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Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

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Guys m103 being so low means no one plays t9 tds? I don't get how tds stay while m103 goes. I know it's shit but still it can hit shit + has hp. 

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15 minutes ago, hazzgar said:

Guys m103 being so low means no one plays t9 tds? I don't get how tds stay while m103 goes. I know it's shit but still it can hit shit + has hp. 

Welp tbh M103 actually benefitted from the maps and playstyle changes, it's just too clearly outclassed by everything in Tier 9 that totes a 120 mil which accentuates its (perceived) badness. Things like the Jagd or the WZ120 on the other hand are just big tier 8s.

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T-10: 34
AMX M4 51: 34  
T-54: 32 
Conqueror:  32 
Type 4 Heavy: 32
WZ-111 1-4: 31
E50: 31 
E75: 31
AMX 30: 31
T49: 31
T30: 30
T95: 30
M46 Patton: 31
WT Auf Pz. IV: 30
Mauschen: 30
Leopard PTA: 30
RU251: 30 - 3 = 27 Because this is probably the light tank that shows the downfall of light tanking like few others. It was underwhelming back when it was the top of the line, but I loved playing it, due to it's punchy gun, extremely high mobility and very good view range. Now every light is just as fast, has trash gunnery and view range, so not only is it nothing special in it's line of duty, but it also lost all of it's unique advantages and gained nothing in return. A WZ at least gained mobility.
Object 704: 30
Object 263: 30
T-54 LW: 31
Object 430: 30
Object 705: 30
ST-I: 30
Tortoise: 30
Foch: 30
B-C 25t AP: 30
AMX 13 90: 30
Skoda T50: 30
WZ-132A: 30
WZ-120: 30
50TP: 30
STRV 103-0: 30
Standard B: 30
Jagdtiger: 27
Conway: 27
VK4502B: 27
Object 257: 27
T54E1: 24 +1 = 25 Because this tank just clicked. The T69 was an exercise in frustration and I feared the worst, as the T54E1 was more of a sidegrade one tier higher, but I was pleasently surprised. I have yet to have a shit game in this (not counting games that end within 2 minutes due to team incompetence). It shouldn't be good, but it is; at least for me.
Type 61: 27
WZ-111G FT: 27
Emil II: 24 
AMX 50 120: 24
M103: 18
Object 430 V2: 18

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T-10: 34+1 = 35 If I had choose one tank in my garage to keep it would be this
AMX M4 51: 34  
T-54: 33 (per Kolni) 
Conqueror:  32 
Type 4 Heavy: 32
WZ-111 1-4: 31
E50: 31 
E75: 31
AMX 30: 31
T49: 31
T30: 30
T95: 30
M46 Patton: 31
WT Auf Pz. IV: 30
Mauschen: 30
Leopard PTA: 30
RU251: 27
Object 704: 30
Object 263: 30
T-54 LW: 30
Object 430: 30
Object 705: 30
ST-I: 30
Tortoise: 30
Foch: 30
B-C 25t AP: 30
AMX 13 90: 30
Skoda T50: 30
WZ-132A: 30
WZ-120: 30
50TP: 30
STRV 103-0: 30
Standard B: 30
Jagdtiger: 27
Conway: 27
VK4502B: 27
Object 257: 27
T54E1: 25 (per Kolni)
Type 61: 27
WZ-111G FT: 27
Emil II: 24 
AMX 50 120:
24 -3 = 21 All of the disadvantages of the 50B with none of the upside
M103: 18
Object 430 V2: 18

(Adjusted for @Madner Kami and @Kolni)

Most of my favorite tanks are in Tier 9, I have more tier 9s in my garage than any other two tiers combined.

