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Drifting isn't too bad most of the time, but if you let off the throttle and turn without holding W you're pretty much guaranteed to drift, which actually has some utility depending on the situation.

 

Also now that I've got way more games in it than last time I posted in the thread... this is probably my favorite light tank.  It's really hard to not get top XP on the team with it unless you're in a heavily tier X match.

 

First, my crew skills and loadout:

I don't have safe stowage on the thing for some reason, but I also don't seem to take ammo rack damage that often compared to the mediums and it doesn't matter as much anyways.  Fires don't happen that often either.

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Rammer, optics, GLD.  I could switch out the GLD for vents but it doesn't seem worth it.

 

2 HE shells for waffles.  Has saved my life due to breaking guns before, so I consider them worth the ammo spots they take up.

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With camo skill + paint and optics, it's good enough to outspot a lot of the other scouts, especially when they're driven by shitters without 100% crews or optics or what have you.  Assuming you don't fire the gun, you can kemp bush all day and they'd have to get into proxy range of you 95% of the time.  I have a replay floating around my SSD somewhere of me sitting in a bush in Prokhorovka, watching people drive past me and being unable to find me at all, it's fucking great.

 

The armor is hilarious, sometimes even bouncing tier 10 guns from the turret... and when you're in a tier 9 match bullying all the 8's and 7's it gets fucking stupid.  I don't remember exactly what my max DBA in a game was but I do remember it being in the 4k+ range.  It's obviously not something to rely on except against other scouts but it can and will save your HP from poorly-aimed snapshots and the like.  It's also pretty HE-proof, which is a bonus.

 

The gun is pretty dece, at 81% snap shot/smooth ride it generally hits whatever I point it at whether on the move or not.  The pen is fairly low, of course, but it matters less on a light tank; and it's the same pen I'm used to on the T-44 and I can make that work in a light tank even better than I can in a medium.  As mentioned countless times in this thread, the ammo count is a little low (missed getting gold once on an Otter sherriff because I only had HE left), so you might have trouble carryharding in it solely due to that.  

 

Mobility-wise, well, it's a light tank.  I don't have very many points of comparison since the only other t8 light I have is the 13 90, but from what I can tell it turns on a dime, likes to drift sometimes, and accelerates at a decent enough pace.

 

My overall opinion is that it's a scouty, faster, more maneuverable, and better-armored T-44 with the downside of 50 less hitpoints and worse matchmaking.  Pretty easy to work with IMO.

 

As befitting a light tank, I aced it on a 7k+ spotting damage game and all I did was touch myself while sitting in the E1 bush on Prok:

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my trash hit percent was due to having a broken gun for the second half of the match

 

LT-15 I achieved on Lakeville spotting from mid.

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I really want one of these mainly for team battles, but I have to get through the shitbox on wheels, known as the MT-25 before I can start making faster progress down the line.

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I really want one of these mainly for team battles, but I have to get through the shitbox on wheels, known as the MT-25 before I can start making faster progress down the line.

MT-25 was actually quite good;)

I'm on the LTTB now and its amazing if only there would be more gun depression...

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The MT-25 sucks. But because of the extremely low expectations, some liberal APCR spam will pad stats like nobody's business.

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How playable is this with stock suspension?  I just purchased it, and its the only thing left to unlock.  You can mount everything without them.  How bad of a mobility hit does it take?  

looks like it goes from 
0.90, 1.00, 1.40 to
0.70, 0.80, 1.20

Is that acceptable for a short grind?  I really don't understand the relationship between HP and terrain resistance.  

Also, I'm definitely keeping the LTTB.  A very enjoyable tank.  

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I just realized my latest post here got ate by the forum data loss a few days ago. Completely forgot about it, so I'll re-ask now:

I recently got the T-54LW, having been somewhat disappointed in the LTTB (hull armor did almost nothing the entire time I had it, gun handling without vstab wasn't great, too large, mediocre in most everything except mobility). Unfortunately the T-54LW hasn't done me a lot of favors either. So far it's felt almost exactly like a worse WZ-132 that once every handful of games gets a few bounces due to lazy, low pen opponents either hitting the hull at extreme angles or forgetting about the turret.

