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Elimination: Tier 10 - 2017 edition

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121: 22
113: 20
TVP T 50/51: 22

AMX 50 B: 20 +1 = 21 im not a big fan of long reloads, autoloaders in general and paper tanks, yet the 50B is good, the ``good mobility`` is actually good enough (amx-120 cough) the autoloader is a good balance between dmg, rld, accuracy and penetration (T54e1, skoda`s) and it gets atleast some hp and a tiny bit of armor. It used to be a trash tank, but after the buff it really became worth playing
Bat.-Chatillon 25t: 20
AMX 30 B: 17
Jg.Pz. E 100: 17 -3 = 14, speaking of bad TDs / tanks, this thing has the size and speed of a super heavy, yet gets low hp, and a underwhelming gun, and on top of that no turret ofc, but crappy gun angles, the E100 is love and life, and Jp-E100 is hate and rage....
Maus: 23
E 100: 21
Pz. VII: 20
Grille 15: 21
E 50 M: 22 
Leopard 1: 17
STB-1: 22  
Type 5 Heavy: 25 
Centurion AX: 21
FV215b (183): 17
FV215b: 20
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 18
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 23 
T110E5: 24
Obj. 268: 5
Obj. 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Obj. 430: 20
Obj. 140: 21 
IS-7: 17
IS-4: 14 
Kranvagn: 17
Strv 103B: 20

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121: 22
113: 20
TVP T 50/51: 22

AMX 50 B: 21
Bat.-Chatillon 25t: 20
AMX 30 B: 17
Jg.Pz. E 100: 14
Maus: 23
E 100: 21
Pz. VII: 20
Grille 15: 21 + 1 = 22 Nerfed? What nerfed? Everyone talked like that nerfed was going to kill the Grille but it's still fantastic. I still giggle every time I facepunch someone for 750 AND IT ACTUALLY HITS unlike the fucking ISU
E 50 M: 22 
Leopard 1: 17
STB-1: 22  
Type 5 Heavy: 25 
Centurion AX: 21
FV215b (183): 17 - 3 = 14 Die land arty! 
FV215b: 20
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 18
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 23 
T110E5: 24
Obj. 268: 5
Obj. 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Obj. 430: 20
Obj. 140: 21 
IS-7: 17
IS-4: 14 
Kranvagn: 17
Strv 103B: 20

 

I seem to have broken the spacing  between the TVP and the 50B but idk how to fix it.

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121: 22
113: 20
TVP T 50/51: 22
AMX 50 B: 21
Bat.-Chatillon 25t: 20
AMX 30 B: 17
Jg.Pz. E 100: 14
Maus: 23 + 1 = 24. this is so broken that it needs to be upvoted sometimes
E 100: 21
Pz. VII: 20
Grille 15: 22
E 50 M: 22 
Leopard 1: 17
STB-1: 22  
Type 5 Heavy: 25 
Centurion AX: 21
FV215b (183): 14
FV215b: 20
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 18
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 23 
T110E5: 24
Obj. 268: 5 - 3 = 2 just euthanize this poor thing already, it is suffering too much
Obj. 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Obj. 430: 20
Obj. 140: 21 
IS-7: 17
IS-4: 14 
Kranvagn: 17
Strv 103B: 20

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121: 22
113: 20
TVP T 50/51: 22+1=23 Fast intraclip and fast clip reload so you can trade 4 vs 1 or 4 vs 0 with almost anyone.
AMX 50 B: 21
Bat.-Chatillon 25t: 20
AMX 30 B: 17
Jg.Pz. E 100: 14
Maus:  24 
E 100: 21
Pz. VII: 20
Grille 15: 22
E 50 M: 22 
Leopard 1: 17
STB-1: 22  
Type 5 Heavy: 25 
Centurion AX: 21
FV215b (183): 14
FV215b: 20
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 18
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 23 
T110E5: 24
Obj. 268: 2
Obj. 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Obj. 430: 20
Obj. 140: 21 
IS-7: 17
IS-4: 14-3=11 I never really got this thing to work. It is just collecting dust in the back corner of my garage.
Kranvagn: 17
Strv 103B: 20

