The new meta and the T110E5: Diamond amongst the rocks? Or just simple salt?

[JuiceQuadre 28]

There is some text among those pictures?  

Sry im probably too slow. What do you mean?

It's now undoubtedly a huge armor buff. You can bully tier8/9 without even hiding your LFP and tier 10 will struggle to pen as soon as you hide your LFP.

http://tanks.gg/en/wot/t110e5#tab:model.compare:obj-140

http://test.tanks.gg/en/wot/t110e5#tab:model.compare:obj-140

 

Holy shit i hope it stays this way. I dont care about balance im just gonna play my E5.

[no_name_cro 2,034]

Sry im probably too slow. What do you mean?

"TL;DR everything except the tumor and that 127mm plate is incredibly well armored now."

"V2 is actually:

UFP = 300
Cupola = 260
LFP = 200+"

"The turret in SD was 178mm for all of the front, with up to 254mm on the mantlet, but in HD, the turret is now 254mm-190mm from the front.  Even a max roll pen from tier 10 TD HEAT won't pen that.  If anything, the turret front is more sloped, not less.  The mantlet is now also 304mm thick at its best, with only a negligible weakspot thrown in.
 
The side hull bulge for the turret ring got turned into spaced armor with the usual side armor behind it, so that's also a buff.  The driver's hatch went from getting autopenned by anything 120mm or bigger to being invincible.  It's the thickest part of the tank now for some reason.  The turret ring itself became smaller and more sloped, while still staying 203mm thick.  The UFP got a 190mm zone for where the old 140mm zone began.  Slopes stay the same.
 
LFP got buffed from 114mm to 127-152mm, so it now effectively has the old T110E3 LFP, though the 127mm area is as effective as before.  And no, the beak is not smaller.  The thin part near the bottom corners was removed, so now the weakest area is the aforementioned 127mm square.
 
The side hull is no longer has the 44mm zone by the drive wheel.  The 76mm slope on the side was increased by 9° so it is up to 47°.
 
The tumor itself is the only place that may have been a nerf, but even then, I could just as easily argue it's a buff.  The armor was changing from 178mm to 228mm, so no more tier 8 and 9 meds penning you there.  The tumor itself also seems to be a smaller target.  However, it also lost the nub where the MG popped out, so that's one less place for RNG bounces to happen.  Either way, gold ammo would be the best way to reliably pen it there."

[Politx_Killer 803]

I'm now glad I ground out the E5 on my NA account. 

 

Cheers fellas for the detailed breakdown of the HD model.

[SFC_Storm 58]

Apparently they will "fix" armor in next round of test, as in current state it's not "historical".

Lol I love that they made the tank from drawings and then say its "Not Historical"

INRL it would have glass armor and be only 110mm thick for UFP, but thats at 66 degrees and with glass its basically 50% increase in KE and 200+% vs HEAT

 

Also it isnt Egg shaped INRL, it had a flat plate. They basically got lazy and used the M48/M103 style shape instead of a straight hull.

[engineered 499]

From Rita' blog. http://ritastatusreport.blogspot.ca/2015/08/t110e5-armor-099-vs-0910-test-2.html

[PityFool 7,737]

BRB REINSTALLING TENKS

[CarbonWard 3,529]

Current E5 against 340mm pen HEAT

 Test server E4 vs 340mm HEAT

 

uwotm8? 

[no_name_cro 2,034]

  

[Sipher351 241]

 Test server E4 vs 340mm HEAT

E4 thread is that way ------>

 

Seriously, I think this buff is being overblown. I don't see it being that game changing of a buff. But then, better is better so I guess I'll take it.

[JuiceQuadre 28]

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Yea i was really slow, i didnt identify your previous post correctly, i thought it was just a link to ritas blog, didnt catch that it was also a link to another wotlabs thread. Thx mate

Everyone needs to stfu about it being a big buff, or they wont do it..   And i want them to do it

[Rexxie 10,789]

Seriously, I think this buff is being overblown. I don't see it being that game changing of a buff. But then, better is better so I guess I'll take it.

Imagine if your opponents only had a 40% chance to pen your cupola with AP. That's pretty big!

[no_name_cro 2,034]

Seriously, I think this buff is being overblown. I don't see it being that game changing of a buff. But then, better is better so I guess I'll take it.

Because it was supposed be nerfed hard in round one. Then it turns out to be a solid buff.

[MacusFlash 2,270]

Just wait for proper rebalance in 9.11.

[SFC_Storm 58]

Current E5 against 340mm pen HEAT

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 Test server E4 vs 340mm HEAT

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uwotm8? 

How did you get this program/ feature? I want to play around with it.

[CarbonWard 3,529]

How did you get this program/ feature? I want to play around with it.

http://tanks.gg/en/wot/list

 

http://test.tanks.gg/en/wot/list

 

[_Assad 3,538]

Imagine if your opponents only had a 40% chance to pen your cupola with AP. That's pretty big!

yesterday i penned many E5s cupolas with 183 imo that shouldn't happen as often as it should. 230 pen with the new turret model should be 5/10 at the very most.

Edit tested on test server and on 5 occasions I only penned once. rip

[Sipher351 241]

Imagine if your opponents only had a 40% chance to pen your cupola with AP. That's pretty big!

