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#1 PTwr

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 04:28 PM

Its agile. 

Its swift.

It got quite low, for German tank, terrain resistance values.

Rolling around with L70 at base 14.29 reload, boasting 1929,15 DPM.

Protected by thin 60mm plate, but sloped enough to reach 90mm effective just at vertical angle at tier where it can actually provide some protection.

It can act as a historical Panther.

And well... its "free" with 100% crew, which can be counted as 5x200 gold (or 40k exp to grind+20k credits, or 53k exp).

 

I will keep it, at least for some time, part of reason is over 60 garage slots, so I even kept T1E6 other is hat it can be Panther that actually can kick collective Soviet asses.


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#2 DarkApostle

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:14 PM

Panther Ausf D in everything bar name. Have been quite impressed with it thus far, although it does see T8 occasionally, managed to bounce a 90mm from a 50t and a T-34-3 at close range.. then died horribly.


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#3 gtpisser

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:28 PM

I think you've convinced me to buy the VK 3001 H before the patch drops.


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#4 MrsmilieyfaceC8

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 05:33 PM

but A-43 with it's awesome pew pew gun, and amazing mobility...

 

 


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 06:18 PM

but A-43 with it's awesome pew pew gun, and amazing mobility...

Yuck. It would require me to buy T-34 again, and grind it again, and I hated it so much that I gold spammed my way at 73% doing only daily doubles. Brrr.

I fought against A-43 and I was far from impressed. For any tank with L70 it is just another target.

Battle was on new Serene Coast. It appears to be great map now, and with just 8 tanks per team it became very big playground.

Sucky A-43 and its sidekick politely followed me right under ARL gun. Enemy 3601 got raped by ELC due to heavy nerf to mobility. Blah, even as gun platform 3002 M is better than 3601 due to higher rate of fire. and, at least seemingly, lower dispersion on move

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I blame different ping (makes difference for long range shot on moving targets) and blind shots for low accuracy. Can't blame the gun nor the tank, that Panther deserves large P.


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#6 DarkApostle

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 06:49 PM

So, what mods to run? I'm running Coated Optics, Rammer and GLD, would this be the norm or drop C/O for Vents?


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 06:53 PM

I'm really looking foward to the 3002M. I love the Panther tank, but was sorely disappointed by how awful the Panther is in this game, not to mention with the Schmalturm and L/100 it looks ridiculous and nothing like a Panther. The 3002M looks like a Panther and plays like a Panther. It's the Panther I've wanted since I first heard about this game.

 

I unlocked the Pz III/IV last night in my grind to the 3001H for the 3002M after grinding through the PzIII for a second time.


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#8 DarkApostle

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Posted 27 August 2013 - 08:00 PM

The Panther isn't so much awful as it's role is rather hard to fill with the low damage per shot it spits out compared to other T7's. I used to love the Panther and was in denial about it being put to T7 and the Panther II being bumped down as well. Nowadays I've accepted it, though haven't played the Panther in nigh on 6 months. With the engine removal next patch it's going to play even more like a 2nd line sniper then before and have little ability to withdraw itself from SNAFU situations I usually find myself in, I.E, on the opposite flank to everyone else fending off a horde of red targets like a man with a six shot revolver, no replacement ammo, and a hallway full of zombies.


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Posted 27 August 2013 - 09:15 PM

So, what mods to run? I'm running Coated Optics, Rammer and GLD, would this be the norm or drop C/O for Vents?

I would run Binocs over Optics, when you need mobility, optics won't help, and when you need view range, then you need to stop for accuracy.anyway.

So I would go with: Rammer, GLD, Binocs. Its sad it can't use Vstab. Just need to pick correct perks then.

It plays a lot like E-50.

-Panther hull for this tier is of heavy weight. With its mobility it can ram for great damage, tho thin armor will result in noticeable backfire.

-A sniper. Its ye old trusty L70. Perfect to lay cover fire when pitched against higher tier.

-not exactly meat shield, but still can sponge some damage if matched as top.

 

So my meta for it would be "be everywhere! move move move! trust your gun, and ram some shitty tanks to death."

 

Sneaky WG, instead of crying about nerfs I am to busy drooling for new toy. Great way to silence players.


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#10 Rastapopey

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 09:44 AM

What do you mean by

 

- its "free" with 100% crew -

 

?


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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:17 AM

What do you mean by

 

- its "free" with 100% crew -

 

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"Free" instead of just Free because you need to have VK 3001 H in garage. If you will count credits for purchasing 3001 and then selling 3001 and 3002 after 8.8 hits you will lose about 200k credits.

Which, on other hand means that for mere 200k you will buy - garage slot and 5x100% crew member trained for VK 3002 M. Thats 300+5x200 gold, 1300 gold, that would equal 520k credits in conversion.

 

Buy back VK 3001 H now, fully upgrade it ("free" VK 3002 M will end in same state as VK 3001 H).

Wait for 8.8

Tier 6 Medium VK 3601 H -> Tier 6 Heavy 3601 H (it sucks, 3002 M is far better)

Tier 6 Medium VK 3001 H -> Tier 5 Heavy VK 3001 H

Free Tier 6 Medium VK 3002 M with 100% crew. 

 

Enjoy:

1. VK 3601 H crew retrained for heavy class, now you can move it to Lowe and sell 3601 as WG managed to destroyed yet another tank.