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121: 22
113: 20
TVP T 50/51: 23
AMX 50 B: 21
Bat.-Chatillon 25t: 20
AMX 30 B: 17-3=14 - Okay, I haven't really played much of the High Alpha guns/slow heavies, etc etc etc. Im going to leave that to the people that have played them to vote down, however, out of all the tanks I do know about. the AMX 30 is just a worse version of the Leo, and the Leo is just a worse version of the STB. a worse version of a worse version? doesn't seem like a recipe for a good tank.
Jg.Pz. E 100: 14
Maus:  24 
E 100: 21
Pz. VII: 20
Grille 15: 22
E 50 M: 22 
Leopard 1: 17
STB-1: 22+1=23 - the best tank overall? hmm, maybe not. but I would actually consider it as good or better than the RU meds. This is all fanboyism aside, but It really is just the most glorious tank I have ever played. nothing even comes close in terms of fun. 
Type 5 Heavy: 25 
Centurion AX: 21
FV215b (183): 14
FV215b: 20
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 18
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 23 
T110E5: 24
Obj. 268: 2
Obj. 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Obj. 430: 20
Obj. 140: 21 
IS-7: 17
IS-4: 11
Kranvagn: 17
Strv 103B: 20

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121: 22+1 = 23 Sadly its underrated but its fucking great it has alpha,dpm and even decent handling.
113: 20
TVP T 50/51: 23
AMX 50 B: 21
Bat.-Chatillon 25t: 20
AMX 30 B: 14 
Jg.Pz. E 100: 14-3=11 Fun to play (sometimes) sadly just isnt very good other than get monster dmg games
Maus:  24 
E 100: 21
Pz. VII: 20
Grille 15: 22
E 50 M: 22 
Leopard 1: 17
STB-1: 23 
Type 5 Heavy: 25 
Centurion AX: 21
FV215b (183): 14
FV215b: 20
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 18
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 23 
T110E5: 24
Obj. 268: 2
Obj. 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Obj. 430: 20
Obj. 140: 21 
IS-7: 17
IS-4: 11
Kranvagn: 17
Strv 103B: 20

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121: 23 
113: 20
TVP T 50/51: 23
AMX 50 B: 21
Bat.-Chatillon 25t: 20+1 = 21 Like good French wine, this thing ages well despite the test of time and cyka blyat tanks
AMX 30 B: 14 
Jg.Pz. E 100: 11 
Maus:  24 
E 100: 21
Pz. VII: 20
Grille 15: 22
E 50 M: 22 
Leopard 1: 17
STB-1: 23 
Type 5 Heavy: 25
Centurion AX: 21
FV215b (183): 14
FV215b: 20
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 18
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 23 
T110E5: 24
Obj. 268: 2-3 = -1 How-is-this-thing-not-dead-yet-oh-well-it-is-now.
Obj. 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Obj. 430: 20
Obj. 140: 21 
IS-7: 17
IS-4: 11
Kranvagn: 17
Strv 103B: 20

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121: 23 
113: 20
TVP T 50/51: 23
AMX 50 B: 21
Bat.-Chatillon 25t: 21
AMX 30 B: 14 - 3 = 11. Leo 1 is bad and this is worse version of it. Whats the fucking point of it?
Jg.Pz. E 100: 11 
Maus:  24 
E 100: 21
Pz. VII: 20
Grille 15: 22
E 50 M: 22 
Leopard 1: 17
STB-1: 23 
Type 5 Heavy: 25
Centurion AX: 21
FV215b (183): 14
FV215b: 20
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 18
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 23 
T110E5: 24
Obj. 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Obj. 430: 20
Obj. 140: 21 
IS-7: 17
IS-4: 11 + 1 = 12. Seriously, its this low already when there are stuff like 30B, 183 and other shit remaining? Cmon, IS-4 might not be maus but its armor + not being slow as shit means that its amazing at winning.
Kranvagn: 17
Strv 103B: 20

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@leggasiini i just realised you tag every post you make with something like make o ho best again or whatever.

why am i not suprised?????

