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AMX 50 Foch B

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24 minutes ago, nabucodonsor said:

I noticed you did not mention the low pen. Is it because you are able to play around it or you did not find it worth mentioning?

Also would you consider the 263 better (cant think of any other with low alpha but great dpm and decent mobility)?

High capacity autoloaders are shit gimmicks, 263 is automatically better despite still being shit.

Everyone is gonna get tired/hate the fochB and sell it, just like they did with the foch155. Its the exact same turd, except it's been polished and hung with an air freshener.

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11 minutes ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

High capacity autoloaders are shit gimmicks, 263 is automatically better despite still being shit.

Everyone is gonna get tired/hate the fochB and sell it, just like they did with the foch155. Its the exact same turd, except it's been polished and hung with an air freshener.

U got an upvote  just for the metaphor 

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5 hours ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

High capacity autoloaders are shit gimmicks, 263 is automatically better despite still being shit.

Everyone is gonna get tired/hate the fochB and sell it, just like they did with the foch155. Its the exact same turd, except it's been polished and hung with an air freshener.

I hate the 50 100 too. The BC at least has speed and turret so it can assassinate shit. This only assassinates my humor. Trying to do t15.4 in this made me really grumpy. Then I went into the fv183 and pulled 2 7k games. So close to the mission.... 

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10 hours ago, nabucodonsor said:

I noticed you did not mention the low pen. Is it because you are able to play around it or you did not find it worth mentioning?

Also would you consider the 263 better (cant think of any other with low alpha but great dpm and decent mobility)?

Pen is 325 that’s ok pen. :doge:

 

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10 hours ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

High capacity autoloaders are shit gimmicks, 263 is automatically better despite still being shit.

Everyone is gonna get tired/hate the fochB and sell it, just like they did with the foch155. Its the exact same turd, except it's been polished and hung with an air freshener.

Meh I'd rate the 263 worse, simply because it doesn't work at all in the current corridor meta. At least the fochB still has a gimmic sometimes.

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3 minutes ago, Hally said:

Meh I'd rate the 263 worse, simply because it doesn't work at all in the current corridor meta. At least the fochB still has a gimmic sometimes.

You don't like 4 gun dep, terrible arc, and a huge lower plate? Weirdo

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6 hours ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

You don't like 4 gun dep, terrible arc, and a huge lower plate? Weirdo

Who doesnt like large, open topped vehicles in world of fast aiming, pinpoint accurate arties?

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7 hours ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

You don't like 4 gun dep, terrible arc, and a huge lower plate? Weirdo

I don't like losing half my modules and crew, with frequent fires every time someone snapshot me with a derp gun xD

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On 8/31/2017 at 2:04 PM, Fulcrous said:

Circon's impressions are based off of bad players who drove in front of him and let him clip out lol.
His impressions would be the same if something like the AMX 50B was "new".

Honestly, I am enjoying the AMX Foch B, but issues arise from knowing when to clip.

its a 35 reload clip, its about as forgiving as it gets for an autoloader.

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The only problem that FochB really has it that unlike all the other TDs(bar 263)

it doesn't have any long range answers to superheavies like Maus/E100/Type 5, or even IS7/E5.

The APCR loses far too much pen over distance and the pen isn't high to start with.

1 minute ago, BlackAdder said:

@CarbonWard where is SS with 3MOE. Cmon already :serb: 

Im doing the chinese tier 8 TD on EU right now.

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14 hours ago, SchnitzelTruck said:

You don't like 4 gun dep, terrible arc, and a huge lower plate? Weirdo

I will marry 30mm engine deck combined with hull above tracks worse gun than JTs. 

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Personally I rate Foch B higher than ob 263 for a pubbie. Go behind a corner and die with 560 dmg or 6x400? For better players single shot gun should work better (I'd buy Emils asap without autoloaders). 

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10 minutes ago, CarbonWard said:

The only problem that FochB really has it that unlike all the other TDs(bar 263)

it doesn't have any long range answers to superheavies like Maus/E100/Type 5, or even IS7/E5.

