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TTGL is the only mecha anime I'll ever need. Well, maybe a bit of the Geass battles on the side too. Gurren SEITEN ftw!

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full metal panic didn't make any fucking sense, was the anime based on something or whatever? Because it was just like... what the fuck why did they suddenly go to this in that episode after this episode, and why is this the climax and what who is he why do I care about him and blah blah blah.

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full metal panic didn't make any fucking sense, was the anime based on something or whatever? Because it was just like... what the fuck why did they suddenly go to this in that episode after this episode, and why is this the climax and what who is he why do I care about him and blah blah blah.

 

I don't think it was an anime that was intended to be taken too seriously.  If Gundam is a serious WoT battle, Full Metal Panic is when everyone goes to Siegfried Line in order to glitch their ELC into flying.

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I don't think it was an anime that was intended to be taken too seriously.  If Gundam is a serious WoT battle, Full Metal Panic is when everyone goes to Siegfried Line in order to glitch their ELC into flying.

 

That's one idea I had... but... the tone, the style, the... everything hinted otherwise. I know the second season had a bunch of giant teddy bears as a SWAT team or something, so that makes it quite clear that it's silly. But the first season had none of that stuff, it appeared to have every intent to be taken seriously.

 

That said, it's been a long time since I watched it.

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...everyone goes to Siegfried Line in order to glitch their ELC into flying.

 

How now? I must know this.

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full metal panic didn't make any fucking sense, was the anime based on something or whatever? Because it was just like... what the fuck why did they suddenly go to this in that episode after this episode, and why is this the climax and what who is he why do I care about him and blah blah blah.

 

Full Metal Panic was based on, at that point in time, a light novel series.  If I would pick a genre that the LNs followed, it was techno-thriller, about a world where super-science (palladium-powered carrier subs and humanoid mecha) was true but only due to the existence of special individuals called the 'Whispered', but its author Shouji Gatou can't resist putting in some silly stuff to offset the darker aspects of the story. 

 

Many of the funny sidestories that didn't get put into the first FMP series by GONZO eventually got animated by Kyoto Animation as FMP: Fumoffu.  Extremely funny stuff, even now, but tangential to the mecha aspect of the series, as it focuses on the school life of Chidori and Sousuke, plus the romance aspect.  Well worth it for the comedy alone.

 

The third series, Second Raid, is also animated by Kyoto Animation, but generally found poor reception due to the fact that it got EXTREMELY serious, to the point people were wondering if they were watching the same series.  The franchise's animated history ends here, pretty much, and it's a running gag now how we'll never see the animated end of the series (the LN series ended about two years ago) since KyoAni always finds itself too busy to do anything about the franchise.

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How now? I must know this.

 

You used to be able to do it by driving into one of the bunkers when physics was first introduced, but they fixed it.  People would make training rooms for the sole purpose of driving their ELCs into bunkers and flying their ELCs across the map.  That's the kind of feeling I got from FMP, I suppose.

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Guntonk is the best tonk

Cannot wait for valvrave 2nd season.

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The problem with Valvrave is that, in the end, it's a Sunrise series, and they didn't bring their best writing team for this.  See how a VERY serious issue that would have raised hell in any other show gets brushed off casually with a "eh, it's not your fault, really!"

 

It's pretty much an anime you mostly laugh at rather than laugh with, with moments of brilliance.

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Vvv is so bad is good anime

I don't care about story. As long I having fun. Is good anime

RIP your PM inbox.

Don't worry I am here to protect my clanmates :3

Luckily for better or worse daigensui is not herr

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Yes, Rettousei suffers from siscon/incest service, sadly.  A sad development in modern LN trends, I'm afraid.

 

As for Berserk, neither is accurate -- the manga is a Seinen series, basically aimed at young adults, and the anime (the three new movies included) is classified as such.  Hence it gets away with a whole lot of violence and other unsavory stuff.

 

Eroge is just shorthand for any visual novel that involves some amount of erotic material in it.

Actually, 'eroge' is a blanket term for all VNs

 

 

Also, if I see any other screenshot of an eroge Visual Novel whether or not there is porn in the screenshot or not, I will throw this thread out and perma-ban far and wide. Do not promote that irredeemable trash here. 

 

 

what the fuck, get that shit out of here

 

Sorry, I didn't know people draw such a clear divide between anime and VN :(

I bet if I hide the text box (yes there's a button to hide it) and the menu bar, no one would be any the wiser...

