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Well, we've got colder weather so we certainly dress "more" in general. I think the up-norths kinda act more gay, metrosexuality is almost considered attractive here. But when it comes to dressing, I just think we dress more well, first because the countries are rich, so people can afford shit, then the public fashion becomes more of a premium fashion and hence I think we're more well-dressed.

I agree on wealth part. But metrosexuality screws you up :P
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Don't fuck around with the shoes.  Most women pay more attention to footwear than you might imagine.  Spending a bunch and skimping on shoes is like equipping a Tier 10 medium with a camo net.

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SmartWool on the inside, Eddie Bauer on the outside, Mephisto on the feet, and a few navy monkey suits and wing tips for those special occassions. Mephisto shoes expensive but nothing I've ever owned has last as long. I wish I could credibly substantiate a lower TCO but I can't.

 

All that being said, I inhabit a different age group than Mr. Garbad.

 

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Nothing says style-depraved-former-fratboy-casual quite like wearing khakis in 2014. The epitomy of try-hard mediocrity!

So great choice if that's what you're aiming for!

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Nothing with logos. Why people pay to be a walking billboard I'll never understand.

 

 

Because, unfortunately, others respond to them.  Logos tend to be status symbols. 

 

FFS, I remember people "wearing" Jordans over their shoulders when I was in high school.  They were apparently too valuable to actually put on their feet, but they were desperate to let everyone know that they owned a pair of overpriced shoes.

 

I'd like to think people have moved beyond that as they've aged, but reality does not match my wishes.

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Unless it's highly unusual or especially trashy, literally nobody cares what you're wearing: Honestly, do you go outside and evaluate the clothing of every single person who passes you on the street, in the mall or at the shop? Why are you trying to impress random strangers at gamestop or your local super market? People who hit on you at the gym already want the D and don't give a shit about your clothes (they've been watching you sweat and groan for how long? Unlike porn fantasies, that shit isn't sexy IRL). Just put on some pants and a T-shirt and you'll be fine for those trips.

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Unless it's highly unusual or especially trashy, literally nobody cares what you're wearing: Honestly, do you go outside and evaluate the clothing of every single person who passes you on the street, in the mall or at the shop?

Yes, and so does literally every other human.  Fashion serves the same basic function that it did in high school -- it identifies you as a member of a group.  Are you a jock, a nerd, a popular kid...or just plain bland.  Comfort, expressing yourself, or even wealth are trivial.  Its simply a social signal.  You may think you aren't sending a signal, but that's impossible -- failure to send the right signal simply identifies you as one of the unfashionable, frumpy, and boring outcasts.

 

P.S.  And that's why you will never be promoted as long as you wear star wars tshirts to your stem master race job.  You are signaling that you are an awkward, useless nerd, and that signal overpowers whatever work you might do.  But if you dress professionally...

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imo there's a threshold between being "acceptably" dressed and just bad (i.e. your typical north american walmart bunch). Being well dressed should be a requirement for successful men. If you have a low standard for your own appearance, why should I trust you to have any standards in any job I potentially will have you do?

 

Basically, I would never wear a hoodie outside of home or the gym. Graphic t shirts are for dressing down a classy look. And a plain white tee with dark jeans never fails

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NEVER underestimate the power of some regular knock around khakis, a nice collared shirt (tucked in of course) and a sport coat (and by sport coat I mean blazer), and some sperry's/acceptable shoes (but not dress shoes).  That is like your standard, casual wear right there.  Mostly used for evenings, hanging out with friends (dressed in a similar manner) in nicer areas.  If you want to brave the bars, it is noticeable that's for sure.

 

You can also add jeans if you want with it, and have a knock around button down added with the blazer as well.  Throw in some sporty shoes/topsiders again (topsiders fucking go with almost anything if jeans are being talked about) and it might look something around these lines.

