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My Dad was in the Pacific in WW2.  He said the Indy story is the biggest case of US Navy incompetence next to Pearl Harbor.  Her trip was so shrouded in secrecy because she carried the A-bomb.  There were no reports sent ahead to the Philippines to say when she would arrive after she dropped the A-Bomb off at Tinian, so there was no way to know she was late.  No destroyer escort.  It's a ready sad story.

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Glad they found it. 

3 hours ago, bigrebone said:

My Dad was in the Pacific in WW2.  He said the Indy story is the biggest case of US Navy incompetence next to Pearl Harbor.  Her trip was so shrouded in secrecy because she carried the A-bomb.  There were no reports sent ahead to the Philippines to say when she would arrive after she dropped the A-Bomb off at Tinian, so there was no way to know she was late.  No destroyer escort.  It's a ready sad story.

i was gonna compare this to MacArthur's idea of moving the US forces in the Philippines into Bataan and expect them to hold out for the US Navy to arrive. Maybe he didn't know how shagged And then he just elopes to Australia when shit hits the fan, leaving everyone else behind to get captured by the IJA

 

 

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IIRC, he was ordered by the President to leave long before he finally did. And again, IIRC moving into Bataan and then onto Corregidor was the war plan at the time. It's been a long time but I read several books on the subject and I will have to go back and refresh.

 

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On 8/21/2017 at 10:20 AM, Vettish said:

IIRC, he was ordered by the President to leave long before he finally did. And again, IIRC moving into Bataan and then onto Corregidor was the war plan at the time. It's been a long time but I read several books on the subject and I will have to go back and refresh.

 

Yeah, he was ordered out.  Capture of MacArthur would have been too huge a propaganda win at that point.

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On 8/20/2017 at 9:01 PM, ThomChen114 said:

Glad they found it. 

i was gonna compare this to MacArthur's idea of moving the US forces in the Philippines into Bataan and expect them to hold out for the US Navy to arrive. Maybe he didn't know how shagged And then he just elopes to Australia when shit hits the fan, leaving everyone else behind to get captured by the IJA

 

 

Yep, good catch.  I should thought of this, also.  MacArthur wouldn't commandeer the Philippine trains to move supplies in Manila back to the peninsula.  They could have done that at night and let the Philippines evacuate by day.  My Uncle was captured on Corregidor.

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On 21/08/2017 at 5:01 AM, ThomChen114 said:

Glad they found it. 

i was gonna compare this to MacArthur's idea of moving the US forces in the Philippines into Bataan and expect them to hold out for the US Navy to arrive. Maybe he didn't know how shagged And then he just elopes to Australia when shit hits the fan, leaving everyone else behind to get captured by the IJA

 

 

I find it pretty hilarious how he springled medals left and right while fleeing for various peoples being his taxi drivers, that guy really loved his ass it seems. Ok could be just for propaganda purposes but still...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthur's_escape_from_the_Philippines

Silver Star medals for for torpedo boat squadron crew for driving couple days across sea, no combat, mostly just bad weather conditions.

Silver Stars for two B-17 crews, no combat, just taxing Mr General and rest of precious party  :)

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2 hours ago, sahtila said:

I find it pretty hilarious how he springled medals left and right while fleeing for various peoples being his taxi drivers, that guy really loved his ass it seems. Ok could be just for propaganda purposes but still...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_MacArthur's_escape_from_the_Philippines

Silver Star medals for for torpedo boat squadron crew for driving couple days across sea, no combat, mostly just bad weather conditions.

Silver Stars for two B-17 crews, no combat, just taxing Mr General and rest of precious party  :)

He was considerably more of a politician, than a wartime-general (though both is never really mutually exclusive). However, these traits allowed for Japan to become what it is. Without MacArthur pretending to be a shadow-king over there, Japan would have been a rural state again and in all honesty, if you need someone to oversee a theatre of war like the pacific, then you would want a MacArthur. Besides, there's one thing often overlooked and that is totally bogus about the "Captain sinks with his ship"-mentality often displayed or expected of commanding officers and I will quote from the Wiki:

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The staff that MacArthur brought with him from Corregidor formed the nucleus of General Headquarters (GHQ) Southwest Pacific Area (SWPA)

Good officers and already "worked-in" command staffs, are ridiculously valueable. Any officer that decides to "go down with the ship", harms his country in more ways than the loss of the ship or even an entire army could do. Grunts and tanks are replacable, good commanders are rare.

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On 8/20/2017 at 5:04 PM, bigrebone said:

My Dad was in the Pacific in WW2.  He said the Indy story is the biggest case of US Navy incompetence next to Pearl Harbor.  Her trip was so shrouded in secrecy because she carried the A-bomb.  There were no reports sent ahead to the Philippines to say when she would arrive after she dropped the A-Bomb off at Tinian, so there was no way to know she was late.  No destroyer escort.  It's a ready sad story.

I remember learning that story as a kid the first time I saw Jaws. Here's a good telling of it  

 

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