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On 06/05/2017 at 9:49 PM, hazzgar said:

Yeah it's better to claim stuff that is often in direct contradiction to what is in game api because feelings rule over data.

TIL That just by looking at data, M46 patton and T-54 are the worst of their peers. :PogChamp:

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19 minutes ago, DHP said:

TIL That just by looking at data, M46 patton and T-54 are the worst of their peers. :PogChamp:

Never said to just look at the data. I'm an analyst by trade. Pure data gives you shit and I've said it before using it pure is stupid. IS4 looks like a turd in data yet it wins. 

Though It's hard to understand what stats make the paddon and the t54 worst. 

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20 hours ago, General_6 said:

I'm an average player at best but I've changed my mind on the bulldog. I thought the single shot was the better solution but I play better and like the 6 shot autoloader significantly more.

Autoloader has such a horribad penetration, that it's quite unplayable. Tried it for two games (by accident) and hated it - a lot.

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I just cannot fathom why the autoloader damage is 150 instead of 170.  900 clip potential means that even a lot tier 6s are probably safe from being clipped out with a little help from RNG.

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2 hours ago, Archaic_One said:

I just cannot fathom why the autoloader damage is 150 instead of 170.  900 clip potential means that even a lot tier 6s are probably safe from being clipped out with a little help from RNG.

Total clip potential is the smallest of the problems on that gun. If they made the clip reload reasonable it would still be good. 

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On 5/9/2017 at 10:36 AM, Taze said:

Autoloader has such a horribad penetration, that it's quite unplayable. Tried it for two games (by accident) and hated it - a lot.

The autoloader has same pen as it always had and same pen as the single shot so not sure what the concern is. In fact pen similar to the LTTB and other tier 8 lights. 

The only issue is that the heat round is the most expensive credits per damage in the game, and an autoloader makes the problem worse.  The 6 shot better than 10 shot in this regard, though.

The low pen on these tanks is less of an issue as most of them have a great ability to flank, which is what WH is encouraging  

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, General_6 said:

 

The low pen on these tanks is less of an issue as most of them have a great ability to flank, which is what WH is encouraging.

 

And it kinda works with tier 10 lights, my t100 has only 10 ap (premium) shells, but I still get a lot of 3k+ games because its mobility allows me to flank for days.

With lower tiers this concept doesn't really work because you can flank, but even with premium you can't pen most of the stuff you meet (with the current never top tier mm)..

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On 12.5.2017 at 9:19 PM, General_6 said:

The autoloader has same pen as it always had and same pen as the single shot so not sure what the concern is. In fact pen similar to the LTTB and other tier 8 lights. 

True, I somehow looked it wrong (probably mixed with alpha, which is lower in autoloader, because reasons) after I couldn't pen shit in one of the two games with it. Dispersion and aimtime are much better in singleshot though, especially considering bloom values too.

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Update 13 75 is absolutely beast mode. Clip is a little small at 540, but it unloads quick, aims quick, reloads quick and the hp/t buff makes it zoomy. Really strong tank when fighting other 7s, absolutely crushes 5s and 6s and wholly serviceable against 8s and 9s with dat APCR and mobility and spike. Wheee autoloaders.

Example

http://wotreplays.com/site/3596084#airfield-crabeatoff-amx_13_75

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But with only 6s additional reload and only slightly worse gun handling, the clip potential of the t71 is so much better.... 

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You know what I didn't expect? I didn't expect to hate the WZ-132 so much. I thought with remaining the same tier it would be pretty sweet. Looking at the stats it stacks up pretty well against other tier 8 lights and seems like it should be decent. But it feels like the old light tanks - just a bad medium. I'm going to finish grinding it this week and sell it without delay. Oh, it burns constantly (like every couple games at most) so you can't really run food on it making it feel even worse.

Tier 8 also feels like a shit tier for light tanks. It feels like you get a lot more high tier battles which are particularly unpleasant. The LTTB is the only one I kind of enjoy but I'd rather run a tier 9 or tier 7.

EDIT: Actually looking at the stats, I don't see any reason at all to get the China tier 9 or 10. The tier 9 is just flat out worse than the T-54LT with the added bonus of not having any armor. Wat? The tier 10 looks like nothing special either so I guess I'm done with the China lights.

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@dualmaster333 The 132A is like all China mediums. You lose armor, speed, acceleration, gun handling and accuracy for modest accuracy increases relative to the Russian counterpart. The 132-1 is particularly awful. The 132A is at least slightly smaller than the 54LW,  and having AP standard with higher pen APCR does mean the gun is decent. I'll be unlocking the 132-1 in hope of a future buff but it's genuinely bad, like AMX30B, 121B, T95E6 bad.

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Thought the 132a and 54lt had the same accuracy. Either way the increased dispersion on the 132a make that gun feel even worse imo. Nor do the significantly more expensive shells make the economics all that fun. I suspect I'll get the 132-1 researched but not bought (in case they do ever balance it) then look for a new home for the crew, even tho tier 9 is an excellent tier otherwise.

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2 hours ago, Ezz said:

Thought the 132a and 54lt had the same accuracy. Either way the increased dispersion on the 132a make that gun feel even worse imo. Nor do the significantly more expensive shells make the economics all that fun. I suspect I'll get the 132-1 researched but not bought (in case they do ever balance it) then look for a new home for the crew, even tho tier 9 is an excellent tier otherwise.

May very well be. I think we agree the point stands though...China gun is Chinese!

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