid, but i dont still see them reaching the top. I think they are still better than some of the worst tier 10 TDs (tho prebuff sheridan was probably worse than the worst tier 10 TDs, 13 105 was absolute trash too and still seems to be crappy bat).

Either way, my turn:

121: 20
113: 20
TVP T50/51: 20
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 20
E-100: 21
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 20
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 20 + 1 = 21. Probably one of the most buffed tier 10s overall (it got already pretty reasonable buff before this megabuff so yea go figure), it used to be so trash it was floortrash tier 10 TD level or even worse, now its hilarously fun pub tank if u can afford shooting full gold HE :doge: 
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20
FV4005: 17
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 20
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5: 20
Object 263: 20
Object 268: 20 - 3 = 17. What a horseshit tank, it does literally nothing well expect penning stuff but that requires working around its shell velocity, bloom, aim time, gun depression and gun arc...jesus. Foch has autoloader, FV *can* oneshot, this does neither. Its just rusty shadow of its former domination years. As a icing cake it also depads your stats very hard.
T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 20
Strv 103B: 20

EDIT: LMAO i downvoted 263 when i was meant to downvote the 268 :facepalm: 

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I'd like to take a moment to reiterate that you down vote the WORST TANK ON THE LIST, NOT THE TANK YOU HATE PLAYING AGAINST THE MOST. 

 

Also light tanks shouldn't be included for the same reason that arty isn't. While they can be game changing, more often than not they aren't or don't provide anything that couldn't be done by others.

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thread is pointless, tvp bias shifted and e5 got nerfed so they're not going to end up as high anymore

maus and type are retard proof so ofcourse they'll win because people here seem to think that tank performance and tank capability are one and the same

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121: 20
113: 20

TVP T50/51: 20 + 1 = 21. It has a good mobility, gun gun and its Czechoslovakian. And because I am from Czech Republic. I must represent the Nation  .:disco:
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 20
E-100: 21
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 20
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 21
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20

FV4005: 17 - 3 = 14. Kill this barn with FIREE.
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 20
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5: 20
Object 268: 20
Object 263: 17
T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 20
Strv 103B: 20

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Could next voter pls up 263 back to 20 and drop 268 to 17? I mixed them up lol

I will fix it eventually next time i vote but would be nice if someone did that before that

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121: 20+1= 21 Great effective DPM, alpha, gun handling and decent armour all it needs is better gun depression. It might not be as easy to play as the RU meds or Patton but it can be much more effective
113: 20
TVP T50/51: 21
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 20
E-100: 21
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 20
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 21
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20

FV4005: 14-3= 11 The gun is broken while the tank is trash yet its still just a giant piece of shit. The only good thing is that its not arty
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 20
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5: 20
Object 268: 20
Object 263: 17
T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 20
Strv 103B: 20

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121: 21
113: 20
TVP T50/51: 21
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 20+1=21 Any munge rat can perform well in it.
E-100: 21
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 20
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 21
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20

FV4005: 11 - 3 = 8 good bye
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 20
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5: 20
Object 268: 20
Object 263: 17
T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 20
Strv 103B: 20

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33 minutes ago, yoyoya2 said:

FV4005: 14-3= 11 The gun is broken while the tank is trash yet its still just a giant piece of shit. The only good thing is that its not arty
 

Its arty, just with more hp and even less armor

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121: 21
113: 20
TVP T50/51: 21
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 
21
E-100: 21
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 20
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 21
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20

FV4005: 8
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4:
17 - Maybe its not as bad as the FV4005, but man its bad.  The worst 750 alpha TD in two tiers.  
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5:
21 - I was afraid they'd overnerf the cupola, they didn't.  Its still a beast.
Object 268: 20
Object 263: 17
T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 20
Strv 103B: 20

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2 hours ago, garryallen said:

Its arty, just with more hp and even less armor

exept it require more skill 

- Moving

- Actually aiming

- No shooting over everyone

- Easy to kill

Also I almost never get one shotted by them

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121: 21
113: 20
TVP T50/51: 21
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 21
E-100: 21
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 21 Now with bigger mantlet and -8 deg of frontal gun depression for more comfort...going hull down is both easier, and has more sense...UFP was never too strong, but when using gun dep, it is invincible. Maybe not the best tank out there, but a perfect generalist...more than RU meds that must camo snipe or go hulldown...every map, every matchup, and I contribute well...Plsen or Prokh, it is just great. Powercreeps the Centurion AX since the gun dep+mantlet buff.
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 21
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20
FV4005: 8
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 17 
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5: 21
Object 268: 20
Object 263: 17
T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 17 Gun is so potato, that no amount of turret armor or gun dep can salvage a tank. Add being terribly underpowered, long clip reload for the dmg potential (50 B can land all 4 shots, Kran will mis one and bounce one for sure...unless enemies simply run away during horrendous intraclip), and everyone thinking it is still OP - you get focused by arty and players alike. Remember old 50 120 before the last buff gun elevation issues? You can feel them here. + type 5 heavy owners have grinded out the derp gun, and there are simply more tier 8-10 Japs in general. Every patch puts more tanks on a list "i hate to have them in their team, they are pain in the ass to pen". Defender at fucking tier 8 for example.
Strv 103B: 20

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5 hours ago, leggasiini said:

Quite often elimination threads has been made before new content (like original tier 10 right before grille 15 or premium right before defender sales, which would have been potential #1 contender). I know, i would have waiten, but month is not rly enough because we would need to wait some weeksmafter release how they properly perform. I was planning to do this right after prem elimination was finished but decided to wait.