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Now if you want to dumb it down just a bit, so you look a bit "rougher" but not fucking un-civilized.......then a button down shirt (patterns work, and by patterns I mean like plaid, no ugly christmas sweater bullshit) that is a bit "knock around" like, so not the shirt quality that you will be putting with a suit.  Match that up with a nice pair of blue jeans, and some topsiders as shoes/nice sneakers (running shoes/tennis shoes).

 

This is the look I'm trying to explain here.

CK-Jeans-Short-Sleeve-Blue-Plaid-Button-

 

 

Lastly, just a nice collared shirt, and some jeans always goes well if you are looking for casual wear.  Hell, throw in some sandals if you want with the jeans as well (by sandals I mean these below).

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Now I swear to fucking christ if you put the fuckin Roman/Greek looking sandals with any other get up you are going out in, you deserve to NOT get laid.

Summer-shoes-Summer-daily-casual-leather

 

 

Lastly, for mowing the lawn, I would just wear some beaten up tennis shoes with traction in them so you don't fucking slip and look like a fool.  Some beaten up shorts that you don't mind losing to grass stains or rips/tears, and just a tee shirt.  Working out however, somehow chicks still think that's a fashion statement..........SOOOOOO I'll go over it.

 

Wear some normal gym shorts, NOT short shorts.  I'm talking length getting close to the knee, hell even at the knee is good.  Any further though and you will look like some fucking gangster from the street.  The color black for those shorts are priority, I swear, I see so much gray and white and those fucking red gym shorts that advertise from space "I'M HERE EVERYONE!!!!"  Just straight, BLACK shorts.  That and a nicer Tee/workout shirt.  Hell I prefer long-sleeve tees when working out (more fabric = more towel technically) and workout shoes/running shoes (treadmill mother fucker ;) ).  I swear to god though, NO SAME COLOR CLOTHING, do NOT go to the gym looking like a piece of charcoal or the fucking ice cream man.  Black shorts, different color shirt!!!!

 

Hope this helps Garbad, dress nicely, but not like a fuckin hipster please.  I see too much of those asshats in Austin already.  My friends are tired of them, my gf is tired of them, hell my gf's sorority sisters are tired of them.  Dress nice bro.

 

EDIT: Fuck almost forgot NO FUCKING FEDORAS.  As for clothing stores, fucking J.C. Penny, fuck Belk if necessary, Kohls (you'll be fucking surprised, they are cheap AND look good), Ross (I think?), H&M, Marshalls, um.........fuck you know how the rest of google works ;)

 

Also, check out 54clothing........I heard of it being used by college kids at UT where I'm at, but I have no real info on it myself (never tried it) so here's the link if interested.

 

https://www.fivefourclothing.com/new/

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NEVER underestimate the power of some regular knock around khakis, a nice collared shirt (tucked in of course) and a sport coat (and by sport coat I mean blazer), and some sperry's/acceptable shoes (but not dress shoes).  That is like your standard, casual wear right there.  Mostly used for evenings, hanging out with friends (dressed in a similar manner) in nicer areas.  If you want to brave the bars, it is noticeable that's for sure.

 

You can also add jeans if you want with it, and have a knock around button down added with the blazer as well.  Throw in some sporty shoes/topsiders again (topsiders fucking go with almost anything if jeans are being talked about) and it might look something around these lines.

blazer.jpg

You see, this outfit would look SO MUCH BETTER is the blazer was either a dark red or a grey square patterned with blue trimmings.

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You see, this outfit would look SO MUCH BETTER is the blazer was either a dark red or a grey square patterned with blue trimmings.

Those lapels also give me cancer

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Yes, and so does literally every other human.  Fashion serves the same basic function that it did in high school -- it identifies you as a member of a group.  Are you a jock, a nerd, a popular kid...or just plain bland.  Comfort, expressing yourself, or even wealth are trivial.  Its simply a social signal.  You may think you aren't sending a signal, but that's impossible -- failure to send the right signal simply identifies you as one of the unfashionable, frumpy, and boring outcasts.

 

P.S.  And that's why you will never be promoted as long as you wear star wars tshirts to your stem master race job.  You are signaling that you are an awkward, useless nerd, and that signal overpowers whatever work you might do.  But if you dress professionally...

