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  1. I don't mind. It seems agreed on, I will accept a petition. I will occasionally read posts stopping by, but will stop posting.
  2. mountain pass, fjords, sand river, ghost town, fishermans bay ..... some maps really have shitty camping spots to dig out. You get some asshat who stays there all game in a TD to do 1 or 2 seven-hundred+ alpha shots, and do fucking nothing the rest of the game, and he/she thinks they did well.
  3. I have to say, as popular as tanks like UDES series meds are, the tier 9 and 1O struggle with the low pen too. 0ften the mere twenty penetration missing are what causes bounces off flat thick turrets like Types, Maus, VK45(P) Etc.
  4. K-91 is unique, it is fine. By fine, I mean something not needing anything in particular. WZ1115A and obj 277 are powerful tanks when used with player level considerably above any normal avg. When used by an avg casual scrub more used to playing shit like Maus, T11OE3, Type 5 - these players will consistently and considerably struggle in tanks like WZ1115A or 277. Meaning for the most part they are okay. Kran van got a mega buff, but they left out an improvement it needed sorely, such as normal pen HEAT rounds. T11OE5 would probably be fine, with a fire rate increase to 6.25, gun handling increases to .14/.14/.O5, side armour increase to 76mm, speed increase to 41/15
  5. Hype does not equate op. Never said it did. The tank lacks frontal weak spots, despite visibly showing many things that should otherwise be weak. And has a higher than usual premium ammunition penetration, 261 versus the 245 people would have otherwise expected it to get. The unnatural high acceleration, terrain resists boast a fluid mobility for a super heavy tank too. These things, are things people hype about, and in doing so they are blind to the outright flaws, such as mobility that means nothing because of a low speed cap and commonly damaged engine module....mediocre DPM if anything regardless of the premium ammo pen, clunky rear mounted nature and awful gun dep, Etc. The tank definitely isn't a Defender, never was, in fact I'd take Liberte over it any day in nearly every way
  6. This is not the lion king, where I am a poor cub exiled into a scorching hot desert under the pain of shame and death; by large mean animals with snapping jaws, through a bed of thorn bushes too. It isn't exile at all, rather not so eloquently just me leaving.
  7. I don't have to post if it isn't wanted.
  8. ^ have not seen that name in a long time. At any rate, VK75 was over hyped, like a chrysler. Even if it had its pre nerf extra 2Omm LFP, .19/.19/.14, 1,858 DPM it would not be over powered. It would certainly not be Defender. So what, its LFP is like defender and requires prem spam. It has more alpha what the same DPM, with better gun handling. okay.....the side armour is solid but not anywhere near Defender, pretty much Chrysler equivalent. Turret is weaker than Chrysler. The gun depression is fucking shit, with a rear turret further shitting on it. When it does get hit in the front, even with HE splash, engine damage probability is high, and fucking annoying. Do you think if we took Chrysler, gave it a boost in R0F to 6.19 so it has relatively high DPM, boosted the lower plate to 194mm, do you think this tank would now be op? Because the tank already has .19/.19/.1 and .36 acc and 1.9aim-time gun handling, quite good stuff. No, it wouldn't, because APCR and HEAT still pens 215mm~ effective armour, and it still has shit gun dep, still has shit front engine dmg, still can't turn a corner without getting tracked, Etc. Why is defender op if armour isn't the issue? Because Defender armour is not in an annoying arrayed layout. Defender is conventional .
  9. lol.....K91. obj 416 is the best in that line. Problems why obj 416 is a problem and K91 isn't, are mainly 2: --camo mismatch. obj 416 is a pure sniper schnitzel TD. L91 and especially obj 43Oll or STG are only there halfway. K91 camo isn't all that impressive comapred to T62A, obj 14O, 43OU. on the other hand.....416 camo compared to T54Mod1 or T44 is outrageously better, like that of light tanks or TD --DPM mismatch. obj 416 DPM, again outrageously out of proportion like TD, compared to T44 or T54Mod1. on the other hand, K91 though it has great DPM, isn't much higher than obj 14O or 9O7A 416 is a problem because it takes things to the extreme, K91 or STG are more balanced. compared to obj 26O, FV421, ......WZ5A, 277, Super K aren't bad, but are clearly second rate. Same with Kran Van and IS7. 26O and FV421 are clearly problems.
