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Elimination: Tier 8 Special Edition!

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IS-3: 23
T32: 14 
Object 416: 23
Emil I: 3+1=4 There are still objectively much worse tanks on the list, and I personally liked it a lot. 
UDES 03: 15-3=12 Siege mode is an idiotic game mechanic. 
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 
T26E5/Patriot: 25 
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 19
Obj. 252U/Defender: 27
Strv S1: 17
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 12

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IS-3: 23
T32: 14 
Object 416: 23
Emil I: 4  
UDES 03: 12 
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 
T26E5/Patriot: 25 
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 19
Obj. 252U/Defender: 27 + 1 = 28 Screw it, why resist the inevitable.
Strv S1: 17 - 3 = 14 Lacks the funky semi-functional armor of the UDES, not particularly mobile (ooooh, you can go fast in reverse), low alpha, low HP (Ferdi and T28 have 1500 each, ffs), unlike Ferdi (why isn't he on this list, I wonder...?)/T28/ISU152, you can't play as an assault gun even when top tier, and it lacks the power:weight to mountain-goat like the UDES.  And oh, siege mode.
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 12

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IS-3: 23
T32: 14+1=15: ALL HAIL THE GOD TURRET BITCHES!!!! 
Object 416: 23
Emil I: 4-3=1: your not a heavy, stop cosplaying as one  
UDES 03: 12 
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 
T26E5/Patriot: 25 
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 19
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 14 
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 12

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Since people seem to forget why some tanks are missing:
 

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Included on the list are the top 5 of the original elimination thread, top 5 of the latest elimination thread (premiums only), and recently released ones, both regular and premium.

IS-3: 23
T32: 15
Object 416: 23
Emil I: 1
UDES 03: 12 - 3 = 9
If you're going to go siege, you should at the very least not lose gun handling

VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 
T26E5/Patriot: 25 
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 19
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 14 + 1 = 15
Bouncing tier 6 tanks who don't know about overmatch mechanics are fun

Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 12

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IS-3: 23
T32: 15
Object 416: 23 + 1 = 24 still the best T8 tank in the game
Emil I: 1 - 3 = -2 deleted, very situational at best
UDES 03: 9
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 
T26E5/Patriot: 25 
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 19
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 12

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IS-3: 23
T32: 15 - 3 = 12 back in the day 105 ap was fine, now you need to spam apcr with the 90mm, and the patriot does the same. And makes credits.
Object 416: 24 + 1 = 25 can pen a type 5, enough said.
UDES 03: 9
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 
T26E5/Patriot: 25 
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 19
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 12

 

Someone fix the colours cuz phone ResidentSleeper 

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IS-3: 23 +1 = 24 hey defender, 1 v 1 me bro
T32: 12 -3 = 9 Its a pretty good gun at tier 7 . . .
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 9
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 
T26E5/Patriot: 25 
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 19
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 12

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IS-3: 24 
T32: 
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 9
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 
T26E5/Patriot: 25 
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 19 + 1 = 20 It's everything I wish the Charioteer could come close to being
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 12 - 3 = 9 Aside from being blatantly P2W, its cheese once you get to its sides or meet someone who's competent and not strapped for credits

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IS-3: 24 
T32: 9 - 3 = 6 Patriot says hi
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 9
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 
T26E5/Patriot: 25 + 1 = 26 Poor T32
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 9

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IS-3: 24 
T32: 6 - 3 = 3. This gun at tier 8 LUL, atleast Chrysler has 260 APCR pen and can afford spamming moar APCR because prem status
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 9
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 26 + 1 = 27. LLLLÖÖÖÖÖÖEEEEWWWEEE
T26E5/Patriot: 26
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 9

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IS-3: 24 
T32:  3-3=0. Meh gun, only good hull down, meh speed, meh dpm without super prem spam 90mm. 
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 9
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe:  27.
T26E5/Patriot: 26+1=27 - Still split between Defender and this but this seems more reliable. 
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 9

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IS-3: 24 
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 9
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe:  27.
T26E5/Patriot: 27+1=28
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 9 -3=6

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IS-3: 24+1=25
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 9-3=6
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe:  27.
T26E5/Patriot: 28
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 6

PS:

@the_guys_who_deleted_Emil_I    you guys are bad at the game, that tank is the very best in the game good. Since I am a true fan boy you can't convince me otherwise with reasoning.:minidoge:

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IS-3: 25
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 6
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe:  27+1=28 it's balanced, it can fight tier 10s, literally shits credits.
T26E5/Patriot: 28
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 6-3=3 I'm a fan of rear turreted tanks, but this one is just meh. It's only good at farming youtubers tears..

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IS-3: 25
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 3 Bad armor and siege mode is not a great combination, unrelated but the number of shitters who go into siege mode at contact range fucking triggers me
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 28 
T26E5/Patriot: 29 kills ugly tanks
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 3

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IS-3: 25
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 3
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 28 + 1 = 29 Accuracy?  Check.  Gun depression?  Check.  Stronk turret?  Check.  (Just about) best pen of any t8 heavy?  Check.  Nonstop flow of credits?  Check.
T26E5/Patriot: 29
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 3 - 3 = 0 Die you miserable thing.

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32 minutes ago, kaneaaa said:

Is the lowe really that good? 

Yes. It can fight tier 10s. And pen them.