The APCR loses far too much pen over distance and the pen isn't high to start with.

Im doing the chinese tier 8 TD on EU right now.

I’ll give you account just for try :D 

APCR is bit low on T10 TD, Grile 15 is like 330 but HEAT. Others are at least 350+

But AC48 and Foch could be beasts now.

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On 8/30/2017 at 9:36 PM, hazzgar said:

Pubs cry it's better than WTF 100

pubs also have strong autism, i wouldn't listen to shit they are saying 

down one ear out the other

 

it has no turret, bad pen, meh alpha, less burst and accuracy then waffle. it's worse then waffle in every way except armor.

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8 minutes ago, KurapikaHxH said:

pubs also have strong autism, i wouldn't listen to shit they are saying 

down one ear out the other

 

it has no turret, bad pen, meh alpha, less burst and accuracy then waffle. it's worse then waffle in every way except armor.

Yeah. The Foch B is mainly limited by its lower height and requirement of lanes. For example, the Foch B is forced, in most scenarios to shoot the LFP of the IS-7 or risk bouncing 1/2 the time by shooting the UFP. The waffle's height enables it to shoot at more convenient "weakspots" (i.e. UFP of IS-7).

10 hours ago, BlackAdder said:

But AC48 and Foch could be beasts now.

One of my friends who hasn't touched the game in years re-installed today to play the T9 Foch. He enjoyed it.

 

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31 minutes ago, Fulcrous said:

 

Yeah. The Foch B is mainly limited by its lower height and requirement of lanes. For example, the Foch B is forced, in most scenarios to shoot the LFP of the IS-7 or risk bouncing 1/2 the time by shooting the UFP. The waffle's height enables it to shoot at more convenient "weakspots" (i.e. UFP of IS-7).

One of my friends who hasn't touched the game in years re-installed today to play the T9 Foch. He enjoyed it.

 

AC48 gave me cancer (maybe this is supercharged with power grind but still) and i think AL on T8 tank could easily wipe T8 tanks in 3/5/7. I might rebuy it when everything settles down. 

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8 hours ago, Fulcrous said:

 

Yeah. The Foch B is mainly limited by its lower height and requirement of lanes. For example, the Foch B is forced, in most scenarios to shoot the LFP of the IS-7 or risk bouncing 1/2 the time by shooting the UFP. The waffle's height enables it to shoot at more convenient "weakspots" (i.e. UFP of IS-7).

One of my friends who hasn't touched the game in years re-installed today to play the T9 Foch. He enjoyed it.

 

Yeah the gun placement gives me cancer. While I agree the tank shouldn't be in the game since yesterday I had a game where I erased 2 full HP is7s 3 mins into the game but then later was useless and dealt only 1k more dmg. WG at it's best - frustrating to play, frustrating to play against. 

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The Foch B is really balanced poorly right now. It's USELESS against STRVs (hello, 120mm gun) and superheavies while being totally OP against anything it can pen. I'd like to see it lose a shell in exchange for 275 AP pen and maybe 340 APCR pen. 257/325 is trash in the current meta.

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IMO it's good that players/CCs like QB are raising an alarm on this thing by showcasing exactly what is kinda broken regarding it (hell, even I, by a sheer stroke of luck, managed about 70% solo WR in it so far - and I'm far from being a good Tier 10 player), maybe that intra-shell reload could be increased to 3.5 seconds and call it a day?

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58 minutes ago, Fedaykin89 said:

IMO it's good that players/CCs like QB are raising an alarm on this thing by showcasing exactly what is kinda broken regarding it (hell, even I, by a sheer stroke of luck, managed about 70% solo WR in it so far - and I'm far from being a good Tier 10 player), maybe that intra-shell reload could be increased to 3.5 seconds and call it a day?

INB4 WG absolutely neuters the Foch B. (Knowing WG it loses a shell, accuracy/bloom nerfs, and overall clip reload nerf). 

As a Foch B/155 owner, here's me spitballing a rebalance idea.