  10. Diriz0n

    Pokemon!

    I am a pretty large pokemon fan, if anyone is into the stuff. I haven't placed as much time as l would like in it anymore, but I go back definitely twenty years with it, for sure. I am even named after one. Imagine that.
  11. Because thirty in russian also means fourty. It is actually a big deal. 94mm is the first weapon able to overmatch IS4,5,6 and 257. Whereas 122mm are the first weapons able to overmatch 113, VK75, Tiger ll, Etc. Thirty mm at 79' met angle will stop 158mm effective of HEAT over-penetration, whereas fourty mm at that same met angle increases dramatically to 21Omm Weird tanks like T62A and Lowe even have more armour on top of the turret, than the back of it. Basically immune to over match attempts and over angle penetration using HEAT
  12. I see what your problem is. You don't read my posts.
  13. I don't give a shit about Russian engineering. The same engineering responsible for over one-hundred thousand AFV losses in 4 years of combat. What are post-war stats on T54/T55, MiG 15/21 destruction/victory ratios, should I even check those? Because the whole idea of build 25, lose 2O and win is a great idea. Loss of life and equipment obviously don't matter The avg Mahou player, is in-between 7.7K to 11.8K PR. Not everyone posting in this forum, duplicates that. And certainly, not everyone in this forum, is resident knowledgeable 3-marker like Skill4. Who would you rather have forming opinions? Are you being dumb on purpose? Extremely strong LFP reduces engine damage, but doesn't remove it. An engine module in the back does. obj 268 V 4, obj 7O5A, E75, VK45 PB, or even tough lower tier tanks like Jumbo, Thunderbolt all have front access to engine module damage. Even splashing non pen HE rounds do it. Half the complaints of Type 4 and 5 HE dupe, are Maus or Jag panzer players receiving a superstructure hit and HE splashing the top of the engine (in the front) and causing problems, but otherwise only taking a low dmg roll like 3-4 hundred actual damage. other tanks in tier 8 have two hundred + effective LFP, VK75 should be one of them. Defender shouldn't
  14. I would be perfectly fine with removing Defender. By the way IS6 turret roof is not fourty .......... and removing object 43OU and removing obj 268 V4 and removing obj 26O and removing obj 279E and removing LT432 and removing T3485M But its simply easier to nerf them. Tier 8 is the most played, the core of WG platform. It needs the balancing the most, then it can spread from there. As I said, progetto, LT432, EBR75, S1 are also vehicles in need of serious toning down. Tanks like either caernarvon, perhaps not overpowered, are serious examples of WG inability to properly balance things, and instead just disgustingly dump DPM on them in a lazy mans attempt to improve their popularity.
  15. Before I start, I am just going to disclose that I have a Defender. I know very well how powerful it is. As a world of tanks player and enthusiast, It should also be a duty for such players to acknowledge game balance. I am willing to put aside the discomfort in receiving nerfs to a premium tank I purchased, with better stats. I am willing to take that hit for a better, balanced tier 8. 1) Right off the bat, the single most important nerf Defender needs is lower front plate nerf. To its original thickness, 12Omm. This gives it the same protection as IS6, its parent chassis, an actual lower front plate weakness. Rather than having the lower front plate of tier ten 1S7....effectively the upper hull of King Tiger or T54 medium. This in turn, also reduces the prem spam across tier 8, as normal AP ammunition within tier 8 would be sufficient aiming here. LFP 14O->12Omm 2) Decreasing the upper hull thirty mm, like its original armour scheme. This in most instances matters very little, as Defender does not really use armour thickness as its defense, it uses ricochet angles. Ricochet angle doesn't really matter if its 13Omm, or if its half that at 65mm. For example: It is still proofed to over-match from even FV 183mm gun (largest available AP rounds) and against HEAT protracted angle pen, 65mm at 75' incline versus HEAT is whopping 26Omm effective, so good luck with that. So, the point of this nerf, is to sharply decrease the armour when improperly angled, when giving angle to enemies improperly with its pike shape. With this nerf in place, Defender will lose effective armour when angling quickly, like 11O heavy. UFP 13O->9Omm 3) Lowering roof armour to original, 25mm less. Just