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T-10: 35
AMX M4 51: 34  
T-54: 33 
Conqueror:  32 
Type 4 Heavy: 32
WZ-111 1-4: 31
E50: 31 
E75: 31
AMX 30: 31
T49:
31 + 1 = 32 GO FAST and GET DA BOOTY!!
T30: 30
T95: 30
M46 Patton: 31
WT Auf Pz. IV: 30
Mauschen: 30
Leopard PTA: 30
RU251: 27
Object 704: 30
Object 263: 30
T-54 LW: 30
Object 430: 30
Object 705: 30
ST-I: 30
Tortoise: 30
Foch: 30
B-C 25t AP: 30
AMX 13 90: 30
Skoda T50: 30
WZ-132A: 30
WZ-120: 30
50TP: 30
STRV 103-0: 30
Standard B: 30
Jagdtiger: 27
Conway: 27
VK4502B: 27
Object 257: 27
T54E1: 25
Type 61: 27
WZ-111G FT: 27
Emil II: 24 
AMX 50 120: 21 - 3 = 
18 3.33 sec intra-clip with no armor really kills this for me
M103: 18
Object 430 V2: 18

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I already had Kolni integrated, probably should've made mention, in hindsight. Adjusted now for: @Kolni, @Madner Kami, @Archaic_One and @TheChang

T-10: 35
AMX M4 51: 34  
T-54: 32 
Conqueror:  32 
Type 4 Heavy: 32
WZ-111 1-4: 31
E50: 31 
E75: 31
AMX 30: 31
T49: 32
T30: 30
T95: 30
M46 Patton: 31
WT Auf Pz. IV: 30
Mauschen: 30
Leopard PTA: 30
RU251: 27
Object 704: 30
Object 263: 30
T-54 LW: 31
Object 430: 30
Object 705: 30
ST-I: 30
Tortoise: 30
Foch: 30
B-C 25t AP: 30
AMX 13 90: 30
Skoda T50: 30
WZ-132A: 30
WZ-120: 30
50TP: 30
STRV 103-0: 30
Standard B: 30
Jagdtiger: 27
Conway: 27
VK4502B: 27
Object 257: 27
T54E1: 25
Type 61: 27
WZ-111G FT: 27
Emil II: 24 
AMX 50 120: 18
M103: 18
Object 430 V2: 18

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T-10: 35
AMX M4 51: 34  
T-54: 33 
Conqueror:  32 
Type 4 Heavy: 32
WZ-111 1-4: 31
E50: 31 
E75: 31
AMX 30: 31
T49:
32
T30: 30
T95: 30
M46 Patton: 31
WT Auf Pz. IV: 30
Mauschen: 30
Leopard PTA: 30
RU251: 27
Object 704: 30
Object 263: 30
T-54 LW: 30
Object 430: 30
Object 705: 30
ST-I: 30
Tortoise: 30
Foch: 30
B-C 25t AP: 30
AMX 13 90: 30
Skoda T50: 30
WZ-132A: 30
WZ-120: 30
50TP: 30
STRV 103-0: 30
Standard B: 30

Centurion 7/1: 27 + 1 = 28 Underrated tank IMO, very comfortable, easy to play and has a great gun.
Jagdtiger: 27
Conway: 27
VK4502B: 27
Object 257: 27
T54E1: 25
Type 61: 27
WZ-111G FT: 27
Emil II: 24 
AMX 50 120: 18

M103: 18
Object 430 V2: 18 - 3 = 15 Few months ago a nightmare to deal with, now free damage. SAD!

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1 hour ago, hazzgar said:

Guys m103 being so low means no one plays t9 tds? I don't get how tds stay while m103 goes. I know it's shit but still it can hit shit + has hp. 

take into account these are opinions based on what tanks people have actually played, M103 being placed in a quite popular line means alot of people have played it.

 

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The M103 is not a 'bad' tank.  It just has the misfortune of being a Tier 9 heavy tank and is compared to the 111-14, T-10, Conq, E75, M4 51, etc which are all just silly good tanks.  If you exclude the 50-120 which isn't really a genuine heavy, its hard to say that the M103 is better than any of the tier 9 heavies.

I think the tier 9 TDs will also drop off quickly just because none of them get played much.  TBH, the Skorp G is probably more competitive than any of them.  The T-30 is kind of an outlier, but its a TD in name only.  If all of the TDs were eliminated from this list, it would proceed about the same. 

