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Elimination: Tier 9 - 2018

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Adjusted for Kolni's votes

 

T-10: 31

T-54: 27

T49: 25 

WZ-111 1-4: 25

AMX M4 51: 24

Conqueror: 28

E75: 25 

Type 4 Heavy: 23 

AMX 30: 24

E50: 22

Skoda T50: 21

T95: 23 

Leopard PTA: 16 +1 = 17 You guys do realize this thing got a serious buff right?  This ain't 2015 PTA

Object 430: 22   

STRV 103-0: 21

Object 263: 20

WT Auf Pz. IV: 20

Object 704: 20

Tortoise: 20

Mauschen: 20

T30: 20 

50TP: 20

Standard B: 20

Centurion 7/1: 19 

M46 Patton: 20

B-C 25t AP: 18

Jagdtiger: 19

AMX 13 90: 17

ST-I: 17 -3 = 14 Another one of those tanks I'm just not afraid of at all, I literally eat these things in my conq/T-10/E75

Object 257: 17

WZ-132A: 17

WZ-120: 14

Object 705: 17

WZ-111G FT: 8

Conway: 5 

RU 251:  8 

T54E1 : 9

Foch: 8

T-54 LW: 8

Type 61: 8

AMX 50 120: 5

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T-10: 31

T-54: 27

T49: 25 

WZ-111 1-4: 25

AMX M4 51: 24

Conqueror: 28

E75: 25 

Type 4 Heavy: 23 

AMX 30: 24

E50: 22

Skoda T50: 21

T95: 23 

Leopard PTA: 17

Object 430: 22   

STRV 103-0: 21

Object 263: 20

WT Auf Pz. IV: 20

Object 704: 20

Tortoise: 20+1=21 - After the buffs it's really good at killing pubbies. Armor works as intended now and given the DPM and good gun you just drive through them.

Mauschen: 20

T30: 20 

50TP: 20

Standard B: 20

Centurion 7/1: 19 

M46 Patton: 20

B-C 25t AP: 18

Jagdtiger: 19

AMX 13 90: 17

ST-I: 14 

Object 257: 17

WZ-132A: 17

WZ-120: 14

Object 705: 17

WZ-111G FT: 8

Conway: 5-3=2 No armor, huge target, slow turret, huge bloom, not super fast. Fighting with this tank is easier than an overturned t95. 

RU 251:  8 

T54E1 : 9

Foch: 8

T-54 LW: 8

Type 61: 8

AMX 50 120: 5

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T-10: 31

T-54: 27

T49: 25 

WZ-111 1-4: 25

AMX M4 51: 24

Conqueror: 28

E75: 25 25+1= 26 It's amazing that after all these years and all the fucking around with the game WG have done, this thing has survived it all pretty well, meta change, power creep, super heavies....

Type 4 Heavy: 23 

AMX 30: 24

E50: 22

Skoda T50: 21

T95: 23 

Leopard PTA: 17

Object 430: 22   

STRV 103-0: 21

Object 263: 20

WT Auf Pz. IV: 20

Object 704: 20

Tortoise: 21

Mauschen: 20

T30: 20 

50TP: 20

Standard B: 20

Centurion 7/1: 19 

M46 Patton: 20

B-C 25t AP: 18

Jagdtiger: 19

AMX 13 90: 17

ST-I: 14 

Object 257: 17

WZ-132A: 17

WZ-120: 14

Object 705: 17

WZ-111G FT: 8

Conway: 2 2-3= -1 Goodbye you useless at everything tank.

RU 251:  8 

T54E1 : 9

Foch: 8

T-54 LW: 8

Type 61: 8

AMX 50 120: 5

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T-10: 31

T-54: 27

T49: 25 

WZ-111 1-4: 25

AMX M4 51: 24

Conqueror: 28

E75: 26

Type 4 Heavy: 23 

AMX 30: 24

E50: 22

Skoda T50: 21

T95: 23 

Leopard PTA: 17

Object 430: 22   

STRV 103-0: 21

Object 263: 20

WT Auf Pz. IV: 20

Object 704: 20

Tortoise: 21

Mauschen: 20

T30: 20 

50TP: 20

Standard B: 20+1=21 probably the best of the NATO meds RN, combines accuracy, pen with burst damage. Basically an autoloader that trades DPM for not having traditional drawbacks like low pen, size or mobility.

