FlorbFnarb 537 Share Posted September 22, 2014 My crew is still at 80% at the moment, and I'm running it with binos, camo net and toolbox right now. Not sure whether I ought to switch that to binos, camo net and GLD, or vents instead of GLD, or just go with a full combat setup like rammer, GLD, vents/optics. I do see an awful lot of Tier 4 and 5 matches. It used to see up to Tier 9, I think, so it was used more as a scout then, but these days I'm seeing mostly 4s and 5s, some 6es, and 7s every once in a blue moon, so treating it as a combat light seems far more viable, especially since I think with 9.3 they're gonna reduce it to normal Tier 4 MM, aren't they? Anyway, it's hard for me to even tell if I'm gonna keep this thing. Leaving spawn I regularly have T-34s out-accelerate me at first, and it takes a good 300-400m for my superior top speed to let me pull ahead of them. Not sure how much of that is the tank, and how much is the 80% crew screwing it up. Is the T-50 considered a real keeper these days? Run as a scout mostly, or have changes to its MM meant that it's now best used as a combat light? The gun does seem fine, although reticle bloom with an 80% crew is abysmally bad. Just trying to get ahead of the game here. If I decide it's trash I'll send the crew to the barracks and save them for another Russian LT once the T-34 is researched. Link to post Share on other sites
FlorbFnarb 537 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 It's blind. Is 330m base really that bad for Tier 4? It would suck back when it had to play a scout in Tier 9 matches, but with the current MM, it seems a lot more in line with its tier for view range. Link to post Share on other sites
Elektroll 23 Share Posted September 22, 2014 I use it as a combat light,Tier 4-7 pubs are too bad to be a scout. Link to post Share on other sites
Haswell 2,399 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Is 330m base really that bad for Tier 4? It would suck back when it had to play a scout in Tier 9 matches, but with the current MM, it seems a lot more in line with its tier for view range. Even with optics and crew skills you'll still be sitting at under 380m. This is pretty bad considering the base view ranges of tiers 5-8 average at 370m. The few tanks that have equal or lower view ranges compared to you will often out-camo you and can kill you without being spotted in return. T-50 is more of a combat light than an actual scout, and even then its gun is pretty anemic. Its contemporary, the A-20, has normal MM by comparison. T-50 is just bad. Link to post Share on other sites
Flametz 453 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Is 330m base really that bad for Tier 4? It would suck back when it had to play a scout in Tier 9 matches, but with the current MM, it seems a lot more in line with its tier for view range. That's the same view range as the A-20. aka bad. Link to post Share on other sites
FlorbFnarb 537 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 That's the same view range as the A-20. aka bad. Bad for Tier 4 though? It's been a while since I checked out Tier 4 view ranges, but I wouldn't have thought they beat 330 base that often. Maybe so. Link to post Share on other sites
Haswell 2,399 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Bad for Tier 4 though? It's been a while since I checked out Tier 4 view ranges, but I wouldn't have thought they beat 330 base that often. Maybe so. M8A1: 370m T40: 400m Marder 38T: 360m Alecto: 390m Su-85B: 390m M5 Stuart: 370m Need I go on? Link to post Share on other sites
FlorbFnarb 537 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 M8A1: 370m T40: 400m Marder 38T: 360m Alecto: 390m Su-85B: 390m M5 Stuart: 370m Need I go on? Hmmm...okay, fair enough. Sounds pretty crappy. Guess I need to figure out if I wanna keep the thing, then equip it for combat instead of scouting. Does the acceleration get much better, or are mediums still gonna beat me to their max speed even with a 100% crew? Link to post Share on other sites
Flametz 453 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Bad for Tier 4 though? It's been a while since I checked out Tier 4 view ranges, but I wouldn't have thought they beat 330 base that often. Maybe so. Yes, even worse that the T-50 is slower than the A-20 in all respects save maybe traverse, along with getting scout MM (A-20 doesn't), having arguably similar/same guns (A-20 gets an option to use derp though), and overall only gets a mediocre increase in armor as a trade-off (only useful if top tier against pzic/low pen autocannons). IIRC the camo values are similar. This, along with all the other comparisons means the t-50 is arguably inferior to the A-20, and the a-20 isn't good to start out with... ... T-50 mobility is pretty hopeless with that engine. Even on flat ground you'll get out-sped by an M7 and every other light tank at your tier. Against a T-34 with a full 100% crew, you'll probably keep pace up until you hit your max top speed. Link to post Share on other sites