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5 minutes ago, garryallen said:

@leggasiini i just realised you tag every post you make with something like make o ho best again or whatever.

why am i not suprised?????

O_HO_BEST_TANK_IN_THE_GAME was used before 9.17.1, but then Type 5 buffs came and the tag there is there to make O-Ho best tank again, thus the MAKE_O_HO_BEST_AGAIN

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25 minutes ago, leggasiini said:

O_HO_BEST_TANK_IN_THE_GAME was used before 9.17.1, but then Type 5 buffs came and the tag there is there to make O-Ho best tank again, thus the MAKE_O_HO_BEST_AGAIN

Eventually after (hopeful) slight type 5 nerfs you are gunna be like O_HO_IS_BEST_AGAIN_WHAT_ABOUT_O_NI_IT_NEEDS_BUFFS_TOO or something

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121: 23 
113: 20+1=21: amazing when it works; however is situational AND RNG dependent. I wish it had a harder UFP or a front mounted turret, or a hull that wasn't as long as some superheavies. It's a different flavour of the T-10 that IMO is harder to drive but still extremely rewarding.
TVP T 50/51: 23
AMX 50 B: 21
Bat.-Chatillon 25t: 21
AMX 30 B: 11
Jg.Pz. E 100: 11 
Maus:  24 
E 100: 21
Pz. VII: 20
Grille 15: 22
E 50 M: 22 
Leopard 1: 17
STB-1: 23 
Type 5 Heavy: 25
Centurion AX: 21
FV215b (183): 14
FV215b: 20
T57 Heavy: 20
T110E4: 18
T110E3: 20
M48 Patton: 23 
T110E5: 24
Obj. 263: 20
T-62A: 20
Obj. 430: 20-3=17 without food you are at the mercy of RNG. with food you get set ablaze every now and then. with best in class armour and DPM, the tank does not want for potential; but nothing about this tank is consistent and this hurts it so much. I'd rather have a Soviet E50M with buffed frontal armour and a railgun - than this RNG wagon. The tank would be better if it had best gun handling out of the Soviet meds and worst DPM - not the other way round.
Obj. 140: 21 
IS-7: 17
IS-4: 12
Kranvagn: 17
Strv 103B: 20

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4 hours ago, garryallen said:

Eventually after (hopeful) slight type 5 nerfs you are gunna be like O_HO_IS_BEST_AGAIN_WHAT_ABOUT_O_NI_IT_NEEDS_BUFFS_TOO or something

o-ni can suck its own boobs, all that mattered anyways were o-ho and type5

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3 hours ago, leggasiini said:

o-ni can suck its own boobs, all that mattered anyways were o-ho and type5

i hated O-No too.

Sry for derailing the topic (it is kinda dead, anyway), but if you had to choose one of them, which would you choose? I have just one yap crew, and plenty of both tier 8 and tier 10 heavies. I rly like O-Ho. You can answer here, in a message or in some of your Godzilla loving treads.

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7 minutes ago, Felicius said:

i hated O-No too.

Sry for derailing the topic (it is kinda dead, anyway), but if you had to choose one of them, which would you choose? I have just one yap crew, and plenty of both tier 8 and tier 10 heavies. I rly like O-Ho. You can answer here, in a message or in some of your Godzilla loving treads.

O-Ho.

 

O-I Exp is broken af but 1) doesnt derp 2) is too low tier

O-I is too inconstinent.

O-Ni is meh.

Type 4 is trash AND too expensive.