Centurion 7/1: 19 

M46 Patton: 20

B-C 25t AP: 18

Jagdtiger: 19

AMX 13 90: 17

ST-I: 14 

Object 257: 17

WZ-132A: 17

WZ-120: 14

Object 705: 17

WZ-111G FT: 8

Ru251: 8-3=5 useless tank for most matchups, out-and-overmatched by virtually anything with a gun.

T54E1 : 9

Foch: 8

T-54 LW: 8

Type 61: 8

AMX 50 120: 5

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38 minutes ago, zbran said:

E75: 25 25+1= 26 It's amazing that after all these years and all the fucking around with the game WG have done, this thing has survived it all pretty well, meta change, power creep, super heavies....

Sidescraping is immune to pen creep, and 490 alpha will always be relevant.

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T-10: 31

Conqueror: 28

T-54: 27

E75: 26

T49: 25 

WZ-111 1-4: 25

AMX M4 51: 24

AMX 30: 24

Type 4 Heavy: 23 

T95: 23 

E50: 22

Object 430: 22  

Skoda T50: 21 + 1 = 22 One word: synergy. This tank is better than the sum of its parts. Somehow its traits and stats create a combination that... just works. T-54 is propably more meta because of armor, but this one allows you to do dirty, filthy and unimaginable things to pubbies. And I love it.

STRV 103-0: 21

Standard B: 21 

Object 263: 20

WT Auf Pz. IV: 20

Object 704: 20

Tortoise: 21

Mauschen: 20

T30: 20 

50TP: 20

M46 Patton: 20

Centurion 7/1: 19 

Jagdtiger: 19

B-C 25t AP: 18

Leopard PTA: 17

AMX 13 90: 17

Object 257: 17

WZ-132A: 17

Object 705: 17

ST-I: 14 

WZ-120: 14

T54E1 : 9

WZ-111G FT: 8

Foch: 8 - 3 = 5 This thing has absolutely zero fear factor in my eyes. No turret, irrelevant armor, clip that is more of liability than strong side. Trash tier.

T-54 LW: 8

Type 61: 8

AMX 50 120: 5

Ru251: 5 

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T-10: 31

Conqueror: 28 + 1 = 29 Comfy tank. Cheese hull, strong turret, almost soviet gun. Also it looks sexy. 

T-54: 27

E75: 26

T49: 25 

WZ-111 1-4: 25

AMX M4 51: 24

AMX 30: 24

Type 4 Heavy: 23 

T95: 23 

E50: 22

Object 430: 22  

Skoda T50:  22 

STRV 103-0: 21

Standard B: 21 

Object 263: 20

WT Auf Pz. IV: 20

Object 704: 20

Tortoise: 21

Mauschen: 20

T30: 20 

50TP: 20

M46 Patton: 20

Centurion 7/1: 19 

Jagdtiger: 19

B-C 25t AP: 18

Leopard PTA: 17

AMX 13 90: 17

Object 257: 17

WZ-132A: 17

Object 705: 17

ST-I: 14 

WZ-120: 14

T54E1 : 9 - 3 = 6 Used to be tank for skilled players. Without proper penetration and gun handling it's in fact useless when facing super HTs. 

WZ-111G FT: 8

Foch: 5 

T-54 LW: 8

Type 61: 8

AMX 50 120: 5

Ru251: 5 

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T-10: 31

Conqueror: 29

T-54: 27 27+1= 28 The ultimate jack of all trades tank.

E75: 26

T49: 25 

WZ-111 1-4: 25

AMX M4 51: 24

AMX 30: 24

Type 4 Heavy: 23 

T95: 23 

E50: 22

Object 430: 22  

Skoda T50:  22 

STRV 103-0: 21

Standard B: 21 

Object 263: 20

WT Auf Pz. IV: 20

Object 704: 20

Tortoise: 21

Mauschen: 20

T30: 20 

50TP: 20

M46 Patton: 20

Centurion 7/1: 19 

Jagdtiger: 19

B-C 25t AP: 18

Leopard PTA: 17

AMX 13 90: 17

Object 257: 17

WZ-132A: 17

Object 705: 17

ST-I: 14 

WZ-120: 14

T54E1 : 6. 6-3= 3 I'm sorry old friend, there are others on this list worse than you but I've not played them. WG just give this tank a pen buff and make it somewhat viable again! All the other auto loaders do it's job way better than it. What do you guys think it needs buff wise to make it good again?

