Abominations – Artillery vs Premium Ammunition by Pompous

[rocketbrainsurgeon 1,043]

This is for discussing Abominations – Artillery vs Premium Ammunition by Pompous

[CarbonatedPork 1,585]

There is absolutely nothing more infuriating than duking it out with someone mano-e-mano and then getting blasted by a 2000 HP arty shell. It's a bit like participating in a playground fight surrounded by onlookers and one of them jumping out of the crowd to sucker punch you.

[Garbad 10,517]

Fuck arty with a spintered broom handle.

[Owlcat1993 3]

Pretty much, yeah. For every time I've been dug out by arty when hull-down camping in my T32 there are at least two other occasions in which RNG lovingly guides a hail mary artillery shell into the engine deck of my tank when brawling or trying to make an offensive play.

[StranaMechty 2,539]

Agree with Pompous here. I'm not terribly fond of the present state of artillery (I made the damn movie, after all), but it is a tool that exists and not using it, or denigrating others for using it, is foolish and makes you a scrub by the traditional definition.

[Garbad 10,517]

Agree with Pompous here. I'm not terribly fond of the present state of artillery (I made the damn movie, after all), but it is a tool that exists and not using it, or denigrating others for using it, is foolish and makes you a scrub by the traditional definition.

Sirlin is perhaps the most misapplied retard in the history of gaming.  You can boil Sirlin down to this:  When playing in a tournament, do whatever cheap tricks you can to win.  Well durr.  There is a reason why G runs arty in tournaments, and there is also a reason why we all universally hate and shame arty.

[Folterknecht 2,257]

 

click!

[StranaMechty 2,539]

 

Sirlin is perhaps the most misapplied retard in the history of gaming.  You can boil Sirlin down to this:  When playing in a tournament, do whatever cheap tricks you can to win.  Well durr.  There is a reason why G runs arty in tournaments, and there is also a reason why we all universally hate and shame arty.

 

Hating the mechanic is fine, hating the people with the good sense to use the mechanic is childish.

[Garbad 10,517]

 

 

 

Hating the mechanic is fine, hating the people with the good sense to use the mechanic is childish.

 

I hate people who piss in the street because they make the world worse for everyone.  How is hating people who knowingly make tanks worse for everyone any different?  They SHOULD be shamed and abused until we find a way to ban them.

[StranaMechty 2,539]

I hate people who piss in the street because they make the world worse for everyone.  How is hating people who knowingly make tanks worse for everyone any different?

 

What a stunningly stupid metaphor.

[Garbad 10,517]

What a stunningly stupid metaphor.

Sky shitters ~= street pissers.  Both make life worse for everyone else because they can't go home and play single player.

[StranaMechty 2,539]

Sky shitters ~= street pissers.  Both make life worse for everyone else because they can't go home and play single player.

 

You know that has zero relevance beyond the shallowest and most meaningless of equivalencies, much like we know you are unwilling or incapable of objectively discussing the topic.

[Garbad 10,517]

You know that has zero relevance beyond the shallowest and most meaningless of equivalencies, much like we know you are unwilling or incapable of objectively discussing the topic.

Play2win has become the rallying cry for every retard who wants to grief.  That's not what he said, nor would it matter at all if some writer thinks griefing to win is a legitimate tactic.  We are not professionals playing for our life or money.  We are gamers, and that means we SHOULD be interested in competition and fun.  Arty shits on both of those, and accordingly, should be shamed until its removed.  Everyone knows this, so take your "play2win" shit and shove it up your ass.

[CarbonatedPork 1,585]

Idea: stop balancing arty evenly on teams. One side gets arty, the other side gets useful tanks.

[Garbad 10,517]

Idea: stop balancing arty evenly on teams. One side gets arty, the other side gets useful tanks.

They tried this -- the sky cancer won so much it clearly demonstrated how OP arty was.  One team with the ability to project cancer anywhere and force camping while the other gets to play normally is stupidly broken.  That's the whole reason sky cancer got divided equally, so everyone could suffer.