 

Just thought that the scene I just read was sweet :/

"ま、マジよ。だから、佑斗は私だけを見ていなさい。" simply translates to "Yes, seriously. So Yuuto, please look only at me".

Totally clean, nothing suggestive at all.

 

 

Anyway, I won't be sharing any more images from VNs in the future.

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Eroge is not a blanket term for all VNs except to those who only jerk off to them, just because the market got shit on due to its audience being made up of idiots who run non-eroge publishers out of business does not mean publishers like Cyber Front don't exist. Much to the fanbase's chagrin.

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See this is the reason why I never bring up Ro-Kyu-Bu in polite conversation.

 

holy shit that season 1 OVA man....

 

 

The hentai content in FSN was stupid filler fanservice, no use and only interwoven loosely with the plot for justifying its existence. Fate/stay night is terrible anyway, stock characters, the two leads are boring, completely uninteresting and have no actual characterization other than the forcing of a relationship in every arc. It is made out of bad pacing, going from action sequences to hideously overdrawn exposition fast enough to give you whiplash, including the Great Wall of Exposition built by Archer in the second arc which single-handedly killing all pace, sympathy or likability of both Shirou and Archer in one fell swoop, all momentum and emotions are gone, all reason for anybody doing anything is vaporized. The third arc is a rape arc featuring penis worms because "SYMBOLISM", as well as consisting of some of the most contrived and laughable 'turns of character' I have seen in a long time.

 

You want something good that has an unfortunate amount of porn in it? Try the same author, but back one release.

yup exactly my thoughts. The hentai content in FSN was completely not needed - it feels so forced in. Saber needs mana, ok there.

 

 

 

 

 

@worstpoaster_na - that to love ru: darkness scene was so win :3

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Eroge is not a blanket term for all VNs except to those who only jerk off to them, just because the market got shit on due to its audience being made up of idiots who run non-eroge publishers out of business does not mean publishers like Cyber Front don't exist. Much to the fanbase's chagrin.

 

Actually, it is the blanket term. I probably will never understand your hate for these 'jerks' who make up a significant portion of the consumer base, but I will stick to using 'eroge' as the general term. Reason being, there is no other less-ecchi sounding terms in Japanese. This post about the word 'eroge' sums it up pretty nicely: http://omochikaeri.wordpress.com/eroge/

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Your fandom is walking a fine line and is about ready to be removed from this forum for good. From what I've gathered, you don't want to be the person that triggers this as your peers will murder you for it. I imagine Nisa will prolly come at you bro irl which would be the pretty scary.

 

Keep it clean and abide by our rules, or piss off. This is a forum for tanks, not a forum for under age cartoon girls boys girls eating dubiously shaped ice cream.

yeh m8 ill wrek em i sware on me mum

 

See this is the reason why I never bring up Ro-Kyu-Bu in polite conversation.

 

So yeah, let's lay off the blantantly sexual fanservice anime.  Though I have to wonder where this puts series like Free! which was clearly made with girls like me in mind.

 

Oh my.
 

 

I've seen a few, just because there are so many of them.  I did enjoy Code Geass despite what the haters say (does that count?).  Macross had some groundbreaking animation for its time (that awesome missile spam),

watched CG for the political plot not quite a fan of mecha but it helped make things interesting so why not.
While Macross was definitely prettier,I didn't enjoy it as much CG,the music made it pretty cool though(yeah I'm a fagyt).
 

Anyone play Dracu-Riot! ?  :D it'll be getting a full english patch by 9th Sept

 

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Wrong place,wrong time.

 

Quick question, how do you guys balance your time between anime and tanks? I find myself watching more and more anime and playing less and less of tanks...   =-

I usually watch clear a season or two in a marathon and stop watching for weeks/months and spend it on tanks instead,once I start to burn out of tanks/other games,I watch animu till I want to actually do shit.

 

I'll follow the rule of not posting screenshots, but I have to respectfully disagree that it's "irredeemable trash."  I too used to think anything with eroge scenes in it is automatically bad, then I stumbled upon something called Fate/Stay Night.

 

The anime adaptation of F/SN cuts out the H scenes, but it also cuts out some of the finer points of the story.  The naughty bits only take up a small percentage of the Visual Novel, and the rest is not so bad, in my opinion.  It's certainly nothing like Highschool DxD.