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On 26.07.2017 at 9:09 PM, WhatTheSkara said:

IS-3: 25
Object 416: 25 
UDES 03: 6
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe:  27+1=28 it's balanced, it can fight tier 10s, literally shits credits.
T26E5/Patriot: 28
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23
Chrysler K GF: 6-3=3 I'm a fan of rear turreted tanks, but this one is just meh. It's only good at farming youtubers tears..

Is Chrystler really worse than Both Swed Td's and the slow as shit vk?

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11 hours ago, hazzgar said:

Is Chrystler really worse than Both Swed Td's and the slow as shit vk?

IMO it is quite true that the Chrysler is overhyped - it is worse, certainly, than the Lowe or the Defender. But it is at least better than tanks like the VK, which have zero flexibility, and one trick ponies like the UDES.

People in this thread, and I mean no offence, seem to have overlooked tanks like the Skorpion, the S1 and the Liberte. Certainly they are good tanks and better than their credit counterparts, but I'd say, and the statistics seem to support this, that they are worse tanks for winning than, say the Chrysler or the Defender. If I remember correctly, the source being Wotnews (http://wot-news.com/game/tankinfo/en/eu), the Chrysler averages about 3 % above the expected average winrate of the player. The curve is nearly constant except towards the top. Compare to this to, for example the Liberte or the Patriot, which only does about 1.5% better in terms of winrate, and only for greens or above for the EU server. The Skorp and the S1 produce no measurable benefits in winrate, on average, and across the board.

I will say this: the Chrysler at release was one of the best Tier 8 tanks for winning, and given how few real weakspots it has, it remains one of the best. The tank has Tier 9 armour with no weakpoints to silver ammo which makes it annoying to fight even if you are a tier or two higher. Even with gold spam, its turret remains reasonably resistant, while it also has the ability to sidescrape quite superbly. The gun is solid at tier 8, quite good, even, if you spam enough APCR. It receives no real detriment to its mobility, having a high HP/T and tolerable traverse speeds. Simply put, it feels like a Tier 8.5 heavy, or like a stock Tier 9 heavy. It's horsepower lets you take forward positions, and the armour means that you can hold them, even against goldspamming opponents. 

The Chrysler is a shitty credit grinder and quite cancer to play against, possibly only second to the Defender. But I don't think it's any worse a tank than the Skorpion, or the S1, or the UDES, or the Liberte, etc, etc. It seems that people just hate the tank, and on the whole the way it was struck off the list reminds me of the E 25's fate on the Tier 7 thread, except there were far fewer memes this time.

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3 hours ago, lavawing said:

IMO it is quite true that the Chrysler is overhyped - it is worse, certainly, than the Lowe or the Defender. But it is at least better than tanks like the VK, which have zero flexibility, and one trick ponies like the UDES.

People in this thread, and I mean no offence, seem to have overlooked tanks like the Skorpion, the S1 and the Liberte.

Yah, there is some validity to this.  I honestly just hated the Chrysler, and I really enjoy tanks like the 40t and the Skorp G.  As I've said before, my enjoyment of the tank factors in heavily here.  @RichardNixon made much the same observation in one of last year's elimination threads - specifically that players seemed to vote based on "feel" (I'm using that as a grabbag term for a number of not-purely-analytical approaches/reasons) as much as or even more than they did based on how the tank actually performed.

Speaking of which...any chance of @RichardNixon doing a statistical analysis for us at the end of this thread, like he did at the end of last year's 8/9/10 ones?

And any plans to redo the 9/10 ones, adding in the new scouts, the new German heavy line, meatball tanks, etc.?

18 hours ago, WhatTheSkara said:

Yes. It can fight tier 10s. And pen them.

As my most recent example, I stuck five straight into a Maus yesterday with my Loewe.  I bounced him a couple times, too, before succumbing.  I can live with that result in a tier 10 battle.

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IS-3: 25
Object 416: 25 + 1 = 26 HEATing things up
UDES 03: 3 - 3 = 0 promotes bad gameplay, time to die
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 29
T26E5/Patriot: 29
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23

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IS-3: 25
Object 416:  26 
VK 100.01 (P): 21
Lowe: 29+1=30: a capable tank and an equally capable earner
T26E5/Patriot: 29
AMX M4 49/Liberte: 20-3=17: as much as I enjoy this tank and how it plays, the shitty gun handling and paper tumour does not a good combination make, especially at tier 10 (which is practically half the time). The rest of the remaining tanks are either better bullies, or are better at farming high tiers, or both.
Rhm. Skorpion: 20
Obj. 252U/Defender: 28 
Strv S1: 15
Lorr. 40t: 23

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T32/Chrysler go before a bunch of farmer trash tanks. Ability to win is obviously not the deciding factor in this...

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22 hours ago, hazzgar said:

Is Chrystler really worse than Both Swed Td's and the slow as shit vk?

I rate tanks basing my decision on how much I enjoy playing them in pubs.

I have like 44% wr in my is7, but that tank should be good at winning games right? Not for me :P

I upvoted the Lowe because I like it despite being relatively slow, same reason why I like the m4 rev more than something like a cdc or a sta-2 or any other t8 med except the 416 (because pancake is lyf), while I can't stand playing the chrysler or any of the new premiums (only exception being the s1 because it's more unique)

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