[CarbonatedPork 1,585]

They tried this -- the sky cancer won so much it clearly demonstrated how OP arty was.  One team with the ability to project cancer anywhere and force camping while the other gets to play normally is stupidly broken.  That's the whole reason sky cancer got divided equally, so everyone could suffer.

Welp.

 

Give them ridiculous weights, too? Like... one arty on your team gets you more bottom tier tank?

 

I've got nothing. Arty is griefing at its finest. It's getting worse for me as my overall goes up, too.

[Ollie Tabooger 614]

The issue with arty, and why it doesn't make you a scrub to not use it, is that except for a few ones (*cough*FV304*cough*), it's not OP per se, as it can't carry games, influence the decisions of enemies like it used to, or fire often and hit consistently to do damage, but rather broken. What do I mean by that? More or less, that it doesn't fit into the rest of the game mechanics, and no matter how hard you nerf it, someone's always going to use it as a crutch, since it does, objectively, take less skill to do well in, for the following reasons:

1. It relies on RNG to hit

2. It removes the danger of being in a firing position

3. It removes the need for a direct Line of Sight like other tanks

4. It doesn't require any tactics besides forethought and target leading, very basic ones in normal tanks

It's not fun to play or to play against, since it's more or less a high alpha RNG lottery. Perhaps the best analogy would be to say that the REAL game is a boxing match, and arty is the game's version of the referee saying "We're going to have this guy poke you in the side with a stick at inopportune moments while you're boxing. Oh, and you can't do anything back to him". It really is just bad game design on all levels.

tl;dr REMOVE_ARTY_FROM_THE_GAME

[SoliDeoGloria 417]

THAT COMMENTARY THO

I JUST LOST A SHITLOAD OF MONEY

[Garbad 10,517]

Welp.

 

Give them ridiculous weights, too? Like... one arty on your team gets you more bottom tier tank?

 

I've got nothing. Arty is griefing at its finest. It's getting worse for me as my overall goes up, too.

The solution is removal.  WG has spent far too much time trying to make a turd stink less already.  No matter what, it is throwing good money after bad on a feature that will always make the game worse.

[OOPMan 1,266]

The solution is removal.  WG has spent far too much time trying to make a turd stink less already.  No matter what, it is throwing good money after bad on a feature that will always make the game worse.

 

WG will never do this so suggesting that they do is pointless even if it is logically the best thing they could do.

 

At least the arty in WTGF isn't as completely annoying, although it's still tedious.

 

The only things I can think are:

• Make counter-arty especially viable and let the arty players fuck each other up the ass all day long
• Nerf EVERY parameter of arty. A lot. Like, 10x.
• Add stuff into the client which shames you for playing arty. No one likes getting mocked by the game they're playing :-)

[Garbad 10,517]

 

WG will never do this so suggesting that they do is pointless even if it is logically the best thing they could do.

 

At least the arty in WTGF isn't as completely annoying, although it's still tedious.

 

The only things I can think are:

• Make counter-arty especially viable and let the arty players fuck each other up the ass all day long
• Nerf EVERY parameter of arty. A lot. Like, 10x.
• Add stuff into the client which shames you for playing arty. No one likes getting mocked by the game they're playing :-)

 

WG also said they would never reduce tier spread.  Then along came warthunder.  Just remember -- WG wants your money a lot more than you want to give it to them.  If they fail to please, someone else will happily step up.

[Methos 7]

They should just make World of Tanks single player so I never have the ability to hate arty and the player who plays it.

I'd probably still hate arty though.

[Garbad 10,517]

They should just make World of Tanks single player so I never have the ability to hate arty and the player who plays it.

I'd probably still hate arty though.

The sad thing is a single player game AI would vastly improve the quality of competition most of the time.

[Dlur 2,350]

The sad thing is a single player game AI would vastly improve the quality of competition most of the time.

Sadly some of the new bot programs being used on the EU server are better at playing the game than most 49% winrate or less players.

[MaxL_1023 1,295]

Make arty shells follow realistic trajectories. Straight up, but 30 second flight time. Anyone stupid enough to not move at all in that much time deserves it.