2. Better version of old tier 5 PzIV with Dath Vader turret. 3001 H will have better MM, more HP and even more penetration on same L70 (PzIV had it with ~130mm), also VK will be able to use (nerfed) Konish.

3. VK 3002 M - the Panther that kick collective soviet asses.


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#12 Aircrewman

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Posted 28 August 2013 - 10:09 PM

/excited.

 

I will have to buy a VK3001H.

 

but I Always like fast, mobile, squishy tanks.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 02:15 AM

VK3001H might be fun, i miss the old PzIV.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:11 AM

Just a question about this bit:

 

 

Buy back VK 3001 H now, fully upgrade it ("free" VK 3002 M will end in same state as VK 3001 H).

 

 

So if my VK30.01(H) has the upgraded tracks, engine, turret, radio and gun my VK30.02M will too? Without any grinding for modules on the VK30.02M? 

 

That's mighty generous of WG.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 05:07 AM

Having an elited 3001H gives you an elited 3002M? Is there a source for that? I just assumed that they would give you the stock tank no matter what your 3001H was fitted like.


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#16 PTwr

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 09:17 AM

Just a question about this bit:

 

 

So if my VK30.01(H) has the upgraded tracks, engine, turret, radio and gun my VK30.02M will too? Without any grinding for modules on the VK30.02M? 

 

That's mighty generous of WG.

 

 

Having an elited 3001H gives you an elited 3002M? Is there a source for that? I just assumed that they would give you the stock tank no matter what your 3001H was fitted like.

 

I can only speak for my own experiences:

 

My VK 3001 H currently have everything except Turret and Tracks. I did not had it in garage when Test came out.

I got:

Researched VK 3001 H as tier 5 Heavy without Turret and Tracks, with addition of new intermediate engine to research.

Researched VK 3002 M as tier 6 Medium without Turret and Tracks

 

On FTR it was stated that garaged 3001 will grant free garage slot with 3002 M with 100% crew inside (just like KV split of 7.3).

 

If it will work same as previous tank splits synonymous modules will stay researched - turret and tracks are easy - its 1 to 1 ratio, but guns, radios and engines are not. However you should already have them all unlocked from playing other panzers. In all cases of KV's split it was top module = top module, easy to name Top in engines and radios, but sometimes hard with gun, but at least L70 = L70 so no worries here.

 

First Phase of test just ended, so we need to wait yet again to see if WG decides to destroy some more tanks with update.


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 11:37 AM

Having an elited 3001H gives you an elited 3002M? Is there a source for that? I just assumed that they would give you the stock tank no matter what your 3001H was fitted like.

 

I expect you'll get the stock tank, but it shares its gun, engine, and radio upgrades with the millions of other tier 6 German meds, and can fit all of them without upgrading the tracks or turret.

 

So not only is it going to be a solid tank, it's going to be one of the easiest "stock" grinds evar!


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:02 PM

LOL.  I'm all for a Panther Ausf D that doesn't burst into flames before it gets to the battle area (or has a catastrophic final drive failure).  From the footage I have seen the 3002M / Panther Ausf D / classic Panther looks like it will be a lot of fun.  I love my collection of German Tier 6 mediums, and while I am sad two are being taken away, I'm happy with the new (free!) Panther.

 

The last free German medium (the VK3002D) was pretty wizard, too.  What is WG doing, giving us fun German tanks?

 

 


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Posted 29 August 2013 - 03:04 PM

2. Better version of old tier 5 PzIV with Dath Vader turret. 3001 H will have better MM, more HP and even more penetration on same L70 (PzIV had it with ~130mm), also VK will be able to use (nerfed) Konish.

 

I believe you are wrong there.

  • Darth Vader turret will be removed. The replacement offers a lot less protection. Hull down should still work though if you are a top tier.
  • Top gun will be the Konische gun which gets an alpha nerf. The L70 is available and comes close stat-wise but the Konische will still be slightly better
  • If I am not mistaken the VK 30.01 H will play like the tier V version of the Tiger H. A heavy that has such crappy armor that it is unsuited to fight up front and instead is relegated to the role of support sniper. But just like the Tiger H it gets an excellent gun that is very well suited for the task.

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Posted 29 August 2013 - 04:46 PM

 

I believe you are wrong there.

  • Darth Vader turret will be removed. The replacement offers a lot less protection. Hull down should still work though if you are a top tier.
  • Top gun will be the Konische gun which gets an alpha nerf. The L70 is available and comes close stat-wise but the Konische will still be slightly better
  • If I am not mistaken the VK 30.01 H will play like the tier V version of the Tiger H. A heavy that has such crappy armor that it is unsuited to fight up front and instead is relegated to the role of support sniper. But just like the Tiger H it gets an excellent gun that is very well suited for the task.

 

1. That is correct, also I nowhere wrote that VK will have Vader, I just wrote (or at least intended to write) that it will be interesting for old Vader Pz lovers. Vader is crappy turret, big flat target. Less armor but in spaced mantlet is more effective.

2. Yup. Thats why I wrote: "also VK will be able to use (nerfed) Konish."

3. Which means it will play like old slow Vader Panzer.

 

 

What is WG doing, giving us fun German tanks?

Public Relations. Anyone worried about E-75 nerf (Test Server is updating right now, I will do math again after its done) is, or at least should be, able to quickly get VK 3001 H and enjoy freebies.

Look at this thread. We all sit here happy of VK 3002 M and ignore poor Maybahs :(

 

 

Also: Freebies were "officially" (WG loves to changes its mind) confirmed.


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