WZ-111G FT: 8

Foch: 5 

T-54 LW: 8

Type 61: 8

AMX 50 120: 5

Ru251: 5 

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46 minutes ago, zbran said:

 

T54E1 : 6. 6-3= 3 I'm sorry old friend, there are others on this list worse than you but I've not played them. WG just give this tank a pen buff and make it somewhat viable again! All the other auto loaders do it's job way better than it. What do you guys think it needs buff wise to make it good again?

 

Buff the pen to 245/300.

Buffing gun stats is not wg would do since "not in line with other tanks in the line". So they'd probably buff turret armor but I find it boring to create another hull down monster. So maybe 17hp/t and 100 extra hp next to pen buff? 

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Honestly surprised so many people are hating on the Foch over some other stuff, I totally get why but man put full APCR in it and you clip t8s from full and won’t bounce shit and you get two full clips off almost every game for free because of gun+intraclip alone. I thought the autoloader really would make it an easier tank for everyone to play, guess people just never got the same impression from playing it like I did. (It isn’t good, but my impression of it was honestly an average T9)

 

Anyway: 

+1 T-54 - king of T9 - does everything well but make credits, which luckily doesn’t matter at all

-3 WZ-111G FT - the only T9 in the game I just couldnt find myself to enjoy at all at any point of playing it. Dull and bad, lacks character and any variety in TD play. There wasn’t a single situation where this tank made me think ”woah, I’m glad I was playing this tank in this situation and not something else”, no fun no good no upvote

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1 hour ago, zbran said:

T54E1 : 6. 6-3= 3 I'm sorry old friend, there are others on this list worse than you but I've not played them. WG just give this tank a pen buff and make it somewhat viable again! All the other auto loaders do it's job way better than it. What do you guys think it needs buff wise to make it good again?

They can honestly just give it 300 pen heat and it will be fine again, plus it will fit the line perfectly since the T69 and T57 both uses AP/HEAT.

Makes me wonder though, just how bad is the T69 these days? 250 pen HEAT isn't much, but it's still workable at T8.

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26 minutes ago, Kolni said:

Honestly surprised so many people are hating on the Foch over some other stuff, I totally get why but man put full APCR in it and you clip t8s from full and won’t bounce shit and you get two full clips off almost every game for free because of gun+intraclip alone. I thought the autoloader really would make it an easier tank for everyone to play, guess people just never got the same impression from playing it like I did. (It isn’t good, but my impression of it was honestly an average T9)

 

I will admit that I have not played it after the buff but before that the gun was so bad.  Your entire aim circle could be filled with the enemy tank and this gun would find the one, tiny sliver that was empty and that is where the shot would go.  Combine a derpy gun with a mediocre platform and you get the hate.  Even if the buffs made it good, I would still down vote it just for revenge. 

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1 hour ago, Haswell said:

They can honestly just give it 300 pen heat and it will be fine again, plus it will fit the line perfectly since the T69 and T57 both uses AP/HEAT.

Makes me wonder though, just how bad is the T69 these days? 250 pen HEAT isn't much, but it's still workable at T8.

With the amount riot shield HEAT proof armor at the moment in tier 8, Caern AX being the latest, doesn't look too fun even against its own tier.

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1 hour ago, Kolni said:

Honestly surprised so many people are hating on the Foch over some other stuff, I totally get why but man put full APCR in it and you clip t8s from full and won’t bounce shit and you get two full clips off almost every game for free because of gun+intraclip alone. I thought the autoloader really would make it an easier tank for everyone to play, guess people just never got the same impression from playing it like I did. (It isn’t good, but my impression of it was honestly an average T9)

 

Anyway: 

+1 T-54 - king of T9 - does everything well but make credits, which luckily doesn’t matter at all

-3 WZ-111G FT - the only T9 in the game I just couldnt find myself to enjoy at all at any point of playing it. Dull and bad, lacks character and any variety in TD play. There wasn’t a single situation where this tank made me think ”woah, I’m glad I was playing this tank in this situation and not something else”, no fun no good no upvote

