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  1. When looking at GB MT line I am annoyed.
    The balance problems are very clear.

    Pen rebalance.
    85mm BM something gun from T-34 85 is removed, but the original gun gets the exact same stats (no change). Alpha is moved to 200.
    Alpha of 76mm & 75mm is increased, tier 6 & below HP is increased. And so your precious 17 pdr can move up in alpha to something like 170.

    Comet (t6) - comparable to E8
    Cent1 (t7) - high dpm, high pen, good handling combination with panther armor (its fine if you decreep pen), stock panther armor
    Cent Early (t8) - current Cent 5/1 with historical turret armor, has handling and a good ROF. Its not historically accurate but, whatever. 
    Cent AX (t9) - it was never a tier X med to begin with. The armor is strong enough to block tier 8/balanced tier 9 gun but nothing else.
    FV 4202 (tX) - this is hard, 4202 doesn't really have much to sell. Unless you make it a kind of british E-50M I can't imagine how you would hack the stats together into a coherent tank.

    Among other things one of the main problems is WG stopped sticking to sane penetration values. Initially penetration of D-10T (for example) was 175 since 175 was pretty good. Like Tiger 1 88/71 with 175 pen. Hence, Persh 90 HV had 170 since it was 'slightly worse' than 88/71.
    L7 is weird. Its firing standard gold and gets 390 alpha? No fucking way. Decreep HP growth and change its alpha to 280 (at most). D-10T hits 320 with AP, 280 with similar shell. D-54 hits for say, 360 but fires 1 km/s AP. Big performance loss vs L7 against vertical armor. 

    So if we go on this tier 8 medium like STA-1 has say, 167 pen like Hellcat does. Although Hellcat pen is also creep, should be lower. Anyway you see which tier which tank belongs to quickly. 
    Tiger 1 in tier 6 is not a bad idea if you think about balance. Since it requires few extremes. But the problem is in tier penetration is excessive. 88/56 used to have what? 132 AP pen? That was balanced for the tier but not against other tier 8.

    In this alternate balance Cent early would be the high point in tier 8 medium pen. It would combine tier 8 medium DPM, high tier 8 penetration, handling, and accuracy, into one mobile British abomination.
    Tier 9 is basically just reselling the previous tank with a "fuck tier 8" kind of turret. Its hard to make British tanks work since the actual things are pretty... Terrible. Even Chieftain is a viable tier X so long as you fake the gun penetration.

    Although this would be a completely different kind of balance.

    Soviet MT tree would become this:

    (T5 onwards)

    T-34 85
    **the HV gun is gone, but the S-53 or so is buffed to take its place, no harm no foul. Decreep pen & DPM in general. T-34 85 would have a steady suspension, delivers solid firepower. Decreeped pen would be say, 132 like 88Kwk36. Since the buffed tank gun would be heavy tank firepower on a fast (but slow to turn) machine, it would be highly effective. Slow to turn is so it can be more different from light tanks.

    T-43/T-44-122 (45mm sides?

    T-44A (maxed is T-44B), D-10T with 320 alpha is big seller. Its a generally well balanced tank with an excellent gun.

    T-54 (w/o 2stab), lack of 2stab inhibits gun handling but its still good. D-10T is good gun also. Ideally the chassis is changed with penetration mechanics or it retains fake armor. Like T-34 85 its slow to turn, but the acceleration and speed are both very good.

    T-62A, anything better is a criminal addition to the game really, Soviet OP pls no bulli. Mating the D-54 with a high end 2stab, armor, and highest in tier medium DPM is a very powerful combo.

    M103/Conq get to be more differentiated, carrying the strongest (TD levels) 12cm guns about. T110E5 of course continues that tradition, so it gets its own selling point.

    Really it becomes too different if you just keep going without brakes. 

    A lot of my thinking would smooth out plenty of tanks. I mean that in a literal way of "their strengths and weaknesses will have less overall spread" or something of that kind.


    I was just reading a British medium article and thought of this again.


    That... And accuracy.

    Edited by Haswell
    Stop breaking the forum
    1. Haswell


      Your thing is too long and stretched the forum main page to 2x its original length.

      I shrunk it. :doge:

    2. Wanderjar


      :wub: Haswell, 

      Diriz0n has his zeros, 0icraftian has his status rants

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