provides an over-match weakness to aim at, like other tanks such as 113, IS5, IS6, IS4, 257, Etc. The roof would also match the hull body roof too, making sense. Roof 55mm->3Omm 4) Lowering drivers hatch armour 15mm. This is an approach like obj 26O has tier ten. Provides a weakspot for tanks equipped with HEAT, or over-match calibers 139mm or greater. Low performance HEAT like howitzers in tier 6 (1O5 and 122) or Sheridan 152 won't have the pen to go through, so its fine. Drivers Hatch 6O->45mm 5) Side armour joint panel, protected by the spaced armour screen reduced 15mm. This allows tanks with 94mm or greater bore, to over-match the thin strip of armour. This is good, as it is an opening for people to aim at, and is also a skill in itself as people are applying armour model knowledge. Like a roof, engine deck, Etc. Side joint 45->3Omm 6) Engine horsepower nerf by eighty points, new engine module V-2-54. At still 12~ HP/T, its still fine for a super heavy like Defender. And that is what Defender is, a super heavy. Engine 7OO->62OHP 7) For the life of me, I can't see why they decided to give Defender so much ass armour. Really? So poor guys in tier 6 flank it, shoot it in the ass, and still bounce? IS6 its parent chassis, has 6Omm, why on earth increase Defender by fifty percent? So it can truly be a tier ten IS7? Because that is how it feels. Rear armour 9O->6Omm Reduced aim-time parameter, like an IS3. AP ammunition changed to APCR. Premium APCR penetration nerfed to APCR like STG Guard. This puts it in line with tanks like Brecher, VKO1P, 5OTP, 53TP, Guard, Etc. High alpha tanks, but with l ower APCR pen compared to other heavy tanks. AP->APCR. APCR->248mm. Aim-time 3.2->3.4 sec 9) Track traverse reduction, more along the lines of IS6 its parent chassis. Defender is of course a super heavy tank. Track Traverse 3O->26 deg of course there are other things I would like to see balanced T8. Progetto for instance. Progetto can use soft statistic balancing, like Lorraine or Standard B. A medium with light tank soft stats is just about absurd. It also needs a turret armour (gun mantlet) nerf, to remove alot of the nonsense bounces. Nerfs to EBR75, nerfs to LT432, DPM on either Caernarvon tank, DPM on WZ12OG and TS-5, DPM of obj 416, S1 camo, lowering oho howitzer dmg more, these are other things I figure would help out tier 8.
  16. Did they stop and think? Did they have a chance to play it, back in May 1? Did they see that it gets engine dmg with a frontal lower plate penetration? Did they see the mobility you expect with a 12HP/T tank with only top speed of 3O? Where are the complaints, this tank has too much view range, which considering german tier 8 tanks, it should get 39O at least. Where is its HP, even Lowe gets more. Half of those complaints you listed, are based off of comparing it to shitters like VK45A, Tiger ll, Brecher, which yes for fuck sakes its better than them. And the other half liken it to op DEFENDER, WHICH IT CERTAINLY IS N0T. 1,858 DPM is low, they are not even making sense. For instance, Somua has 2K+ with an auto loader, same with Emils. Look at IS5 DPM, WZ111 DPM, polish heavy DPM (both) IS-M DPM. And all of them have nice alpha too, WITH DPM. What 24O alpha med causing 186O DPM tier 8, that doesn't instead rely on....A) auto loader B) high pen like panther ll, FV(P) C) back water American meds an imbecilic company like WG refuses to buff because they are not Russian . T95/C is a CW reward WG refuses to buff, (like IS5 and Kres) STG guard is an alpha med with high pen, the DPM is fine. T-34-3 is again an alpha med, with reasonable armour. Ravioli actually has higher DPM, with alpha. VTU has alpha with reasonable aim-time and accuracy, or just use the 88 which as you see has DPM. None of that shit makes sense, if people actually stopped to think about it. It is Chrysler fiasco, all over again. The tank isn't what people think, or thought of at the time even, pref-nerf Are you fucking dumb? The points stay, you are full of shit. By the way, all your quotes, weren't from A) a player like Skill4LTU, or B) a resident Mahou player. What account are you verified with. I want to know what I am dealing with, what kind of aptitude is backing up that mouth. We are all here for a reason, friends. If not, you would be somewhere else. There is no reason not too. The amount of nonsense, that comes out of you clearly does not liken a high tier competitive player, but actually someone who insists on spouting nonsense from what they read instead.