Also, like what @GehakteMolen said, those lights very likely wont get even close to the top. The prenerf T100 seemed solid, but i dont still see them reaching the top. I think they are still better than some of the worst tier 10 TDs (tho prebuff sheridan was probably worse than the worst tier 10 TDs, 13 105 was absolute trash too and still seems to be crappy bat).

Then wait two months. Wotlabs isn't going to be going anywhere. We're going to run into the same situation where the Defender was released towards the end of the tier 8 elimination thread... But at least in that case we didn't really know it would be coming out so soon, so you can't fault Rexxie. Here, we KNOW that there will be a bunch of new tanks coming out that will make the discussion FAR more interesting than what is going to be a mild repeat of last year with the Swede tanks added in, E5 nerf factored in, and Maus/E50M/263/Type 5 heavy buffs. If you're going to do a thread once a year, you might as well get it right. As for @GehakteMolen, his bias for armor is well known (as is yours). We don't even know with what stats they will hit the live server. It seems like I'm getting up in a bunch about nothing, but if this thread is going on in a month's time you can be certain there will be discussion and consternation about why we didn't wait. 

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121: 21
113: 20
TVP T50/51: 21
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 21
E-100: 21
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 21
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 21+1=22 The TypeFuckyou is just so mind bogglingly broken. That 15cm gun just guarantees a f*ck ton of damage to anything it hits, regardless of sidescraping, or armor. Spaced armor barely mitigates it as well. It joins the likes of the Maus and E-100 that you have to throw sprem at in most tanks to penetrate and hit, and with the wonky armor layout and buffered armor makes it all the more frustrating to fight against.
Which is why i'm resuming my grind to it (I stagnated at O-I)
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20
FV4005: 8-3=5 Just put this thing down. It's a kindness to it.
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 17 
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5: 21
Object 268: 17
Object 263: 20

T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 17

 

5 hours ago, leggasiini said:

Could next voter pls up 263 back to 20 and drop 268 to 17? I mixed them up lol

I will fix it eventually next time i vote but would be nice if someone did that before that

Fixed it for you

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59 minutes ago, Whole_Nutmeg said:

Then wait two months. Wotlabs isn't going to be going anywhere. We're going to run into the same situation where the Defender was released towards the end of the tier 8 elimination thread... But at least in that case we didn't really know it would be coming out so soon, so you can't fault Rexxie. Here, we KNOW that there will be a bunch of new tanks coming out that will make the discussion FAR more interesting than what is going to be a mild repeat of last year with the Swede tanks added in, E5 nerf factored in, and Maus/E50M/263/Type 5 heavy buffs. If you're going to do a thread once a year, you might as well get it right.

Lights have been shit and are likely to remain shit; maps are shit to lights and are likely to remain shit.

I say that it will make more sense to make a mini elimination like with the Swede heavies. Hovercrafts like the T-100 will be fun to drive, but unless they bring back the vision meta they will be worse than meds in 9/10 situations/.

121: 21
113: 20
TVP T50/51: 21
Foch 155: 20
AMX 50B: 20
Batchat 25t: 20
AMX 30B: 20: 20
Jagdpz E-100: 20
Maus: 21
E-100: 21
Panzer VII: 20
Grille 15: 20
E-50M: 21
Leopard 1: 20
STB-1: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 22
Centurion AX: 20
FV215b 183: 20
FV215b: 20
FV4005: 5
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 17 
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 20
T110E5: 21+1= 22: probably no longer the best, sadly can no longer pretend to be a fast superheavy - all things considered its still extremely potent and can still bully everything that isn't a German/Jap brick. I would play this tank exclusively if arty didn't exist. Sadly, it does, so I run my T-10 instead.
Object 268: 17
Object 263: 20

T-62A: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 140: 20
IS-7: 20-3 = 17 it says something about the tank when your average T9 heavy can bully a T10 with minimal hulldown/angling. the gun is bad and the small HP pool makes the tank more squishy than you'd expect. needs allround buffs to be effective
IS-4: 20
Kranvagn: 17

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I get the feeling the Maus is probably going to win. 

TVP should still rank high but I expect the E5 to just drop off because for some reason that happens. Tank gets slightly buffed, everyone: "OMG THIS THING IS AMAZINGLY GREAT NOW!!1!11!" (See: M48, M4 Rev, Lowe) tank gets slightly nerfed, HNNNG this thing sucks ass now! (Okay I cant think of any examples off the top of my head but I know its happened)

8 hours ago, Kolni said:

thread is pointless, tvp bias shifted and e5 got nerfed so they're not going to end up as high anymore

maus and type are retard proof so ofcourse they'll win because people here seem to think that tank performance and tank capability are one and the same

Mind explaining what you mean by the TVP being bias shifted? They havent touched it since release.

Also, for the second part. i 100% agree with you.

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I haven't play the E5 since the nerf but i have to agree that the cupola is still decently strong against unaimed carefully shots.

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13 hours ago, Kolni said:

thread is pointless, tvp bias shifted and e5 got nerfed so they're not going to end up as high anymore

maus and type are retard proof so ofcourse they'll win because people here seem to think that tank performance and tank capability are one and the same

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