With so many tanks, the start points should be 20 instead of 30,

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Im so happy the 430 II is getting called out for the big turd it is

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On mobile as well:

T-10: 35 + 1 = 36. Fun to play and a great tank, one of the few tier 9s I kept

Object 430 V2: 15 - 3 = 12. Yeah, its probably one of the only very few tier 9s that you can say it’s objectively just terrible. Should go out first, no doubt

Also @Assassin7 starting points should be 20 IMO, not 30. Back 2 year ago the original elimination threads by Rexxie had 20 starting points, and lets not also forget that Wotlabs was less ded back then, not to mention it still took a good while. None of the tanks are below 10 yet anyway so you could still very well do it

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29 minutes ago, Ham_ said:

Im so happy the 430 II is getting called out for the big turd it is

was one of my favorite tier 9 mediums before the nerf, so under played and under appreciated back then.

now i wouldn't even play it if somebody tired to pay me to.

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1 hour ago, Archaic_One said:

The M103 is not a 'bad' tank.  It just has the misfortune of being a Tier 9 heavy tank and is compared to the 111-14, T-10, Conq, E75, M4 51, etc which are all just silly good tanks.  If you exclude the 50-120 which isn't really a genuine heavy, its hard to say that the M103 is better than any of the tier 9 heavies.

The M103 is currently occupying that wierd space that the pre-buff Conqueror was in. It offers some good things, doesn't really have any glaringly obvious weak traits and thus is mostly a decent vehicle to carry around a good gun. But just not much more. Can't stay alone and fight it out, doesn't offer overwhelming alpha or DPM and is not lightning fast or stealthy. Thus it's just kind of inferior to most mediums, as it's slower and it forces another heavy or superheavy into the enemy team, while your team "just" gets a decent heavium.

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39 minutes ago, Deus__Ex__Machina said:

was one of my favorite tier 9 mediums before the nerf, so under played and under appreciated back then.

now i wouldn't even play it if somebody tired to pay me to.

I got it to grind the T-54 gun but they ended up changing the name too because buy free xp thats why

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I think @Archaic_One and @leggasiini are right.

added Leggas votes, and Decreased all tanks by 10

T-10: 26
AMX M4 51: 24  
T-54: 23 
Conqueror:  22 
Type 4 Heavy: 22
WZ-111 1-4: 2
1
E50: 21 
E75: 21
AMX 30: 21
T49: 2
2
T30: 20
T95: 20
M46 Patton: 21
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Mauschen: 20
Leopard PTA: 20
RU251: 17
Object 704: 20
Object 263: 20
T-54 LW: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 705: 20
ST-I: 20
Tortoise: 20
Foch: 20
B-C 25t AP: 20
AMX 13 90: 20
Skoda T50: 20
WZ-132A: 20
WZ-120: 20
50TP: 20
STRV 103-0: 20
Standard B: 20

Centurion 7/1: 18
Jagdtiger: 17
Conway: 17
VK4502B: 17
Object 257: 17
T54E1: 15
Type 61: 17
WZ-111G FT: 17
Emil II: 14 
AMX 50 120: 8

M103: 8
Object 430 V2: 2

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T-10: 26
AMX M4 51: 24  
T-54: 23 

T49: 22 + 1=23 Best tier 9 LT?

Conqueror:  22 
Type 4 Heavy: 22
WZ-111 1-4: 21
E50: 21 
E75: 21
AMX 30: 21
T30: 20
T95: 20
M46 Patton: 21
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Mauschen: 20
Leopard PTA: 20
RU251: 17
Object 704: 20
Object 263: 20
T-54 LW: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 705: 20
ST-I: 20
Tortoise: 20
Foch: 20
B-C 25t AP: 20
AMX 13 90: 20
Skoda T50: 20
WZ-132A: 20
WZ-120: 20
50TP: 20
STRV 103-0: 20
Standard B: 20
Centurion 7/1: 18
Jagdtiger: 17
Conway: 17
VK4502B: 17
Object 257: 17
T54E1: 15
Type 61: 17
WZ-111G FT: 17
Emil II: 14 
AMX 50 120: 8
M103: 8
Object 430 V2: 2 - 3= put it out of its misery

 

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48 minutes ago, sohojacques said:

T-10: 26
AMX M4 51: 24  
T-54: 23 

T49: 22 + 1=23 Best tier 9 LT?

