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My first T9 tank, E-75 or WZ-111-4

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  1. 1. Which will be Denizzje's first tier 9 to be terrible in?

    • WZ 111-4
      2
    • E-75
      21
    • Stay out of tier 9 you scrub
      10


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Hey all,

 

Recently I have been pondering about what my first tier 9 will be.  I have two options, the E-75 and the WZ 111-4. I won't get it inmediately as I still have to grind about 85k for both options. Not sure when I will get that done, but since I am well underway it probably won't hurt thinking what it wll be ;).

 

WZ-111-4:

 

+ I really enjoy the IS-2 and 110, I got my best WR of the heavy tanks with my IS-2 and I feel I am getting better at consistently dishing out damage in my 110 now its fully upgraded and with an improving crew. Had a rough start with both tanks and my stats of the 110 are still damaged from my derping in the tank at first.

+ I can take my IS-2 crew to the WZ111-4, which is now busy with their third skill

+ I really liked the feel it has when I tested it on a testserver

+ I already got its tier 8 little brother....

 

- .... in which I do rather mediocre in statswise, but I actually greatly enjoy playing as well. I can't get my winrate up to above 50% (which is a goal I personally have, might not be much to alot of you here :P)

- Despite playing it on testserver I don't have a good idea how its armour handles in tier 10

 

E-75:

 

+ It seems to be a much more scrub friendly tank than its predecessor, the Tiger II.

+ Awesome gun handling compared to the China tanks, right?

+ Might be much better suited to my agressive playstyle (which is the reason why I do better in Chinese tanks I guess) than the Tiger II

 

- I might be totally wrong on what I said above, as I am basically just guessing.

 

Well, what do you guys think, should I take a WZ-111-4 or an E-75? Or, should I just stay the heck out of tier 9 for now.

 

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If you go into Tier 9 now, you're going to get your butt kicked, no offense. I would at least recommend demonstrating a grasp on basic mechanics (light green in Tier 8s or better), before moving on to Tier 9s and then 10s, to potentially try improving the Kewei way. I learned this all the hard way, as my shamefur IS-8 stats serve to show.  =(

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I'd say e75. its more flexible imo vs the wz, but both are great heavies.
As far as staying out of tier 9... let me put it this way- While i'd prefer to see you on my team after learning a bit more of this game in say tier 8, i wouldnt mind seeing your full health e75 on the enemy team ready to be farmed...
Try and watch some unicum streams on twitch tv (Zeven_NA and Sela are great ones, also Junkershiryu), look at your own replays and find what youre doing wrong, and perhaps find someone who can help teach you core skills such as sidescraping, hulldown, snapshots, etc. this game isnt user friendly man, i wish ya the best of luck.

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Too bad you're not NA, Id platoon with ya for a few games to give some pointers.

 

Get the E75, more forgiving. But, dont sell your Tiger II to get it. Keep the tiger 2, keep playing it and the 110 and build your ability. Do jump into the E75, but dont stay there all day or you'll get frustrated. Get your double, get out, play other tanks and build your skills. 

 

Id also look for an EU mentor or post a replay pack (5 games) so we can either help by platooning or help by constructive criticism 

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Hey all,

 

Recently I have been pondering about what my first tier 9 will be.  I have two options, the E-75 and the WZ 111-4. I won't get it inmediately as I still have to grind about 85k for both options. Not sure when I will get that done, but since I am well underway it probably won't hurt thinking what it wll be ;).

 

WZ-111-4:

 

+ I really enjoy the IS-2 and 110, I got my best WR of the heavy tanks with my IS-2 and I feel I am getting better at consistently dishing out damage in my 110 now its fully upgraded and with an improving crew. Had a rough start with both tanks and my stats of the 110 are still damaged from my derping in the tank at first.

+ I can take my IS-2 crew to the WZ111-4, which is now busy with their third skill

+ I really liked the feel it has when I tested it on a testserver

+ I already got its tier 8 little brother....

 

- .... in which I do rather mediocre in statswise, but I actually greatly enjoy playing as well. I can't get my winrate up to above 50% (which is a goal I personally have, might not be much to alot of you here :P)

- Despite playing it on testserver I don't have a good idea how its armour handles in tier 10

 

E-75:

 

+ It seems to be a much more scrub friendly tank than its predecessor, the Tiger II.

+ Awesome gun handling compared to the China tanks, right?

+ Might be much better suited to my agressive playstyle (which is the reason why I do better in Chinese tanks I guess) than the Tiger II

 

- I might be totally wrong on what I said above, as I am basically just guessing.

 

Well, what do you guys think, should I take a WZ-111-4 or an E-75? Or, should I just stay the heck out of tier 9 for now.

I had put myself into a terrible position too learn early on, i got myself into a terrible clan, and i was learning from terrible players. Later on i realized what a horrible player i was(that shitter logic where you think you are slightly better then average, was no longer my security blanket...the clan exploded) 

 

I decided too ask a great player from anvil how too get better. He told me start off at tier 5 or so and play till your doing well and winning, then move up a tier, rinse and repeat untill you meet your ceiling, then back done a tier and work it out there.