No, that changes once you're an adult, it really does. Wearing an SW shirt is the ultimate trash, so of course someone is going to go "yup, shitlord" but no one gives a shit about plain ol' regular clothes. WIll you lose your chance for promotion because your boss doesn't like the shade of grey on your shirt? No, because your boss likes making money and you're helping him do so. Will random strangers want your autograph at the gym because you wore just the most fashionable gym outfit? No, they don't care because they're there to work out and watching you jiggle your rolls and/or being bathed in sweat isn't sexy. For 99.99% of everything you do, your outfit doesn't matter once you're out of high school unless you choose something spectactularly retarded or you work a job with a very specific dress code (wearing your cheesy hawaiian shirt to court as a lawyer may be bad). Literally take a look outside your window and watch what everyone wears: Are they not getting promoted? Are they never having sex? Are you done making ridiculous assumptions based on high school fashion and teen magazines?

 

You were asking about mowing your lawn, going to the gym and shopping, three things people really don't want to watch you do and thus won't give a shit. If you're worried about your job outfit or your "going out" outfit, then sure, advice may be needed. But you're vastly overrating how much of a shit the average person gives about your specific outfit and how much they care about anybody passing them on the street. The only person I ever remember seeing at a mall was wearing an eye-patch that looked bolted to his skull, now THAT makes an impression. Whether you choose a light blue or grey cardigan to put over your shirt does not.

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For mowing the lawn:  anything that does not involve prominently displaying one's hairy back, moobs or butt crack is generally acceptable.  Add pit/grease/blood stains for authenticity and street cred in your 'hood.

 

Beyond that:  chinos, tucked-in button-down or polo shirt, socks and shoes.  Add sweater or blazer when weather makes doing so appropriate.  As SWG112 pointed out earlier add some color, texture and pattern to the shirt, sweater and socks--stay away from too much color in the trousers.  Nothing too loud, but something that tastefully sets you apart from the pack.  Most of the shoe options have been discussed already except for Western boots which work well in some parts of the country--think Texas and the Southwest.  Since I currently live in Texas, I wear them regularly and prefer the "roper" style (dress-shoe heel and toe, they are NOT dime-store cowboy boots).  If you have the coin for them, Lucchese makes the best boots on the planet.

 

Thankfully I'm in a position at work where I can dictate the dress code, not follow it (at least most of the time) and the above describes my Monday-Thursday wear.  Casual Fridays--jeans and polo shirt with boots, cross-trainers or topsiders.  I am also of an age (Ken Florian-esque) where the "upper scale suburban mall" shops (JCrew etc.) are no longer appropriate.

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Think its all boils down to your target audience, who you want to please with the clothes or at least hoping to not cop a flak or something from them. Sure, brand and all sells, but if a similar or cheaper alternative still looks good on you, why not? And shit, dude, mowing down lawns or doing chores, just get comfy, you are doing a manual work, not trying to sell the hardware or else.

 

Personally, if someone were to like you for the attire you wear but you aren't exactly feeling it as "you", the person isn't really liking the real you. Kinda like, acting cool but isn't exactly the actual you, so in the end you gotta keep up the act to keep people pleased with you, ends up being a pretentious prick.

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Those lapels also give me cancer

Lapels=...?

 

Think its all boils down to your target audience, who you want to please with the clothes or at least hoping to not cop a flak or something from them. 

That's usually yourself.

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No, that changes once you're an adult, it really does. Wearing an SW shirt is the ultimate trash, so of course someone is going to go "yup, shitlord" but no one gives a shit about plain ol' regular clothes. WIll you lose your chance for promotion because your boss doesn't like the shade of grey on your shirt? No...

It really doesn't.  Humans are social apes, and we rely on such signals to tell us how to act.  You cannot escape this, at any age.  The simple fact is how you dress affects to a large degree how you are perceived and treated.  Haven't you ever heard the phrase "dress for the job you want, not for the job you have?"  That isn't advice for fast food workers.