So far my experiences have been fairly bad; like I said, a reoccurring theme has been that armor on lights is largely moot, especially if you go out of your way to use it. It's hard to complain about the gun - yeah, it's lousy compared to anything you fight & I certainly wish it had better APCR (like the 13 90/132), but it's pretty much just your generic T8 light gun. Sometimes you just find yourself completely incapable of hurting anything until the game has further developed, and you have to hope you don't lose the game before that happens. Again though, par for the course, even the RU-251 has that problem, the T49 is basically the only tank that won't - but it has other problems.

I guess that's all I got to say - perhaps it's just been my matchmaking, my maps, or my playstyle, but the T-54LW's tradeoff of armor over pen/velocity/accuracy/vision/mobility seems a bit questionable on a light tank. It's a feature that doesn't come to fruition often enough to say "yeah, this is worth it". What do you guys think about this? I commonly hear the LW referred to as the tank that overshadowed the WZ-132, but I'm not convinced that's the case. If anything, it seems to be the opposite.

 

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I just realized my latest post here got ate by the forum data loss a few days ago. Completely forgot about it, so I'll re-ask now:

I recently got the T-54LW, having been somewhat disappointed in the LTTB (hull armor did almost nothing the entire time I had it, gun handling without vstab wasn't great, too large, mediocre in most everything except mobility). Unfortunately the T-54LW hasn't done me a lot of favors either. So far it's felt almost exactly like a worse WZ-132 that once every handful of games gets a few bounces due to lazy, low pen opponents either hitting the hull at extreme angles or forgetting about the turret.

So far my experiences have been fairly bad; like I said, a reoccurring theme has been that armor on lights is largely moot, especially if you go out of your way to use it. It's hard to complain about the gun - yeah, it's lousy compared to anything you fight & I certainly wish it had better APCR (like the 13 90/132), but it's pretty much just your generic T8 light gun. Sometimes you just find yourself completely incapable of hurting anything until the game has further developed, and you have to hope you don't lose the game before that happens. Again though, par for the course, even the RU-251 has that problem, the T49 is basically the only tank that won't - but it has other problems.

I guess that's all I got to say - perhaps it's just been my matchmaking, my maps, or my playstyle, but the T-54LW's tradeoff of armor over pen/velocity/accuracy/vision/mobility seems a bit questionable on a light tank. It's a feature that doesn't come to fruition often enough to say "yeah, this is worth it". What do you guys think about this? I commonly hear the LW referred to as the tank that overshadowed the WZ-132, but I'm not convinced that's the case. If anything, it seems to be the opposite.

 

Honestly, I haven't played the WZ-132 (rage-sold the 131 at some point) so I don't know about the whole "overshadowed the WZ-132" bit, but I've never really had too big of an issue with not being able to hurt anything barring heavily tier-10 matches with a bunch of fascist brick tanks on the enemy team.  I've said it before, but I treat the 54 ltwt as just a more mobile, slightly better-armored T-44 with shitty matchmaking, camo on the move, and better vision.  If you were good with the T-44 you can play this tank literally the exact same way and do decently well as far as damage is concerned, the real limitations for damage are that the ammo count is so fucking low and if you're on a corridor map.  Of course, it can scout too, and early game that's definitely what you should be doing, even if it's only initial spots on where people are going before you segue into the "bottom tier medium tank" playstyle.  The turret armor is about the only bouncey part of the tank that you can somewhat rely on, and I've found that turning your turret to face someone as you run away from them tends to generate bounces from auto-aimed shots if you're on the same level or below them.  Hull down is an option if you're facing 7's or 8's, and even some 9's.

Now that I think about it, the "overshadowing the wz-132" bit might only refer to in the competitive scene and not solopubs since the armor will be far more useful against same-tiered tanks.

 

The armor is also nice for not getting blapped for 95% of your health from the front by a T49, so there's that too.