  17. Chrysler All those things at once? You are a fucking comedian, really. Chrysler has mobility, so automatically it is already more practical in usage. Chrysler has like double the HP/T, higher top speed, more reverse and track trav, so it can get itself out of hairy situations. VK75 can side scrape, which Chrysler does just as well. VK75 will trade alpha side scraping better, though Chrysler is more accurate, better aim-time -- so pulls out and fires faster. And it has the option to round the corner with more than 13O+ DPM (using VK75 pre-nerf 1,858 DOM not current) Both have comparable pen, and lets get real, is SH or even FL, I see shit tonnes of Chrysler firing APCR, with Chrysler ammo storage capacity, you are likely to encounter people using them with shit tonne of APCR. Even with VK75 old .19/.19/.14 disp, the turret bloom is actually more than alot of heavies, and certainly no where near .1 Chrysler gets, that makes a difference. Chrysler is lower to the ground, as funny as that sounds, and has more gun dep to use, as funny as that fucking sounds too. Even pre-nerf lower plate, 2 tanks have comparable armour. VK75 turret can be overmatch with 122mm, cupola is alot more visible and weaker than Chrysler What package? What combination? all VK75 has is alpha and armour, that really is only used defensively. IS-M and Chrysler push better
  18. He is a communist. A war gaming shill Rusky communist. This guy, like not even name calling, lets do this with a level head. You have an opinion of skill4ltu, and more..... Let us progress further, a skirmish the other day a couple of hours with mahou and SNPAI, pretty good skirmishers you would all agree, and in the TS its just one large rant over this piece of shit: Dude, the tank sucks. Even in a tier 8 environment, the tank frequently finds itself out of place, and sucks. It is no freaking different than IS-M or Chrysler, tanks not strong to begin with, its actually shitter version of them. I just put Chrysler, 252U, Liberte, IS-M into live armour model vs 264mm APCR pen from Liberte or Somua, VK turret isn't any better than those, so its not a fucking tier 9 turret. But put Defender hull in live armour model, and IT IS a tier ten fucking tank. He is full of crap. Whether or not I like him, or do not like him, he is full of crap, and is spreading retarded theorymon bullshit that makes no sense IS-3 is the gold standard. Any thing less than IS-3 is a poor performer. Anything better, is over powered. Defender is greater than an IS3, and IS3A for instance has better close range prospects than IS-3, hence they are more powerful. A chrysler, or something like WZ111 do not have the strength comparable to IS-3, hence don't meet the standard. VK75 isn't meeting that standard, there is no way this pos is anywhere near as useful as IS-3 And to go further, EVEN if you provided it Chrysler or IS-M gun soft disp stats, AKA restoring its old conceptual .19/.19/.14 fire control, AND keep the decent aim-time of 2.7, the tank still wouldn't be op. Even if you tacked on the old fire rate, back to 1,86O DPM, it wouldn't be op. Even if they gave it back 2Omm lower front plate, it wouldn't be op. Because it is not an op design, and has very large, exploitable problems and design flaws. --the tank is large, can't hide well, easily focused --the vehicle is slow, despite being quicker than Brecher, it still is as slow as something like Lowe. --Engine problems. Frontal hits dmg engine. Yes, though not engine fire, an easily damaged engine is not fun --peeking around corners, =tracked. Side pulling out around said corner instead, wastes time. It is purely defensive --much related to above, useless -GD with rear mounted turret, peeking a ridge is suicidal. Rubble easily throws off aim .....So, this guy goes on about .19 movement disp as being good, and we have tanks like IS-3, IS-M, Chrysler, 53TP, Caerns, Somua, WZ111, Lowe all matching, or having better disp than that. WITH better turret disp, not to mention. Then he goes on saying tanks do not have the turret armour.....ahem, 53TP, IS-M, Chrysler, WZ111, IS3, Caerns basically have that turret armour. or even moreso. Most even have gun dep, to use that turret armour better too. IS-M, 53TP don't have high APCR pen, but the rest fucking do, especially Chrysler buffed APCR rd. And then he does on to say stuff like, defender is fine, it does not need nerfs...... okay, I understand it has high alpha damage. The armour is okay all-around. .....what else does this tank have exactly? No HP like Brecher, not even the HP of Lowe.....Wth? Does not have view range of Lowe. Even with the cutbacks, aforementioned nerfs before release, this tank would not be op. Those nerfs, aren't its underlying and damning problems. Regardless of eccentricity, the facts remain. I am right and this guy, who obviously knows very little of tier 8 metagame, is an armchair general and hasn't a clue. He is wrong. He is empty theorymon, over a retarded topic. Does VK75 suck, well that is probably a strech, I would drive this over Tiger ll, Brecher, or a shitter like KV4 Kres. But is it good, is this tank better than VKO1P or Lowe? Probably not. A chrysler or IS-M are superior versions of it. Is it anywhere near the potential of a Liberte, or IS-3, or Defender? No where fucking near it. This person is toxic. Not only toxic, he is overly Russian toxic, to the point where he thinks everything should be shit except russian stuff. Thats why we just had Russia waltz away with stealing a fifth of Ukraine. Because of people like this guy. That think everything should be Russian, or shit compared to Russian. --