It may be average but it being unreliable frustrates people. Also you can mitigate some of the rng in other tanks by using skill. Here it's harder. Plus they are super easy to counter

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2 hours ago, hazzgar said:

It may be average but it being unreliable frustrates people. Also you can mitigate some of the rng in other tanks by using skill. Here it's harder. Plus they are super easy to counter

Yeah, I get why. It's less than the sum of its parts. I just thought (and experienced) that a mobile TD with 1,6k in a fast clip with high pen high gun handling would make it infinitely easier to play, I mean just that alone makes it a pretty decent TD to begin with, even if it'd be open top 0 armour without a turret. The problem I kept running into was overextending (very obvious in the Foch B with two more shells) rather than the tank being bad because you kept greeding for that clip over and over as it got you killed. 

I've always had a fondness for autoloaders and they tend to overperform for me so maybe it's more me than in general but I really didn't get the impression of the tank being either bad, hard to play or too situational. 

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2 minutes ago, Kolni said:

Yeah, I get why. It's less than the sum of its parts. I just thought (and experienced) that a mobile TD with 1,6k in a fast clip with high pen high gun handling would make it infinitely easier to play, I mean just that alone makes it a pretty decent TD to begin with, even if it'd be open top 0 armour without a turret. The problem I kept running into was overextending (very obvious in the Foch B with two more shells) rather than the tank being bad because you kept greeding for that clip over and over as it got you killed. 

I've always had a fondness for autoloaders and they tend to overperform for me so maybe it's more me than in general but I really didn't get the impression of the tank being either bad, hard to play or too situational. 

Autoloaders tend to overperform for me too but the low gun + shit gun arc killed it for me. Felt like shooting from my dick

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T-10: 31
Conqueror: 29
T-54: 29
E75: 26
T49: 25
WZ-111 1-4: 25
AMX M4 51: 24
AMX 30: 24
Type 4 Heavy: 23
T95: 23
E50: 22
Object 430: 22
Skoda T50:  22
STRV 103-0: 21
Standard B: 21 + 1 = 22 Underrated machine, even QB can pull 3k dpg in it. Fast, agile, comfortable, deadly.
Object 263: 20
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Object 704: 20
Tortoise: 21
Mauschen: 20
T30: 20
50TP: 20
M46 Patton: 20
Centurion 7/1: 19
Jagdtiger: 19
B-C 25t AP: 18
Leopard PTA: 17
AMX 13 90: 17
Object 257: 17
WZ-132A: 17
Object 705: 17
ST-I: 14
WZ-120: 14
T54E1 : 3
WZ-111G FT: 5
Foch: 5 
T-54 LW: 8
Type 61: 8
AMX 50 120: 5
Ru251: 5 - 3 = 2 Useless piece of shit without any redeeming qualities. Oh wait, it has a 102 mm pen HE shell, my bad...

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9 hours ago, Kolni said:

Yeah, I get why. It's less than the sum of its parts. I just thought (and experienced) that a mobile TD with 1,6k in a fast clip with high pen high gun handling would make it infinitely easier to play, I mean just that alone makes it a pretty decent TD to begin with, even if it'd be open top 0 armour without a turret. The problem I kept running into was overextending (very obvious in the Foch B with two more shells) rather than the tank being bad because you kept greeding for that clip over and over as it got you killed. 

I've always had a fondness for autoloaders and they tend to overperform for me so maybe it's more me than in general but I really didn't get the impression of the tank being either bad, hard to play or too situational. 

The tank is just a mess of contradicting traits tbh: the camo, large profile, unreliable armour and fixed gun suggest it's better played at range invisible, but the low pen, bad soft stats, unimpressive accuracy and the fact you get a clip means it pretty much needs to be played at somewhat close ranges, ranges at which it will routinely get outmaneuvered by most meds/non-superheavies. 

Full APCR solves the unreliability of the gun somewhat, especially when coupled with food, but that's hugely expensive to play, and the tank is arguably more reliant on APCR than even the 50 120/50B.

I do have to admit that assuming APCR + food, the Foch would be a decent tier 9 TD. However, even then, it has problems with controlling engagements and the mid range game. If the object was winning games (and doing that with minimal strain on my wallet/sanity) I would take the 704/111G FT over it any time of the week.

