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23 hours ago, nemlengyel said:

so judging by the posts, it's reasonable in randoms? gud gun + frontal invincibility to patriot is tempting

pretty much, 288 pen means you won't need premium and u can snipe with .29 accuracy and 8 km/h siege gives you better speed then the udes

 

its a pretty solid crew trainer that has siege mode without the grind if you haven't went down the Swedish line like myself

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The STRV-S1: A Quick Survival Guide

 

Hello everyone! The latest line of tanks introduced into the game were the new Swedish Tank Destroyers and a line of Medium and Heavy tanks. The heavy tanks are a beast unto themselves, featuring amazing turrets with lackluster guns. The Tank Destroyers introduced a new mechanic call “siege mode” which allows the tier 8, 9 and 10 tanks to do some pretty cool thing with its gun handling. And the Tank Destroyers also feature some impressive guns at tier 8 through 10 with some of the highest base penetration to their standard ammunition in the game for their tier. With the latest patch, WarGaming introduced a premium tank destroyer which acts as a ‘hybrid’ of sorts, combining the tier 8 and 9 tank destroyers into a tank known as the STRV-S1 (or, S1). So, what do you need to know?

 

How do I play the STRV-S1?

 

Unlike the tier 8 Udes 03, the S1 has 30mm of armor instead of 20mm. This is a MASSIVE difference! This means that tanks with a gun caliber of 90mm or less need to aim at your weak spots, instead of just aiming at the tank. Further, instead of moving at 5kph while in siege mode as the Udes 03 can, you move at 8kph, which again is a massive difference and adds some flexibility. And, you also gain an ever so slight advantage to your damage per minute.

 

However, this comes at a cost. You lose 20 kph off your top speed when comparing to the Udes while moving forward, and 5 kph when comparing to moving backwards. You also lose the ability to elevate your gun in a manner that lets you shoot over terrain easily. Acceleration can be a bit harder to come by, so you’ll need to move earlier than you might have considered in the Udes.

 

The S1 is a pure sniper, but can be more useful in close engagements than the Udes when top tier. The gun’s penetration means very little premium rounds need to be loaded, usually only to help deal with a MAUS or Type 5 Heavy. If you’ve been training your tank in camouflage then you can often fire safely in the open to about 375 meters against everyone but tanks with maximum view range skills IF your crew is trained to 100% camouflage for all crew members.

 

You thrive in open maps, and do not suffer on those maps even up against tanks two tiers your better as your gun has great penetration and accuracy values. You will suffer somewhat in city engagements, or many of the newer maps which feature only three real fighting paths, as flanking in the top tier Swedish Tank Destroyers are very awkward since it’s hard to fire your gun outside of siege mode. You will also suffer if you’re an impatient player, as this features of the tank are exceptionally punishing if you rush to do anything other than get into your optimal position.

 

Setting up Your S1

 

Equipment: Medium Tank Gun Rammer, Binoculars, Camouflage Net. You could also consider running ventilation over a camouflage net, but this will decrease your “safe” firing zone to about 400 meters.
Consumables: Small Medical Pack, Small Repairs Pack, Automatic Extinguisher (Auto Ext). This tank will catch fire to frontal hits. As the Auto Ext decreases your chance of fire by 10%, this is obvious to use. If you wish to “try hard” and run the premium consumable “food,” I would drop the medical pack.

 

Will It be used in Competitive Play?

 

I doubt this tank will have great utility apart from training your crew in public battles or random stronghold skirmishes where it can be strong due to random map rotations. However, when the coming map is known the Udes 03 features better mobility and the DPM difference really isn’t noticeable. The German premium tank Destroyer, the Skorpion, features a gun which has better alpha damage, the ability to overmatch many tanks with weak armor, a full turret, and comparable mobility. This tank, the S1, is not a strong contender for Clan Wars-like environments.

 

Yay, or Nay?


So, should you get it? I would, but only if you’ve already unlocked and elited the Udes 03 and enjoy playing it. It can be an excellent credit maker, and with only 3 crew members your crew will train very quickly.

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On 3/25/2017 at 7:35 PM, nemlengyel said:

so judging by the posts, it's reasonable in randoms? gud gun + frontal invincibility to patriot is tempting

Personally I couldn't recommend it, if you want a premium TD get a Skorpion G, way more versatile and hits much harder. 