Conqueror:  22 
Type 4 Heavy: 22
WZ-111 1-4: 21
E50: 21 
E75: 21
AMX 30: 21
T30: 20
T95: 20
M46 Patton: 21
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Mauschen: 20
Leopard PTA: 20
RU251: 17
Object 704: 20
Object 263: 20
T-54 LW: 20
Object 430: 20
Object 705: 20
ST-I: 20
Tortoise: 20
Foch: 20
B-C 25t AP: 20
AMX 13 90: 20
Skoda T50: 20
WZ-132A: 20
WZ-120: 20
50TP: 20
STRV 103-0: 20
Standard B: 20
Centurion 7/1: 18
Jagdtiger: 17
Conway: 17
VK4502B: 17
Object 257: 17
T54E1: 15
Type 61: 17
WZ-111G FT: 17
Emil II: 14 
AMX 50 120: 8
M103: 8
Object 430 V2: 2 - 3= put it out of its misery

 

I'm basing my votes solely on tanks that I've actually played myself, as a disclaimer.  Otherwise I'd probably end up downvoting the M103 too because everyone i know says that tank is utter garbage in current year

 

T-10: 26
AMX M4 51: 24  
T-54: 23 

T49: 23 + 1 = 24 - Best tier 9 in general, no question mark needed.  Hilariously fun with the derp, apparently consistent with high DPM with the small gun (heretics), the only way you'd ever really dislike this tank is if you suck at light tanks.  (I will admit the Skoda T50 was my second choice to +1)

Conqueror:  22 
Type 4 Heavy: 22
WZ-111 1-4: 21
E50: 21 
E75: 21
AMX 30: 21
T30: 20
T95: 20
M46 Patton: 21
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Mauschen: 20
Leopard PTA: 20
RU251: 17
Object 704: 20
Object 263: 20
T-54 LW: 20
Object 430: 20


Object 705: 20 - 3 = 17 - I'm just really not impressed with the tank so far - yes, it's got the punchy IS-7 gun but it also has the garbage IS-7 gun handling, mediocre pen, and on a rear-turreted platform to boot.  The armor is somewhat reliable from a very narrow angle of facing forward but the hull shape seems to make sidescraping a much worse idea compared to the IS-M.  Tier for tier, it's a downgrade IMO.


ST-I: 20
Tortoise: 20
Foch: 20
B-C 25t AP: 20
AMX 13 90: 20
Skoda T50: 20
WZ-132A: 20
WZ-120: 20
50TP: 20
STRV 103-0: 20
Standard B: 20
Centurion 7/1: 18
Jagdtiger: 17
Conway: 17
VK4502B: 17
Object 257: 17
T54E1: 15
Type 61: 17
WZ-111G FT: 17
Emil II: 14 
AMX 50 120: 8
M103: 8

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T-10: 26

AMX M4 51:24
T49: 24
T-54: 23 Conqueror:  22 
Type 4 Heavy: 22
WZ-111 1-4: 21
E50: 21 
E75: 21
AMX 30: 21
T30: 20
T95: 20
M46 Patton: 21
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Mauschen: 20
Leopard PTA: 20
Object 704: 20
Object 263: 20
T-54 LW: 20
Object 430: 20
ST-I: 20
Tortoise: 20
Foch: 20
B-C 25t AP: 20
AMX 13 90: 20
Skoda T50: 20+1=21 I Speedground this tank and still ended up with amazing stats in it. it's super fun. definitely one of the best tier 9's I've played.
WZ-132A: 20
WZ-120: 20
50TP: 20
STRV 103-0: 20
Standard B: 20
Centurion 7/1: 18
Object 705: 17