FlorbFnarb 537 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 Yes, even worse that the T-50 is slower than the A-20 in all respects save maybe traverse, along with getting scout MM (A-20 doesn't), having arguably similar/same guns (A-20 gets an option to use derp though), and overall only gets a mediocre increase in armor as a trade-off (only useful if top tier against pzic/low pen autocannons). IIRC the camo values are similar. This, along with all the other comparisons means the t-50 is arguably inferior to the A-20, and the a-20 isn't good to start out with... ... T-50 mobility is pretty hopeless with that engine. Even on flat ground you'll get out-sped by an M7 and every other light tank at your tier. Against a T-34 with a full 100% crew, you'll probably keep pace up until you hit your max top speed. fucksake The thing used to be as OP as hell, along with the T-50-2 and ELC, before they added in physics. Did they over-nerf the thing? It's just a speedy tank, but not speedy enough to be too hard to hit, and certainly has crap armor for anything except a Pz1C. The gun is okay, but damn. Seems to slow and blind to scout, not armored enough to be much of a combat tank. Kinda disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites
RichardNixon 835 Share Posted September 22, 2014 Yes, even worse that the T-50 is slower than the A-20 in all respects save maybe traverse, along with getting scout MM (A-20 doesn't), having arguably similar/same guns (A-20 gets an option to use derp though), and overall only gets a mediocre increase in armor as a trade-off (only useful if top tier against pzic/low pen autocannons). The armour's actually quite a lot better than the A-20. It can ricochet anything up to 120mm and has some useful sloped areas, while the A-20 is a giant target and its hull is overmatched by anything above 60mm calibre. I can't say much else positive about it though. It felt really slow to me after the engine nerf. Link to post Share on other sites
FlorbFnarb 537 Author Share Posted September 22, 2014 The armour's actually quite a lot better than the A-20. It can ricochet anything up to 120mm and has some useful sloped areas, while the A-20 is a giant target and its hull is overmatched by anything above 60mm calibre. I can't say much else positive about it though. It felt really slow to me after the engine nerf. It feels fast to me, just not light tank fast. Fairly speedy for a medium, but my speed advantage over other mediums just isn't enough to be basically a Tier 4.5 tank. It isn't like I can quickly run away from a T-34, you know? Traverse is fine, even with my 81% crew at the moment. Top speed is okay, but I'd really like to see acceleration quite a bit better. Link to post Share on other sites
FlorbFnarb 537 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Ok, this thing is just trash. Done with the goddamn grind to the T-34 thankfully. Link to post Share on other sites
Cartoonman 188 Share Posted September 23, 2014 It feels fast to me, just not light tank fast. Fairly speedy for a medium, but my speed advantage over other mediums just isn't enough to be basically a Tier 4.5 tank. It isn't like I can quickly run away from a T-34, you know? Traverse is fine, even with my 81% crew at the moment. Top speed is okay, but I'd really like to see acceleration quite a bit better. Something that wasn't very discussed when patch 8.0 came out was the affect it had on scout tank's ability to spot and run. Before physics, the T-50 and T-50-2 bled virtually no speed when turning, and it could accelerate out of situations amazingly fast, which made them such a pain to deal with. However, when physics was implemented, something changed with the maneuvering ability of the T-50 and -2. They no longer felt as snappy during turns (especially when World of Drifting was going on before they fixed that parameter a bit), and they seemed to have more ground resistance, or they didn't feel as fast or nimble. To this day, the T-50 lies dormant in my garage, waiting for the scout buff they promised o so long ago, while the new T8 LT's ride on the Powercreep wagon (rip WZ-132) Link to post Share on other sites
FlorbFnarb 537 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'm probably gonna sell the thing. The game could change overnight if WG would ever release some larger maps, but...as it stands now the T-50 seems like a real piece of trash. Didn't even bother putting real equipment on it. Crap as a scout, and there are tons of far, far better and much more fun options for a Tier 4 combat tank. Link to post Share on other sites
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