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Rexxie, I have the same opinion of the T-54L. I think the WZ-132 beats the snot out of it in pubs because it doesn't make those tradeoffs for armor. That said, the T-54L is the RUmed of tier 8 limited play because that armor is actually somewhat useful against tier 8 opponents. When you're facing tier 9 and 10 guns, though, the extra armor doesn't really do a whole lot for you outside of a lucky autobounce.

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Thank you for the response :D

Hull down is an option if you're facing 7's or 8's, and even some 9's.

I wouldn't mind it if I could use the turret armor against T7 heavies/T8 meds, but I haven't had much luck with that. A rather egregious example was a few days ago when I was peeking from hulldown against a Tiger and, despite him not hitting the cupolas, not overmatching the roof, and not using any APCR, he managed to repeatedly rip through turret face before I could get my shot off. While the Tiger isn't exactly a low pen tank, this was a situation where I expected at least one bounce; I mean this is the lowest tier tank I can possibly see, while I'm in a position I rarely get to use. No such luck, we ended up trading hits until I stopped trying.

 

If you were good with the T-44 you can play this tank literally the exact same way and do decently well as far as damage is concerned

I did like the T-44; perhaps putting more of a conscious effort into playing the ltwt as if it was a T-44 instead of a stock T-54 could improve my gameplay. It just feels like "T-44 with bad MM" is considerably more crippling than it should be because one of the features of the T-44 is that it has less MM weight than other T8s, making its otherwise mediocre performance actually quite respectable. The ltwt doesn't have that advantage.

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Dunno about the tiger thing, but i assume the 54 ltwt's turret is just as nerfed as the post-HD T-54's is.  hull down is easier if you're on a backslope so they have to hit the bottom, harder part of the turret.

 

and yeah, it doesn't, but you can still make the T-44 work in tier 10 and with higher camo values and essentially the same gun it's actually a little easier to survive in 10s using the ltwt from my experience.

 

Plus if you sit still, with a camo crew and paint in a bush, most things have to get to proxy to spot you, so it makes for a dece passive scout in a pinch

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For me, the excellent mobility and gun handling is what makes the T54 lwt a great pub-scout when you have to fight other tanks instead of scouting.

I agree that the WZ-132 is better at scouting and can in most cases do the same job as the T54lwt without too big of a difference/gap in ability. The extra armour of the T54 lwt only comes into play against other light tanks (T49 in particular) or at longer ranges where the turret can bounce a fair few things. Mostly when you bounce it is because of the roundness of the turret while still being thick enough to bounce stuff. You never ever bounce off the WZ-132s turret, unless you hit the absolute edge.

Another thing the T54 lwt has over the WZ is 100 hp more. Instead of the 1150 HP of the WZ you get 1250 HP. This may seem like a small difference, but it is the difference between an almost-certain three shot death by 390/400 alpha guns (plenty of those in the MM spread) and a you-have-to-roll-high-to-kill-me-in-three-shots death with 1250 HP. So your survivability it slightly better in the T54 lwt when looking at pure health.

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The fact that bouncing two 1390 shots means they can't clip you means you will often survive (against weaker players) if you start at full health.  Yes, they are going to pen most of the time, but they have to be pretty careful.  

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While it does come down to opinions, I thought most people agreed the T-54LW was almost a direct upgrade?
Since they're both based on the T-54 and have pretty similar stats, you can't help but compare them on that level.
Assuming they're both elite and the WZ-132 is using the 100mm:

T-54LW has better DPM and way better soft stats plus aim time, however the WZ-132 has a notable (for a light) 14mm penetration advantage and better hard accuracy.
T-54LW has less ammo capacity and slightly worse shell velocity, but the shell velocity is so small it's barely notable. 9 ammo won't matter every game, but it does for the sake of comparison.
T-54LW obviously has way more armor, around x3-x4 as much as the WZ-132. Being able to randomly bounce is invaluable for a light tank, even if it ultimately relies on RNG or the enemy not making the shot count.
T-54LW has a higher top speed and higher hp/t, but it has a slower reverse speed and worse terrain resistance which probably puts it and the WZ-132 roughly on par.
WZ-132 has a slight (0.80) camo advantage and 10m additional view range, which of course gives it the edge when it comes to scouting. But in return the T-54LW has 100 HP more.