That is nice, but I never really had problems with the tumor. I always have problems with the LFP or just getting artied. I just need to accept that this tank and I were not meant to be.

[SFC_Storm 58]

That is nice, but I never really had problems with the tumor. I always have problems with the LFP or just getting artied. I just need to accept that this tank and I were not meant to be.

Whats not to like? It IMO is the 140/62a of the heavies. Fast, railgun bloom and aimtime, and solid front armor with great acceleration. Its almost as good as best in class tanks in almost all areas.

City maps im fine and open maps im fine. Lol it even has similar camo to my m60, but 60 is the worst in class.

 

What dont you like about it? I have noticed guys who prefer meds only dislike the tank as its slow. If you just keep reminding yourself your a pocket heavy its impressive what it can do. Im sure you know this.

My favorite thing is in the new meta of funnels, its just medium like enough to get oppurtunistic kills while having enough armor to bounce often. Also the  -8 is just a huge asset.

[Sipher351 241]

Whats not to like? It IMO is the 140/62a of the heavies. Fast, railgun bloom and aimtime, and solid front armor with great acceleration. Its almost as good as best in class tanks in almost all areas.

City maps im fine and open maps im fine. Lol it even has similar camo to my m60, but 60 is the worst in class.

 

What dont you like about it? I have noticed guys who prefer meds only dislike the tank as its slow. If you just keep reminding yourself your a pocket heavy its impressive what it can do. Im sure you know this.

My favorite thing is in the new meta of funnels, its just medium like enough to get oppurtunistic kills while having enough armor to bounce often. Also the  -8 is just a huge asset.

First of all, Murica tank without -10 degrees is just sad panda for me. I dunno, I just get the worst RNG in this thing. I had an E-100 pen my turret front about 3 mm off the side of the mantlet with AP one time on a full on snap shot. Sure the gun is nice, but I don't seem to be able to live long enough to use it most of the time. Things sneeze at my LFP and pen it, and apparently my wasd keys don't work like everyone else's. I don't blame the E5 though, I'm pretty sure it's either me, or a combo of me and this tank. 

[no_name_cro 2,034]

First of all, Murica tank without -10 degrees is just sad panda for me. I dunno, I just get the worst RNG in this thing. I had an E-100 pen my turret front about 3 mm off the side of the mantlet with AP one time on a full on snap shot. Sure the gun is nice, but I don't seem to be able to live long enough to use it most of the time. Things sneeze at my LFP and pen it, and apparently my wasd keys don't work like everyone else's. I don't blame the E5 though, I'm pretty sure it's either me, or a combo of me and this tank. 

I have same thing in IS7, everyone keeps telling me that it's great and I struggle to preform. 

[Golem501 173]

First of all, Murica tank without -10 degrees is just sad panda for me. I dunno, I just get the worst RNG in this thing. I had an E-100 pen my turret front about 3 mm off the side of the mantlet with AP one time on a full on snap shot. Sure the gun is nice, but I don't seem to be able to live long enough to use it most of the time. Things sneeze at my LFP and pen it, and apparently my wasd keys don't work like everyone else's. I don't blame the E5 though, I'm pretty sure it's either me, or a combo of me and this tank. 

I am a scrub player. Greenish if I am calm enough... I liked the M103 and everything that came before but the E5 I am not feeling either. But I have blamed tier 10 battles for a while.... I just don't have the mindset for it yet I think. Also since I am not actually "gaining anything" by playing the tank and I am not really having fun... it's parked in my garage and I only take it out for platoons (which I don't do often) and I grind my other tanks.

I am pretty sure it's something I do though, I tunnel too much and that is not something I want to change in games where an "oops" costs me 20k credits and costs players a tier 10 game... so playing other tanks like 13 90 and at the moment T-43 and Tiger 2 hopefully will make me a better player first. 

[Pompous 301]

I have same thing in IS7, everyone keeps telling me that it's great and I struggle to preform. 

As someone who just yesterday got frontally penned by an IS3 AP round in the hull, and frontal (10-15 degrees off my gun) turret penned by IS-4 AP while in my IS7, I feel you bro.

[hallo1994 603]

Why I'm seeing less E5 in clam wars?

[Sipher351 241]

Why I'm seeing less E5 in clam wars?

Right now, mediums have better guns, IS-7s are just as mobile and actually can bounce some things frontally, and if you need a brick you bring an E-100. There's just no place for the E5 because for the most part mediums or the IS-7 can sub for its niche role just as well. Post buff though, the armor may be enough to overpower mediums in critical zones of the map, so it may see a resurgence as a specific counter to medium groups. 

[CarbonWard 3,529]

E5 in the current meta is just not specialized enough to do anything.

Is7 is better as shocktroopers.

215B is much better in trading hitpoints and flexing in city maps.

 

You can still bring 2-3 as a reflex force, but you won't see it being the main focus of any strategy.

 

 

But this new E5 though, 260 minimum effective armor on a globed hatch, this can easily go up to 270-280 when the E5 is using its full depression. this is E100's frontal turret effective armor btw, and thats the minimum value at the weakest strip. I don't play CW anymore to know what this will do to the meta, but for pubs, this is certifiably insane.