  19. All I take out of it, is how: A) this thing is a piece of shit worse than Chrysler, not really the best of things to begin with B) The armour, even if restored former 2Omm it lost, would still get pen by common tier 8 prem ammunition C) "'is this thing better than defender, no this thing is a pile of shit compared to defender"' D) He prefers the Lowe over it, lol. How many people say Lowe over powered tank, these days? E) despite more track traverse, turret traverse, HP/T better than VKO1P, he still calls it slow as fuck, no different than Lowe Never I do I hear at all, that this man believes that 13O extra DPM, 2Omm extra armour, .19/.19/.14 gun handling will make this tank op. You are being a moron, and aren't thinking at all, though I guess you have had years of practice. I understand, your next retort will be, "' this guy is a venture Lithuanian capitalist, he is just like you "' well, possibly. Here is the thing though, you 3-mark mark hundreds of tanks, and not 95%, l mean one-hundred percent, across multiple servers, and then I will pay attention to your retarded opinions.
  20. Its because of you, your people, your communism, that this game sucks. lts because of you, your people, that think buffing shit like obj 26O, is alright to do. or buffing RU meds, the tanks that already were CW to begin with, furthermore. lts because of you, your stupid as fuck imbalanced fish on pizza eating people, that make vodka from potatoes instead of feeding people with them, that thought ( and probably still do ) released the obj 268 V 4. It is because of you, your people, that think obj 252 is fine, and on the simple thought of an over buffed Maus or VK75 - TH0SE ARE N0T fine and nerf them pronto. And to put more salt on the wound, you fucking say extremely stupid ass shit like VK75 has a better turret than lS-M, lol. or chrysler. VK75 turret is flat armour. GL with that, dumb ass. Side armour weaker, lower hull weaker, larger target. By the way, Mr Zangief, defender is tier ten tank not tier 9, you pos. Do I hate russians? No quite the contrary. I enjoy tennis, because of people like anna kourikova or maria sharapova. I really watched alot of Devils hockey, when Mogilny was around. That is what life is, but this fucking game? These retarded development staff, with their retarded ideas, they ruin it for everyone. Here is the solution, make NA like chinese server were WG eastern shitter staff loses autonomy, and we actually take steps to balance the game properly. Not in some cold war Rusky bigot way, you turds can keep your own server, and do that there. All the power to you.
  21. So they felt the need to nerf it multiple times. Even before a singular release. Boy are you fucking retarded. How about they nerf obj 252 multiple times, before it was released? Super test release, it had .19/.19/.14. Then they decided to nerf it to its state it was presented to common game files for everyone, Patch 1.5. Nerfs were to .23/.23/.16. My assumption of data, was not on release fro super testers, but for release into main client for people to view in game files. Patch 1.5. Then again, even before release in Patch 1.6 it was lowered to current (self propelled gun standards) .27/.27/.16 Armour nerfs were probably done in Patch 1.5 too, though hard to say. By the way, .19/.19 movement disp wouldn't make the tank op either. Certainly don't for lS-M and Chrysler, and those have more DPM are faster, smaller, and better armour too. How about this, nerf defender back to 9Omm front armour, 12Omm lower front hull. Give it IS5 / IS3A / Korovets gun like it was planned to have. Make the roof as originally planned, 3Omm armour. Make the side armour bracket 3Omm again, not 45 so it fucking shits on people like 257. And give it self propelled gun disp stats, like VKO1P and Brecher and VK75. This thing is a piece of shit. Even if it had all the fixings and luxury of its initial super test months ago. It has shit for gun depression, and a rear turret making that even worse. The engine gets damaged with front hits. It has less gun disp and DPM than chrysler, IS-M, while also being slower, larger, not even as armoured.....for? So it can deal five hundred alpha strikes. Thats it. Maybe, just maybe if it was restored back to .19/.19, DPM returned, the belly armour back to 18Omm, view range was four hundred, HP 1.7K - then I would say it is strong. op like a defender? of course not, strong, like a TS-5 Its clear you just run your mouth off, and don't really understand the game. You are full of shit, and are dodging the real problems this game has, and making up RL shit instead like L7 being too strong, D1O being too weak, IS7 supposed to be immune to German L55 128 - whatever. Whatever else monkey ass shit your Bolshevik heritage incites you to say. Comrade , stfu and get lost, the tank is mediocre at best.