And all the notable differences more or less end there. The only thing that sets the WZ-132 apart is the 85mm, in which case the comparison goes like this:
WZ-132 has 230 DPM more, but less penetration and 50 less alpha.
WZ-132 still has better accuracy but still worse aim time. Its dispersion is about on par with the T-54LW.
T-54LW has a way better gold shell. 5 more penetration (not that special) but it has 240m/s more shell velocity than the WZ-132's HEAT.
T-54LW has the caliber advantage (yes, really) and is able to overmatch 30-33mm plates while the WZ-132 can not.

So if we want to properly compare apples and oranges instead of green apples and red apples, the WZ-132 needs to have the 85mm.
The WZ-132 is a slightly better scout while the T-54LW is a significantly better combat vehicle. If you wanna discuss which vehicle is ultimately better in the end, we have to dive into anecdotes mainly around map rotation.
Though I'm sure everyone knows the misery of the scout. Getting Himmelsdorf, Erlenberg, and Pearl River instead of a map where you can do any form of scouting. So you basically turn into a weak tier 8 medium tank.
In that case, the T-54LW can bounce shells, has a better gun for combat (again, assuming the WZ-132 has the 85mm) and has more health. Camouflage, view range, DPM, and mobility will not make much of a difference on a map where the maximum engagement distance is 250m.


tl;dr: T-54LW is a better tank overall but the WZ-132 is a better scout, so unless you're a scout specialist (god have mercy on you) the T-54LW is the better tank

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I just recently moved up to this tank and I haven't gotten the hang of it so far.   Tanks are just so damn lethal at these tiers that the margin for error is really small, especially for a light tank.

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Are you all stock? It's pretty meh when stock.
If you're not used to light tanks as a whole, then yeah it will feel like everything will kill you instantly. That will take a long time to get adjusted to.

Mostly stock still.  I have the upgraded engine which helps but the other upgrades don't really look like they will add that much.

I play lights a lot so I'm used to being the smallest tank around.  I think the main difference is that everything is so much faster at this tier.  And guns are so accurate that they have no problem hitting moving targets.

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So its worth buying through the LTTB to get ? I have all the other scouts worthwhile (ru 251, 13 90  and wz-131) still in my garage. What can i expect out of this tank compared to lets say wz131 i know its a tier 7 vs 8 but the 131 is plain out OP how well is its armor compared to say t44 for example.

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131 is plain out OP

Not sure what you are smoking here, the 131 is far from OP.

The only noteworthy armor on the 54LW is the turret front which can occasionally bounce a few shells here and there, but otherwise not really practical as with lights in general. Gun handling wise it has the typical RU med comfort and decent DPM, plus 250 alpha to boot. It is flat out better than the T-44 in every practical way (as it should be), never mind the 131 which barely competes against the Bulldog.

In case it's not clear, any T7 light that isn't a Bulldog (or T71) can be considered junk.

 

Good read: http://forum.wotlabs.net/index.php?/topic/17158-in-depth-comparison-of-the-tier-viii-scouts-by-waterwar/

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Not sure what you are smoking here, the 131 is far from OP.

The only noteworthy armor on the 54LW is the turret front which can occasionally bounce a few shells here and there, but otherwise not really practical as with lights in general. Gun handling wise it has the typical RU med comfort and decent DPM, plus 250 alpha to boot. It is flat out better than the T-44 in every practical way (as it should be), never mind the 131 which barely competes against the Bulldog.

In case it's not clear, any T7 light that isn't a Bulldog (or T71) can be considered junk.

 

Good read: http://forum.wotlabs.net/index.php?/topic/17158-in-depth-comparison-of-the-tier-viii-scouts-by-waterwar/

Then you clearly haven't played the 131 lately :P Ive done better in the 131 than any other light tank i have. right now im averaging 2.8k to 3k wn8 when im only like 1500 recent 

I cant stand the T71 honestly. Though prob because i dislike auto loaders a lot.. But thanks for the words and I have read that article by WW. Great read indeed.

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