 

Make up a gun for the Foch B, between 120mm and 155mm. IDC, really, but let it overmatch the STRVs. Change to 3 shells x 550 dmg, buff pen to ~280/350  (AP/APCR), and increase inter-clip to 2.75s or 3s. Buff reverse speed (insert overdone French joke here, but seriously it's abysmal at 13kph). Please for the love of God buff the terrain resistance some. Maybe knock a second or two off the overall clip speed.

It will still crap all over tier 8s, but the clip output is reduced. The pen is better so it can better deal with the superheavy meta without pressing '2'. Maybe nerf accuracy to .33/.34 to discourage (but still make viable) long-range sniping.

 

 

 

 

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16 hours ago, FavreFan4ever said:

INB4 WG absolutely neuters the Foch B. (Knowing WG it loses a shell, accuracy/bloom nerfs, and overall clip reload nerf).

well, the LAST time WG touched the Foch 155 they did the following:

- nerfed average damage from 850 to 750 (fair enough, universal Tier X TD nerf)

- did NOT compensate the loss of damage with increased RoF

- removed the 1200 HP engine, left you with a 1000 HP

- nerfed side armor to 40mm thick (so Ruskie 122mm can overmatch, obviously)

- nerfed weakspots (IIRC)

 

Soooo yeah... if WG touches it odds are it will be dead in the water... again

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On 9/29/2017 at 11:03 PM, Fedaykin89 said:

well, the LAST time WG touched the Foch 155 they did the following:

- nerfed average damage from 850 to 750 (fair enough, universal Tier X TD nerf)

- did NOT compensate the loss of damage with increased RoF

- removed the 1200 HP engine, left you with a 1000 HP

- nerfed side armor to 40mm thick (so Ruskie 122mm can overmatch, obviously)

- nerfed weakspots (IIRC)

 

Soooo yeah... if WG touches it odds are it will be dead in the water... again

Nerfing bloom would be bad. The tank is still an absolutely horrible platform and the only redeeming feature is the size of the clip itself. It still missess a lot, the gun is still mounted low, the pen is low, the amrmor is m103 levels. 

 

The biggest problem of the Foch is the total clip potential so that will be nerfed. They should compensate by making it unload the clip faster but also nerf the dpm. 

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6 hours ago, hazzgar said:

Nerfing bloom would be bad. The tank is still an absolutely horrible platform and the only redeeming feature is the size of the clip itself. It still missess a lot, the gun is still mounted low, the pen is low, the amrmor is m103 levels. 

 

The biggest problem of the Foch is the total clip potential so that will be nerfed. They should compensate by making it unload the clip faster but also nerf the dpm. 

I would say a big "no" to that - Skodas have rather low clip potential, yet their ability to unload shot after shot in the blink of an eye (read: before you even have a chance to react properly) is way more unnerving & game breaking than a BC clipping your ass, which takes some time anyhow.

They could leave the clip potential, improve the gun soft stats but nerf intra-shell reload speed, so that you can only assassinate idiots that went full YOLO out in the open or unfortunate souls who have already uses their Repair Kits.

(note that decreasing the clip RoF directly leads to more exposure time, which also translates to the Foch B player having to seek more opportunistic assassinations, rather than not caring so much how many are shooting back at him)

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1 hour ago, Fedaykin89 said:

I would say a big "no" to that - Skodas have rather low clip potential, yet their ability to unload shot after shot in the blink of an eye (read: before you even have a chance to react properly) is way more unnerving & game breaking than a BC clipping your ass, which takes some time anyhow.

They could leave the clip potential, improve the gun soft stats but nerf intra-shell reload speed, so that you can only assassinate idiots that went full YOLO out in the open or unfortunate souls who have already uses their Repair Kits.

(note that decreasing the clip RoF directly leads to more exposure time, which also translates to the Foch B player having to seek more opportunistic assassinations, rather than not caring so much how many are shooting back at him)

Sorry but that is a VERY bad idea since what you are basically saying is a worse Foch 155. Look at the Swede Heavies. 3.3s intraclip and they are horrible when they cant hull down. Soft stats can only help the foch so much given how bad the platform (gun placement, arc and depresion) is.

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