 

Solono educated me on F/SN and I pulled a  "aw nigga no you didn't" smile the moment you used the worse example possible for Solono (to my limited knowledge).
Though I must say I did enjoy F/Z.

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yup exactly my thoughts. The hentai content in FSN was completely not needed - it feels so forced in. Saber needs mana, ok there.

 

It was a lost opportunity, particularly in that scene, because when you are dealing with mystical and magical forces. It could have easily led to say, Saber and Shirou doing a ritual which requires trusting one another, or being put in a position of discomfort for both then they learn about each other or learn about what forces are at work against them, helping both the characters and the reader at the same time grasp what they are working toward/against, help Shirou and Saber grow, perhaps for a budding romantic relationship or just to build a bond, that adds depth and meaning. Instead, we get a threesome with the loosest of plot justifications thrown in, scene adds nothing to the story, it actually detracts because it simply fulfills that VN stereotype of "sex solves everything", which is present in every single God damn arc of Fate/stay Night. Yes, even the rape arc, where having sex with a rape-torture victim somehow causes her to... become ultimately evil? Now that I think about what was the point of the Sakura sex scene other than literally to throw in some porn.  Again, it could have easily been replaced with something meaningful. On that note, thinking about her character, why didn't she just kill herself? If she knew she was going to become an evil bastion of magic, why not, during your fleeting sanity, just end your life? That would have fit with the theme and the character more than what she did. Incredibly bad non-logic at work.

 

 

Actually, it is the blanket term. I probably will never understand your hate for these 'jerks' who make up a significant portion of the consumer base, but I will stick to using 'eroge' as the general term. Reason being, there is no other less-ecchi sounding terms in Japanese. This post about the word 'eroge' sums it up pretty nicely: http://omochikaeri.wordpress.com/eroge/

 

 

You can stick to it all you want, As long as companies make Visual Novels without pornographic content is not an apt term, no matter what the masturbation squad thinks. Also, the Visual Novel fanbase is the most aggressively stupid fanbase for anything I have ever seen, I have never seen people come together determined to kill companies (See: Hirameki for the sterling example) who don't produce porn and let the medium go to waste. Don't forget the crying about 'censorship' and 'expression' to vaguely hide the fact the only reason they care is because they have a lump in their pants.

 

There is not a single redeeming quality in the Visual Novel fanbase, they are the lowest common denominator of anime fans.

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You can stick to it all you want, As long as companies make Visual Novels without pornographic content is not an apt term, no matter what the masturbation squad thinks. Also, the Visual Novel fanbase is the most aggressively stupid fanbase for anything I have ever seen, I have never seen people come together determined to kill companies (See: Hirameki for the sterling example) who don't produce porn and let the medium go to waste. Don't forget the crying about 'censorship' and 'expression' to vaguely hide the fact the only reason they care is because they have a lump in their pants.

 

There is not a single redeeming quality in the Visual Novel fanbase, they are the lowest common denominator of anime fans.

 

Went to read up about Hirameki on google, though I couldn't find much.

 

Anyway, in Japan, it's not only Visual Novel fans who are crazy enough to think/plan/attempt to kill a company. Pop idol group managers, anime writers, or even arcade game makers have likewise been threatened online/via hate mail. Just read 2ch; it's everywhere and everyday. The more serious/drawn out cases either get reported to the police or end up on tabloid sites then get the police's attention. 

 

I dunno about outside of Japan, but censorship has been there for so long that I never (maybe I read too little) seen any discussion about it.

 

Anyway, back to topic. I still think this cool-looking chara from kamisama has gotten too little screentime D:

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@Kraft and rrw, I watched 5cm/s. It was really powerful, just like After Story, except without the happy ending.

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Kinda depressing especially considering I just finished watching GTO.

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Altorax: The last third of 5cm/s, right in the heart guys.  Amusingly while Shinkai himself confirms that they don't get together again, there's enough in the "changing trains/closing doors" sequence for watchers to interpret a more upbeat ending for them.

 

His newest movie is short, but really nice too.  Very understated.

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The manga is slightly happier ending. Go read it if you want.

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Went to read up about Hirameki on google, though I couldn't find much.

 

Anyway, in Japan, it's not only Visual Novel fans who are crazy enough to think/plan/attempt to kill a company. Pop idol group managers, anime writers, or even arcade game makers have likewise been threatened online/via hate mail. Just read 2ch; it's everywhere and everyday. The more serious/drawn out cases either get reported to the police or end up on tabloid sites then get the police's attention. 