Type 5 is great but even more expensive, if i only had Type 5 i would run out of credits fast :P 

 

O-Ho derps, isnt trash (if u know how to play around with its depression), isnt too inconstinent and it doesnt eat credits, actually its by far most profitable non premium tier 8 by pretty huge margin (just look at vbaddict, when all other T8s loses on average few thousand O-Ho MAKES few thousand).

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Can we just kill this dead ass topic and revisit this in 6 months or so?  There are so many more interesting eliminations we could do

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Perhaps T10 is actually balanced enough that there are not that much standout tanks, neither good or bad. After worst five or so are voted out, rest are all pretty decent at least, so maybe people are not that interested in voting. 

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9 hours ago, HS5 said:

Perhaps T10 is actually balanced enough that there are not that much standout tanks, neither good or bad. After worst five or so are voted out, rest are all pretty decent at least, so maybe people are not that interested in voting. 

that does feel like the case. most of the tank remaining on the list have their fans and important roles on the battlefield, while some stand out more of course.

i think its harder now because there isn't that ONE tank that could possible fill all the roles of every other tier 10.

the T110E5 aren't as invulnerable as before, especially against the new and buffed superheavy tanks (Type Fuckyou, im looking at you, you dirty HE spamming brick). but the superheavy tanks are still constrained by their poor mobility that can be exploited by the mobile medium tanks, especially on open maps. TDs like the 183 and E4/E3 still inspire doom from around the corner, while the Strv103B and Grille 15 have their importance in the TD role. tier 10 autoloaders HTs and MTs have to be respected for their burst damage

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On 21.03.2017 at 0:14 PM, Kolni said:

TVP is exactly the same but yet people have less issues with it now than before playing against it, it's still easy as hell to 4k dpg and nothing's changed except for peoples ability to play around them.

Waffle had the exact same thing, sure it got nerfed after release (which was needed) but once you learned how to deal with it that thing was a more balanced tank than the Grille'll ever be.

 

Personally the 140 would win for me, exactly as I said the last time. The tank is by far the best compared to any other if you put a top level player in it and compare all possible scenarios and the outcomes compared to any other tank

Mobility and gun handling along with useable armour is what the top end keeps playing with and that's not without its reasons.

 

Maus is OP as balls though, it's by far the best tank for winning so I wouldn't be surprised if it ends up having 3 times the points of anything else, and the Type 5 isn't really good, it's just super easy to play. Derp guns generally rely on MM and RNG more than anything so something that is situationally good (but very good in those situations) is not a good tank. Any tier 10 tank with a brain behind it can play around the tank reasonably well anyway

I find it's easier to play against the Maus vs the Type5 because type5 doesn't require aiming, may detrack you if you go at him and has MUCH better turret and tank traverse. Maus is so fucking defenseless against circling. It's super strong when it reaches the flank and that flank is still there but it often means for 2mins you do nothing, then if your team dies, you are defenseless and type5 can at least try to fight off meds. 

 

Maus works better if people support you so CW/ESL/Platoons. Solo Type5 works better imho because it's useable for larger parts of the game

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Gasp

 

Could it be possible that somehow WG stumbled upon something close to game balance?

 

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23 minutes ago, Audax_Bellator said:

Gasp

 

Could it be possible that somehow WG stumbled upon something close to game balance?

 

You mean with the Maus? Nope. It's not a balanced tank. It's simply a tank that is super broken in the middle of the game and relatively bad early and later in it. It's a typical wargaming balance of lets make a tank that is both super annoying to play with and supper annoying to play against. 

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So what are the type sof tier 10s you'd laugh in someones face for bringing to CW?

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58 minutes ago, 21Blackjack said:

So what are the type sof tier 10s you'd laugh in someones face for bringing to CW?

Got poor CW experience but this is what i know/can guess:

268

foch

FV4005 is actually used sometimes on WGL lol

Pre 9.17.1 type5 was also joke material, not anymore but still i dont see it being very good in CW

after 9.18, probably any of the tier 10 LTs at their current state

same for skycancer unless stun becomes for some reason relevant (which i doubt)

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