Though I feel this tank will get a buff at some point, but at the moment it's already a turretless TD which is a pain, but then pays even more for that with siege mode.  

I also kind of feel with the overmatch changes getting cancelled these Swedish TDs will get something in the future. 

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55 minutes ago, tajj7 said:

Personally I couldn't recommend it, if you want a premium TD get a Skorpion G, way more versatile and hits much harder. 

Though I feel this tank will get a buff at some point, but at the moment it's already a turretless TD which is a pain, but then pays even more for that with siege mode.  

I also kind of feel with the overmatch changes getting cancelled these Swedish TDs will get something in the future. 

Id like to see the Udes get 34mm frontal armor (safe vs 100mm guns), the 103-0 get 41mm armor (safe vs 122mm), and the 103-B get 51mm (safe vs 152mm). 

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20 minutes ago, TheMarine0341 said:

Id like to see the Udes get 34mm frontal armor (safe vs 100mm guns), the 103-0 get 41mm armor (safe vs 122mm), and the 103-B get 51mm (safe vs 152mm). 

WG balacing dept should hire you :doge: 

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10 hours ago, TheMarine0341 said:

Unlike the tier 8 Udes 03, the S1 has 30mm of armor instead of 20mm. This is a MASSIVE difference! This means that tanks with a gun caliber of 90mm or less need to aim at your weak spots, instead of just aiming at the tank.

Playing almost exclusively the Pilot, Persh and Patriot these days, I can feel the pain. 

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On 28/03/2017 at 2:01 AM, TheMarine0341 said:

Id like to see the Udes get 34mm frontal armor (safe vs 100mm guns), the 103-0 get 41mm armor (safe vs 122mm), and the 103-B get 51mm (safe vs 152mm). 

Go away i need a way to pen these in my leopard one... if your sides are exposed you probably aren't angling right or trying to fight to many opponents.

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11 minutes ago, garryallen said:

Go away i need a way to pen these in my leopard one... if your sides are exposed you probably aren't angling right or trying to fight to many opponents.

HEAT is insta-pen, regardless of caliber vs the 103-0, STRV S1, and Udes. 

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51 minutes ago, TheMarine0341 said:

HEAT is insta-pen, regardless of caliber vs the 103-0, STRV S1, and Udes. 

Is it??? i might need to load moar skill rounds then

Though the mesh thing in front of the 103b blocks heat right?

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52 minutes ago, garryallen said:

Is it??? i might need to load moar skill rounds then

Though the mesh thing in front of the 103b blocks heat right?

Correct. HEAT's auto-bounce angle is 80 degrees, regardless of caliber. without spaced armor, they're all auto-pen

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19 hours ago, garryallen said:

Is it??? i might need to load moar skill rounds then

Though the mesh thing in front of the 103b blocks heat right?

HEAT shits through even the 103B

 

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1 hour ago, _Assad said:

HEAT shits through even the 103B

Lower plate or cupola.

That heat shield is a pita to bypass at range.

Anyway, any feedback from pubs and SHs?

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9 hours ago, TheMarine0341 said:

@_Assad DPG/# Games? Im about 2600 combined in the S1 at 60 or so battles

2700~ with 400 assist at 120 games. Like I said though; I wasn't going for top DPG. I had 2550 w/ 72% at 100 games The last 20 or so I went full tryhard to push the last 10% from 85% to 95% by doing 3400 avg and 500 assist. These stats compare very favorably with how well I did in the tier 9 however. All in all this is why I was comparing the S1 to the 103-0 because it plays nothing like the UDES other than when you're sniping. It's slower and sluggish, but it can still hit it's top speed. People are comparing this thing to the UDES like a 5% drop in camo is the end of the world when you're already rocking 50% camo with a good crew and paint/food. They're saying oh it's so shit because it's .05 more dispersion than the UDES. MFW .30 is bad all of the sudden. All in all I feel like this tank is much more consistent than the UDES because it CAN push. The plethora of 90mm armed tanks at tiers 6-8 allow you to really dominate most maps even in city maps like Himmels and Paris.