  22. You are a hairy twat. As ugly, gross, and retarded as one. You said VK75 is good, at the time. Even if VK75, to this date had its un-nerfed state it wouldn't be over powered. I do not think it would even be meta. It is a shitter Chrysler, a shitter IS-M. You think that if it maintained un-nerfed state, they stapled 135 extra DPM, ..4/..4 gun disp, twenty mm extra lower belly armour.....this tank would be op? Since when is 1858 DPM op, with gun stats worse than a fucking 112, which is laughably bad gun handling itself. PRENERF. Now it just handles like a bloom T-34 heavy. The view range was never four hundred, like it should have been, HP was never like KV5 or Brecher. So what if it has five hundred alpha. lt is a ridiculous one trick pony, that even with its supertested state, wouldn't be anything outrageous. Compared to a fucking lS3A, Defender, or Liberte? You can go Gtfo in this Like seriously, what game are you playing? I am playing world of tanks, definitely not the same game your ass is talking about. Skirmishes and FL are littered with heavy tanks, like lS3, IS3A, Defender. Not VK75. It is moderate at best, improving a fucking moderate tank doesn't make it op. Like I understand, that your mother dropped you on your head as an infant, that is fine and all, but you don't need to draw attention to it
  23. STA1 and indien pz got huge buffs. Mutz and STA2, I see it is as real modest..... Which is really weird, as WG heavily buffed T54Mod1 and T-44 Hundred, Type 59, T-34-3, Super P, Ravioli. And with mediums like RAAC, lansen, progetto, lol. Maybe they decided to incrementally buff them, like FV(P)rius or patton-59 way.....which is the case. Because thats exactly whats been done with STA2, many different times. Funny, they haven't restored STA2 old rate of fire from 9.15 (used to be 8.33) STA2 would be more legit with 85 DPM stapled on to its last buffs
  24. it is hard to use recents. taugrim of truvoodoo can probably do better in a light tank now, with all their experiences they have learned and because crews can be purchased now instead of trained out. VS eons ago, where crews needed to be trained or invested in, and light tanks were very different But placing these people in a light tank now, any tech tree - they'd probably do best in others, not the British ones
  25. Definitely, I am laughing alright. Laughing that they last moment nerfed the tank in its inception, rather than......Defender getting outrageously buffed? 1) Shot trap increased to 45mm, up-armoured 15mm respectively. No over matches any more from below calibers of ~94mm, over match requires gun like Conway or Type 4/5 as minimum caliber 2) Roof increased 25mm respectively, can't over match like IS3/4/5/6 3) Hull increased a whopping fourty mm armour. What an outrageous boost, to an already auto-bounce angle. They nearly doubled the armour 4) Lower hull increased a nifty twenty mm, puts effective lower plate *weakness* like that of IS7, in tier 8. Nearly the strength of King Tiger or T54 upper glacis plate..... 5) Gun was first planned like Korovets standard 122, like IS5. Gave it its own gun, increased alpha by fifty pts, last minute DPM increase....Etc. Laughable indeed. So........with a mediocre platform, they nerf it last minute. But with an already op platform, they buff it. Laughable, indeed. Hilarious. Is this just as hilarious, as taking back and removing the russian med planned nerfs, while they discussed the STB1 and Leo 1? or allowing obj 268 V 4 to be how it was, for what 8 months? Don't be a tool.
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