Jagdtiger: 17
Conway: 17
VK4502B: 17
Object 257: 17
T54E1: 15
Type 61: 17-3=14 One of the worst tier 9's I've played. was bad on release, is even worse now. Think STB-1 but way worst turret, mobility, armor, and gun. take everything that makes the STB1 playable and make it worse. that's this pile of trash.
WZ-111G FT: 17
Emil II: 14 
AMX 50 120: 8
M103: 8

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3 hours ago, PlanetaryGenocide said:

Object 705: 20 - 3 = 17 - I'm just really not impressed with the tank so far - yes, it's got the punchy IS-7 gun but it also has the garbage IS-7 gun handling, mediocre pen, and on a rear-turreted platform to boot.  The armor is somewhat reliable from a very narrow angle of facing forward but the hull shape seems to make sidescraping a much worse idea compared to the IS-M.  Tier for tier, it's a downgrade IMO.

 

u wot m8 IS-7 has best in class bloom

2 hours ago, Tman450 said:

Skoda T50: 20+1=21 I Speedground this tank and still ended up with amazing stats in it. it's super fun. definitely one of the best tier 9's I've played.

Skoda was king around 2 years ago, map + meta changes means you pretty much need to have some armour and good HEAT for the unavoidable frontal engagements that happen all the time, regardless of skill at 'flanking'. Still among the better support tier 9 meds though.

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7 hours ago, Deus__Ex__Machina said:

was one of my favorite tier 9 mediums before the nerf, so under played and under appreciated back then.

now i wouldn't even play it if somebody tired to pay me to.

I really enjoyed the 430v2 before WG decided to rebalance it.  I moth balled it (and the M103) in the off chance Wg changes it back or otherwise raises it from the sewer. 

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23 minutes ago, Fulcrous said:

Some of the +1s on these responses show that WoTLabs is near equivalent to wot forum opinion or flat out out-dated now :serb:

wot forums is split on whether the 430 v2 benefitted from the 'rebalans' tho. wow, the 246 pen is so comfy now, 'the tank was never about the armour', 'best tier 9 medium sniper'. 'it was a good tank and got better'

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one sec

T-10: 26
AMX M4 51:24
T49: 24
T-54: 23 Conqueror:  2
Type 4 Heavy: 22
WZ-111 1-4: 21
E50: 21 
E75: 21
AMX 30: 21
T30: 20
T95: 20
M46 Patton: 21
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Mauschen: 20
Leopard PTA: 20
Object 704: 20
Object 263: 20
T-54 LW: 20
Object 430: 20
ST-I: 20
Tortoise: 20
Foch: 20
B-C 25t AP: 21 (20+1) Its a bat, but at tier 9 almost. Baby bat is a solid autoloader which fairly high clip potential and good mobility. Gun handling is actually better than T10 bat and its still pretty small of a tank. The downsides being the long time it takes to unload the clip but still, its a bat and you can't really go too wrong with one. 
AMX 13 90: 20
Skoda T50: 21 
WZ-132A: 17 (20-3) Worse than the tier 8. Scout tank with no gun essentially, the 110 gun is fucking abysmal on the 110 already, imagine it on a tank that goes 60. 
WZ-120: 20
50TP: 20
STRV 103-0: 20
Standard B: 20
Centurion 7/1: 18
Object 705: 17
Jagdtiger: 17
Conway: 17
VK4502B: 17
Object 257: 17
T54E1: 15
Type 61: 14 
WZ-111G FT: 17
Emil II: 14 
AMX 50 120: 8
M103: 8

Fucking PITA to keep changing all the crap people add on and changing the numbers. 

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41 minutes ago, lavawing said:

wot forums is split on whether the 430 v2 benefitted from the 'rebalans' tho. wow, the 246 pen is so comfy now, 'the tank was never about the armour', 'best tier 9 medium sniper'. 'it was a good tank and got better'

he said +1's meaning tanks people chose as their favorite/best.

@Fulcrous which ones do you think are note worthy of calling out?

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