 

I dunno about outside of Japan, but censorship has been there for so long that I never (maybe I read too little) seen any discussion about it.

 

1) You won't find much out about Hirameki since their site was hosed but, fortunately, I got to witness its death first hand. It was by the fanbase, mostly those who cried $15 was too much and then spammed their forum with torrent links. They also got shit on for a bunch of superficial reasons, all of which hid the actual agenda; they didn't translate eroge. So the fanbase went out of its way to punish them. Also, it wasn't that they attempted, it was they they succeeded and Hirameki went out if business. The sales figures for JAST/Peach Princess/etc. are also so shockingly bad it is hilarious (One of the most popular games sold 5,000 units, no typo) and they translate eroges, they all would have gone under had translating the parent company's main source of income.

 

2) The censorship issue outside of Japan involves law, mostly certain depictions have to be altered to stop people from going to jail. The majority of this deals with loli content. Worth mentioning is one of the people who cried the hardest about artistic integrity and expression, to the point of being involved in a translation group, got busted at an airport for having a suitcase full of hardcore loli material. Again, it tells you exactly what the fanbase cares about.

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1) You won't find much out about Hirameki since their site was hosed but, fortunately, I got to witness its death first hand. It was by the fanbase, mostly those who cried $15 was too much and then spammed their forum with torrent links. They also got shit on for a bunch of superficial reasons, all of which hid the actual agenda; they didn't translate eroge. So the fanbase went out of its way to punish them. Also, it wasn't that they attempted, it was they they succeeded and Hirameki went out if business. The sales figures for JAST/Peach Princess/etc. are also so shockingly bad it is hilarious (One of the most popular games sold 5,000 units, no typo) and they translate eroges, they all would have gone under had translating the parent company's main source of income.

 

I haven't heard of this Hirameki, but I was able to find an old thread using a quick Google search: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/bbs/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=47180

 

It looks like there's another issue: quality control.  Not a lot of people are hardcore enough fans to pay for a translation that is inferior to what is usually released for free.  People are really spoiled if they got used to getting free stuff through the internet (and that includes me), but it's also understandable that they don't want to pay for a product that might not e-honoUr the original source material with a sufficient quality translation.

 

 

 

2) The censorship issue outside of Japan involves law, mostly certain depictions have to be altered to stop people from going to jail. The majority of this deals with loli content. Worth mentioning is one of the people who cried the hardest about artistic integrity and expression, to the point of being involved in a translation group, got busted at an airport for having a suitcase full of hardcore loli material. Again, it tells you exactly what the fanbase cares about.

 

When I think "American censorship," I think anime characters getting cigarettes replaced with lollipops.  That's not required by law, is it?

 

 

Also, Steins;Gate is an example of a decently popular non-eroge VN, correct? just wondering.

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1) You won't find much out about Hirameki since their site was hosed but, fortunately, I got to witness its death first hand. It was by the fanbase, mostly those who cried $15 was too much and then spammed their forum with torrent links. They also got shit on for a bunch of superficial reasons, all of which hid the actual agenda; they didn't translate eroge. So the fanbase went out of its way to punish them. Also, it wasn't that they attempted, it was they they succeeded and Hirameki went out if business. The sales figures for JAST/Peach Princess/etc. are also so shockingly bad it is hilarious (One of the most popular games sold 5,000 units, no typo) and they translate eroges, they all would have gone under had translating the parent company's main source of income.

 

2) The censorship issue outside of Japan involves law, mostly certain depictions have to be altered to stop people from going to jail. The majority of this deals with loli content. Worth mentioning is one of the people who cried the hardest about artistic integrity and expression, to the point of being involved in a translation group, got busted at an airport for having a suitcase full of hardcore loli material. Again, it tells you exactly what the fanbase cares about.

 

I find $15 to be pretty reasonable to pay for a translated + imported game, but sadly most people would not agree to stuff they would have gotten free otherwise (see point 2 below). Also, though I say I find it reasonable, I have never bought a translated VN or anime; only the raw ones.

 

But it puzzles me as to why would people target Hirameki just because they don't translate eroge... at that point of the controversy, surely there were already fan translated eroge around? Besides, there's always the staff issue that limits how much/fast a company can translate. It sounds completely insane, yes.