T-10: 31
Conqueror: 29
T-54: 29
E75: 26
T49: 25
WZ-111 1-4: 25
AMX M4 51: 24
AMX 30: 24
Type 4 Heavy: 23
T95: 23
E50: 22
Object 430: 22
Skoda T50:  22
STRV 103-0: 21
Standard B: 22
Object 263: 20
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Object 704: 20
Tortoise: 21
Mauschen: 20
T30: 20
50TP: 20
M46 Patton: 20
Centurion 7/1: 19
Jagdtiger: 19
B-C 25t AP: 18
Leopard PTA: 17
AMX 13 90: 17
Object 257: 17
WZ-132A: 17
Object 705: 17
ST-I: 14
WZ-120: 14
T54E1 : 3-3=0 autoloaders need high pen or high mobility these days, the 54E1 has neither. The T57 one tier above and the Somua SM one tier below are examples of how to pull off the 54E1's intended role properly, and I'd almost take a Somua on my team than a 54E1.
WZ-111G FT: 5+1=6: has no place sitting at the bottom of the list when light tanks are still in double digits. It's a cross between the T95 and the 704, both of which are sitting comfortably mid/above in the list, and it gets to HEAT pen Maus UFPs ffs.
Foch: 5 
T-54 LW: 8
Type 61: 8
AMX 50 120: 5
Ru251: 2 

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T-10: 31
Conqueror: 29
T-54: 29
E75: 26
T49: 25
WZ-111 1-4: 25
AMX M4 51: 24
AMX 30: 24
Type 4 Heavy: 23
T95: 23
E50: 22
Object 430: 22+1=23 I like to bully things
Skoda T50:  22
STRV 103-0: 21
Standard B: 22
Object 263: 20
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Object 704: 20
Tortoise: 21
Mauschen: 20
T30: 20
50TP: 20
M46 Patton: 20
Centurion 7/1: 19
Jagdtiger: 19
B-C 25t AP: 18
Leopard PTA: 17
AMX 13 90: 17
Object 257: 17
WZ-132A: 17
Object 705: 17
ST-I: 14
WZ-120: 14
WZ-111G FT: 6
Foch: 5 
T-54 LW: 8
Type 61: 8
AMX 50 120: 5
Ru251: 2 -3=-1 It.s a light tank, it's worse than the others on the list

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T-10: 31
Conqueror: 29
T-54: 29
E75: 26
T49: 25 -3 = 22, no idea why this is so high, it's a light tank so is bad anyway and then people use it with that annoying derp which just makes it as annoying a direct fire arty that is fast or an armourless jap heavy, so basically just as cancer, consistently played by morons who get RNG and don't do any spotting or useful light tank work, instead they either snipe or just try yolo drive bys
WZ-111 1-4: 25
AMX M4 51: 24
AMX 30: 24 +1 = 25 One of the best all round meds in the game IMO
Type 4 Heavy: 23
T95: 23
E50: 22

Object 430: 23
Skoda T50:  22
STRV 103-0: 21
Standard B: 22
Object 263: 20
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Object 704: 20
Tortoise: 21
Mauschen: 20
T30: 20
50TP: 20
M46 Patton: 20
Centurion 7/1: 19
Jagdtiger: 19
B-C 25t AP: 18
Leopard PTA: 17
AMX 13 90: 17
Object 257: 17
WZ-132A: 17
Object 705: 17
ST-I: 14
WZ-120: 14
WZ-111G FT: 6
Foch: 5 
T-54 LW: 8
Type 61: 8
AMX 50 120: 5
 

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T-10: 31

Conqueror: 29

T-54: 29

E75: 26

AMX 30: 25 

WZ-111 1-4: 25

AMX M4 51: 24

Type 4 Heavy: 23

T95: 23

Object 430: 23 + 1 = 24 what is stock grind? and why is wz-120 crying?