This tank doesnt have stats that stand out glaringly like other premiums do like how the Patriot is just a better T32/Pershing and the Skorpion just a better RHM because of the speed and gun handling. It's the small things that people often over look that make the drawbacks worth it. And the drawbacks aren't even as bad as people say. 50 kph is still very competitive for a TD for example. This tank has a bunch of little things that make it good. The ability to tank shots from 90mm guns and lower let you bully people who just opt to shoot you with AP/APCR because they think you're paper. The ability to snap shots just like the 103B except for the difference in accuracy. Another thing is that these shells have a very slight advantage on the UDES in terms of shell speed. 1450 (Same as 103-0 and 103B) to 1385 on the base APCR. And the 8kph in siege mode + the 1.3s exit time is so fucking good at tier 8! I've been able to be such a piece of shit to tier 10 Mediums by being able to retreat such short time. 2s to 1.3 may not seem like much, but just think of how much of a difference .7 seconds would make in your aim time, reload, and auto loader inter-clip? Oh and lastly since it is a premium at tier 8 that barely ever needs gold rounds and with the benefits from siege mode mechanics regarding binos and camo; you can really make holla dolla. My crew comes with a VR of 482 (503 w/ food) so you can get tons of assisted damage.

P.S. if you load food and pull 2500 dpg a game you can still pull in 40K+ profit which is retarded.

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51 minutes ago, _Assad said:

 

P.S. if you load food and pull 2500 dpg a game you can still pull in 40K+ profit which is retarded.

 

That's pretty much average-blow average for any tier8 prem. As I'd expect considering its forced to play like a total bitch

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4 minutes ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

That's pretty much average-blow average for any tier8 prem. As I'd expect considering its forced to play like a total bitch

Below average if you're try-harding sure, but I bought the Skorpion for example to do 5 shots a game while jerking off in the corner of a map and with memes on the other monitor. Bearing that in mind these tanks for me are low effort; high reward machines. Being forced to do 10 shots a game with a 240 alpha gun just to meet the same damage a skorp can put out is too much effort.

 

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5 minutes ago, _Assad said:

Below average if you're try-harding sure, but I bought the Skorpion for example to do 4 shots a game while jerking off in the corner of a map and with memes on the other monitor. Bearing that in mind these tanks for me are low effort; high reward machines.

I meant profit, not the DPG. 40k after food is kinda meh. Tank is a shit earner due to playstyle. Idgaf what kind of pen it has. Could have 1000 pen, playstyle is extremely limiting which hampers credit farming. Played it on a friends account a bunch and you get 2k damage games easily enough, but 3-5k that I can regularly get in a Lowe or whatever else rarely happens just because of how much you need to fight your own tank and the map rotation.

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3 minutes ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

I meant profit, not the DPG. 40k after food is kinda meh.

I read it wrong I just saw lol. Hold on a sec. 3k damage and 300 assist without food is 90K from the looks of my Wot Numbers. though the sample size is limited because I was running food for about 95% games.

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I'm not a good player, but I get far better results with this than with the Skorpion G. I've been getting at least 2k+ damage in most battles with it, with a few outliers thrown in, like this: bc34fa458de6b46604d50f042c99fe94.jpg

or getting abused on Himmelsdorf.

What makes the tank for me is the ability to hide which the Skorp lacks. That and the railgun mounted on it. I cannot praise this tank enough, only problem I have with it is the inflexibility due to siege mode. 288 pen on a standard round is just silly, as well.

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Woo managed to scramble enough money to get this before it went off sale, looking forward to trying it out, seems like it might be kinda okay next patch with more lights around because of actually being able to bounce some things unlike UDES.

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55 minutes ago, RGM79GM said:

 with more lights around

PFUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

Good joke.

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15 minutes ago, Madner Kami said:

PFUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

 

Good joke.

They are ill suited to the meta but people like new shinies I thought?

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1 hour ago, RGM79GM said:

They are ill suited to the meta but people like new shinies I thought?

Try defend yourself against rushing LTs in siege mode and have fun.

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On 4/8/2017 at 7:45 PM, wes said:

Try defend yourself against rushing LTs in siege mode and have fun.

This is when you die, just like almost any other TD, except maybe one of the derp germans or an ISU/704

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