Anyway I managed to find some info on Hirameki after trawling through several pages of Google. Okay, so they basically took those H-scenes out from the original VNs with them. I don't find any problems with their decision, but this is kinda different from "Not wanting to translate H-scenes". This is more towards "Removing H-scenes from games".

 

While H-scenes generally don't require any graded level of Japanese to understand, I believe that those who were un-supportive basically just didn't buy and perhaps spread untrue propaganda. Even if it's because of legal issues, I feel that their closure is not fully due to internet rumours -- if there were people genuinely interested in buying in the first place, they would have done it already.

 

My guess is, using 5k units as a benchmark, about 2k were put off, and maybe these 2k managed to influence another 500 not to support. So in total, only 2.5k units could potentially be sold.

However, looking at their releases, only Ever 17 (only played this, and it doesn't have any H-scenes in the first place) and Phantom of Inferno are of that 5k units sold standard of quality, which is why they closed down -- the other VNs they translated had weak plots anyway; it doesn't matter whether there are H-scenes or not.

For a VN to sell, you must either have an excellent artist/animator, and/or a very good plot. No offense, but I think Hirameki simply didn't know the market and went to translate VNs with shallow plot.

 

EDIT -> Just read the link Silty shared. apparently they toned down violent scenes too, in addition to forcing the games to be played on a DVD player instead of on the PC. Maybe this can shed more light on why they closed -- tedious, bad plots, possibly butchered products (if a company can remove H-scenes and violent scenes, who knows what else did they remove?), wrong translations etc

 

 

 

Regarding sales figures...

It's true that Visual Novels (and translated anime, save for worldwide phenomena such as Pokemon) tend to get bad sales; which is why many companies don't focus on plot in order to break even (there's about 10-50 VN released monthly), and 'crap' is an understatement for these.

 

I'd say 2 main, superficial factors contribute to the sales:

1) For well-established names like Key (I'm sure many have heard of it due to their outstanding anime works), their sales are 20k and up, but for more 'unknown' ones, 10k is off the charts already. Expect even lesser if you don't have advertisement and/or a good demo.

For reference, this is a list of all the 100+ VNs produced in 2011 sales figure: http://d.hatena.ne.jp/efemeral/20110821 (for sanity's sake, please do not click on any links on the sidebar) You see that a VAST majority don't even hit 5k, and I can tell you that PARADISE LOST ranked at 111th deserves at least top 30 (it's an Action ADV "In these games the text is presented in a special window, usually at the bottom of the screen. Also known as Adventure or AVG. In some (rare) cases a game will switch between both styles.") so the sales ranking is not indicative of how good it is.

And we're talking about the whole of Japan, which despite comparatively being smaller than the entire world on any scale, they definitely have more consumers (raw numbers, not %) than the rest of the world. If we were to assume that Japan has (I have no basis for this) 4 times more consumers than the rest of the world, I'd say 5k sales is pretty big already.

 

2) Onto another related issue -- there are many sites/forums that disagree with JAST. Heck, there are even some who hate them. It's the same as anime fansubbers -- what would it be like if CrunchyRoll (and other official subbers) put their weight and totally ban all fan subbings (they already do to some extent)? The immediate reaction would be of course, injustice. Perhaps this post/comments will grant some insight http://visualnovelaer.fuwanovel.org/2012/01/attention-fan-translators-do-not-sell-your-translation-to-jast-usa-we-have-a-much-greater-cause-in-sight-visual-novels-for-the-whole-world-visit-fuwanovel-com/

 

 

As for your 2nd point, the censorship in japan is pretty lax in comparison. As long as it is stated somewhere that the characters depicted are over 18 (no matter how unlikely it is), there is no law that can touch them. Anyway, that guy is dumb lol. If I were to ever be caught for something embarrassing I definitely won't go announcing it to the world -.- I don't and won't do translation work either coz it's unnecessarily tedious with no returns (besides having fans maybe).

 

Just because a number of people have weird interests in loli or paedophilia (Japan and overseas), I don't think it's fair to generalise people who read Visual Novels as that. Also, like what Silty mentioned, the top rated (in terms of quality and/or sales) Visual Novels generally have no H-scenes, or have an option/alternate version to avoid them. There's also nothing stopping one from holding the CTRL key until the H-scene is over, which is what I do since there is usually no plot-relevant content in those.

 

 

 

TL;DR: Just don't read it if you don't want to read. I just noticed it's long too 

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