T49: 22

E50: 22

Skoda T50:  22

Standard B: 22

STRV 103-0: 21

Tortoise: 21 - 3 = 18 My shitter mind cant comprehend how Conway was eliminated before his even more handicaped brother

Object 263: 20

WT Auf Pz. IV: 20

Object 704: 20

Mauschen: 20

T30: 20

50TP: 20

M46 Patton: 20

Centurion 7/1: 19

Jagdtiger: 19

B-C 25t AP: 18

Leopard PTA: 17

AMX 13 90: 17

Object 257: 17

WZ-132A: 17

Object 705: 17

ST-I: 14

WZ-120: 14

T-54 LW: 8

Type 61: 8

WZ-111G FT: 6

Foch: 5 

AMX 50 120: 5

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  • T-10: 31
  • Conqueror: 29
  • T-54: 29
  • E75: 26
  • AMX 30: 25 
  • WZ-111 1-4: 25
  • AMX M4 51: 24
  • Type 4 Heavy: 23
  • T95: 23
  • Object 430: 24
  • T49: 22
  • E50: 22
  • Skoda T50:  22
  • Standard B: 22
  • STRV 103-0: 21
  • Tortoise: 18
  • Object 263: 21 - +1, unnoticed until now it seems but it's still a tier 10 tank at t9
  • WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
  • Object 704: 20
  • Mauschen: 20
  • T30: 20
  • 50TP: 20
  • M46 Patton: 20
  • Centurion 7/1: 19
  • Jagdtiger: 19
  • B-C 25t AP: 18
  • Leopard PTA: 17
  • AMX 13 90: 17
  • Object 257: 17
  • WZ-132A: 17
  • Object 705: 14    -3, u bad lol
  • ST-I: 14
  • WZ-120: 14
  • T-54 LW: 8
  • Type 61: 8
  • WZ-111G FT: 6
  • Foch: 5 
  • AMX 50 120: 5

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4 hours ago, Ozjasz said:

 

Tortoise: 21 - 3 = 18 My shitter mind cant comprehend how Conway was eliminated before his even more handicaped brother

 

You do realize Torty was buffed and now it has working armor?

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  • T-10: 31
  • Conqueror: 29
  • T-54: 29
  • E75: 26 + 1=27 The aim time buff a few patches back made this into a tier 9.5 on city maps
  • AMX 30: 25 
  • WZ-111 1-4: 25
  • AMX M4 51: 24
  • Type 4 Heavy: 23
  • T95: 23
  • Object 430: 24
  • T49: 22
  • E50: 22
  • Skoda T50:  22
  • Standard B: 22
  • STRV 103-0: 21
  • Tortoise: 18
  • Object 263: 21 
  • WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
  • Object 704: 20
  • Mauschen: 20
  • T30: 20
  • 50TP: 20
  • M46 Patton: 20
  • Centurion 7/1: 19
  • Jagdtiger: 19
  • B-C 25t AP: 18
  • Leopard PTA: 17
  • AMX 13 90: 17
  • Object 257: 17
  • WZ-132A: 17 -3 = 14 This is just worse than the T-54 LtWt and the 13-90, not sure why anybody would put it ahead of Ltwt
  • Object 705: 14   
  • ST-I: 14
  • WZ-120: 14
  • T-54 LW: 8
  • Type 61: 8
  • WZ-111G FT: 6
  • Foch: 5 
  • AMX 50 120: 5

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T-10: 31
Conqueror: 29
T-54: 29
E75: 27
AMX 30: 25 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
AMX M4 51: 24
Type 4 Heavy: 23
T95: 23
Object 430: 24
T49: 22
E50: 22
Skoda T50:  22
Standard B: 22
STRV 103-0: 21
Tortoise: 18
Object 263: 21 
WT Auf Pz. IV: 20
Object 704: 20
Mauschen: 20
T30: 20+1=21: either this or the 50TP is the best trading tank in tier, and trading has never been more relevant. Haven't played the 50TP yet, so the T30 it is.
50TP: 20
M46 Patton: 20
Centurion 7/1: 19
Jagdtiger: 19
B-C 25t AP: 18
Leopard PTA: 17
AMX 13 90: 17
Object 257: 17
WZ-132A: 14-3=11. Pretty much worse than the T54 LWT which in turn is worse than the T54. Don't play lights unless they're fun, and this isn't.
Object 705: 14   
ST-I: 14
WZ-120: 14
T-54 LW: 8
Type 61: 8
WZ-111G FT: 6
Foch: 5 
AMX 50 120: 5

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