 

You speak about dressing casually or badly or wearing what you want as if you are opting out of this.  You aren't.  In fact, dressing "badly" can be a useful signal, but you may not have thought about the signal you are sending.  Consider a list of possible signals one might be sending by dressing "badly."

 

http://lesswrong.com/lw/154/why_real_men_wear_pink/

  1. I have better use of my time than thinking about what to wear. Since thinking about what to wear is generally a highly valuable use of time, perhaps I'm really productive at something else.
  2. I'm in a profession where technical skills are valued above social skills.
  3. Costly signaling is mostly a zero-sum game. I like to opt out of zero-sum games.
  4. Either I'm a loner or none of my friends care about fashion either. If you care a lot about fashion, our interests are probably too different, and us socializing is probably not the best use of your time or mine.
  5. I'm a member of a group or subculture where dressing "badly" is normative and used for identification/affiliation.
  6. You are too socially retarded to understand social signaling through dress, and you're not sufficiently strategic to have thought of learning it yourself.
  7. You don't have the mental, financial, and/or social resources to keep up with fashion. 

Think about everyone you meet, and ask yourself if you REALLY want the first thing they perceive about you to be that list.  Because like it or not, they are. Everyone is assuming this is about meeting girls.  Its not; my balls are kept perma empty as it is.  Its about the simple reality that appearance matters, even as an adult.  And fashion is a big part of appearance.

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Much thanks. Yeah, the double fold is pretty iffy, particularly with tha colour tone. Also i personally don't like for the shirt's bottom to say hello from under the jacket but that's a personal thing.

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I mow my lawn in a pair of old sneakers and a skirt.

 

Seriously; skirts are nice in the summer. They air the boys out. Cotton pleated, elastic waist band, semi-sheer... I get cat-calls by passers-by when I do the front.

 

When and if... More "if" these days... I work out, I wear shorts and a T-Shirt. I like to sweat so there is no "going out" in my gym clothes. 

 

A trap I see a lot of (us) young adults fall into is confusing trend with real, classic fashion. My wife showed our girls her "fashion" from the early '90s; "THIS is what looked good then. THIS is what you will think of that outfit you're wearing today 10 years from now. You look stupid, accept it..." When I see a grown man donning today's hottest designs I can't help but think of that obviously old dude who inevitably makes an appearance at every filthy frat party waiting for some ignorant tart to drink too much and make him her worst mistake of the year.

 

As an employer I have had some depressing experiences interviewing the 22-25 crowd. Had one kid show up in ill-fitting skinny jeans falling onto unlaced high-tops circa 1982, a chunky belt fastened around his hips, a flat-brimmed trucker's cap with tags attached, and some chewed up fat-knit sweater with pre-made thumb holes in the cuffs. The entire outfit probably retailed MORE than what his weekly salary would have been; people pay a lot to look like they're shopping at the Salvation Army. He would have been right at home at a rave or a trendy "seen-and-be-seen" locale... But this is a job interview for a healthcare position where the average age of an individual served is 67. Slacks and a nice shirt, maybe? Had another girl show up in some very expensive short-shorts and this see-through, plunging neckline poncho-looking thing. She was a very attractive young lady. She could have been in a snow suit with engine grease all over her face and she still would have been pretty. I do not want, nor do I wish to see, the amount of almost nipple and camel toe I saw that day at a healthcare facility. When I was doing construction we had an apprentice show up in $180 Nikes and was trying to keep them clean... 

 

The questionable body-art on permanently exposed areas is another story...

 

The only article I try and keep up with is ties. Fat, thin, bow, and what knots are big. It's a small thing, I know... But being that guy who wears the fat tie when skinny is in... Don't be that guy. A good tie and a classy knot can change you from chic and fun to serious business with a few turns of the cloth, especially if you throw a decent jacket over the ensemble.

 

And, I agree, color is good. Every few years I find a good cut and size of shirt that fits me well and get 3 or 4 in different colors. Some V-neck sweaters with similar colors can get thrown over it; wrinkles become less damning and the look becomes more visually interesting.

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