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Actually, in proper German, Untermenschen. You think you're being cute? Much of my extended family died because of that exact word and the "casual racism" it employs. Fox advises we focus on the "actual issue." What is the actual issue? A new premium tank with good frontal armor? Sir Foch being treated unfairly by WG? WG being a business and trying to make money? You guys getting your panties in a twist because there's a new premium you can't afford to buy or don't want in a game, or someone was mean to your favorite streamer? Sorry, those aren't real issues. Fuck the Chrysle

..."undesirables"...???

Tell that to the Nazis. Your comment was an anti-Semitic slur of the sort that has long been used against Jews, frequently to justify violent action, and that references Jews as an ethnic, and not religious, identity. You weren't suggesting that WG celebrates the Sabbath on Friday night.

It's not closer to a slur....it's all the way there.

Good luck with that...

He may have been lucky, but he was shooting AP. And I was just going by what Fox said, "177.8mm angled at 40 degrees." I thought that he meant effective, not nominal. I know how armor angling works.

Yeah, and the AP round on the Chrysler is 198. So.....

That's what I'm disagreeing with you about. I don't think graphs showing some tanks performing somewhat better than overall average is the issue you seem to think it is. What is the issue exactly? It's certainly not evidence that these tanks are "insta win." And that they aren't that hard to fight does, I think, mean it's not a problem. What is the problem exactly? Maybe you and I get into very different kinds of battles, but mine aren't decided by which team has more Defenders or superheavies. They are decided by which team's players play better. Tempest in a teacup.

I was just watching replays of the tank, to learn a bit about it, and in one, two Chryslers were facing off. One of them kept penning the cupola of the other with AP. The other kept bouncing off the LFP of the first one. Guess who won that battle. Maybe he was lucky, but it didn't seem that hard to do.

Because people are grinding credits to buy their T9 and T10 tanks, not because they're OP.

And yet the Defender is the only one people keep mentioning. What are the other premiums that are so OP? That they are releasing premiums with lower skill floors, I grant you. But after a little bit, people learn how to counter them and those that buy them don't do much better in them. I think the reason we don't see battles with just one tank is because although some tanks are better than others (no argument from me or anyone about that, I suspect), none of the better ones are so much better. I seriously doubt wanting to play multiple classes or get to T10 would dissuade the vast u

But the cupola is pennable.

I get that armor increases survivability, and so is less skill sensitive, but it doesn't guarantee survival. I see plenty of people playing well armored tanks badly and dying early in the battle. I'm sure you do too. What I'm finding hard to swallow is the idea that any tanks offer a "win button." I'd sure buy one if I could find one! I'm not seeing the "vastly supersedes".... The graphs above are interesting. That's the kind of data I was asking for. However, what those show is that bads are still pretty bad even in these "OP" premiums. You have to win more than half your games (

Actually, that's what I'm rejecting, as I said, "speculations" about how some tanks increase WR in the absence of actual data (and I mean meaningful data, gathered over a significant range for a sufficient number of players to actually be representative and predictive). If the evidence is that the Defender has a very high win rate on Vbaddict, then that makes the WZ-132 OP as well, which is just silly.

The people complaining about OP tanks seem to be complaining only about armor. I don't hear anyone talking about any other feature that makes them OP, or fussing about tanks having too much pen (we praise tanks with high pen) or about tanks being too mobile (again, we like those). I just hear fussing about armor. And the Defender is the one usually mentioned. I'm sorry, but I don't find it any harder to fight Defenders than I do other heavy tanks (and certainly not as hard as the high tier Japanese heavies). They have weakspots. Aim! They're not some magical tank that wins games just