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Thanks for the replies you all, have some upboats!

 

According to the poll, the E-75 seems to be nearly unanimous over the WZ-111-4. I think thats clear :). Maybe my 'view' of it was too rosy with my experiences of my wallet warrior tier 8 WZ-111. In that tank I have my highest average damage but relatively lower WR than with my other Chinese. I also greatly enjoy it in stronkholds and 7v7 matches.

 

The ammount of votes which say I must stay out of tier 9 says enough. My logic for actually considering starting to venture into tier 9 in a while was that I feel there is less of a difference when I get into tier X battles (powercreep is the term I am looking for here I guess). Tier 8 tanks have to be very cautious there or risk getting obliterated in seconds, which is a hard thing to do sometimes for me due to my (highly) agressive playstyle. I thought that maybe with a good tier 9 tank, I could do better in higher tier battles. But at the same time the ammount of tier X battles I get in goes up, in which my yellowness is pure dinner for dark greens and up, thus which is why I doubted and added this to the poll.

 

 

If you go into Tier 9 now, you're going to get your butt kicked, no offense. I would at least recommend demonstrating a grasp on basic mechanics (light green in Tier 8s or better), before moving on to Tier 9s and then 10s, to potentially try improving the Kewei way. I learned this all the hard way, as my shamefur IS-8 stats serve to show.  =(

 

I have seen on some replays and pictures of tank overviews on this forum that there are mods in which you can show individual wn8 on tanks in your stats, but I can't seem to find it. I am curious what my wn8 is on my most played tanks (probably horrendous :P). How can I activate that?

 

 

Id also look for an EU mentor or post a replay pack (5 games) so we can either help by platooning or help by constructive criticism 

 

Waterwar was my mentor but unfortunally he quit. He teached me some valuable things like how to actually sidescrap with the autobounce angles, can't believe it took me over 3k games to figure that out. I should probably sent out a request in the mentorship forum to find a new mentor.

 

 

I had put myself into a terrible position too learn early on, i got myself into a terrible clan, and i was learning from terrible players. Later on i realized what a horrible player i was(that shitter logic where you think you are slightly better then average, was no longer my security blanket...the clan exploded) 

 

I decided too ask a great player from anvil how too get better. He told me start off at tier 5 or so and play till your doing well and winning, then move up a tier, rinse and repeat untill you meet your ceiling, then back done a tier and work it out there.

For the first 2.5k games playing the game I was just blindly rushing tanks, opening up lines to certain tiers, playing alot of tanks once and do horribly in all. Was also in a horrible clan. Then I installed XVM and found a drive to get better (was at 480 wn8 when I first installed it at about 2.5k games) and meanwhile I joined my current clan HFT which are all yellow to dark green players (with the odd light blue in the mix) trying to get better :). However the damage has been done and I was already at tier 8. Currently I have a set of well equipped tier 6,7 and 8 tanks with good crews, but my tier 5 tanks are in bad shape as I didn't revert back to them. I had thus decided to actually stop at tier 8 for the time being, but now with the tier 9s not being that far away from my grasp it started tickeling. And thus comes the story of the upper part of this post.

 

Sorry if I am writing horrendous Dunglish, my English is not the best today. :P

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Some people will thell you the E-75 is not op. Do not listen to them, they're trying to avoid everyone jumping on that tank and getting it nerfed. Don't play it until you can free-exp the turret, either. Stock turret is made of cheese. In fact try to start off with top turret, engine and gun and it becomes easy-mode. Take three shots = green wn8.

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The E75 is an easier tank to play, and is a powerhouse at tier 9. However, the WZ-111 packs a bigger punch when it comes to DPM, and has an amazing turret. The WZ also gets far better mobility than the E75, rolling around at a constant 40 kph. In the end I believe that it comes down to personal preference....

 

Do you like the in your face big heavy brawler game play? If so, I recommend the E75. 

 

If you're a fan of peek-a-boom and letting your dpm work, along with having relatively good armor, I recommend the WZ-111-14

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I have seen so many people improperly use the E75, for the first 50 games I was one of them. Once fully upgraded and as top tier tank, its an absolute wrecking ball when used correctly. No idea about the WZ.

 

The E75 can be a great tank to learn how to properly abuse your armor in order to make a successful push,  with the proper tutelage. However, without knowledge on how to use this malevolent violent force of nature you will be crowned the noobliest of noobs when caught sniping from the back or hiding from other t8 heavies because, 'they pen me every time.'

 

Be forewarned, this will be your making, or your reckoning....

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Thanks for the replies you all, have some upboats!

 

thanks mate!

Also, to help with your mod question, try OMC modpack, it has tons of great mods on it, the omc xvm config has the tank wn8s on it iirc, plus a bunch of other great stuff. i personally run that, the minimap mod (wot in game is shit), 30x zoom, a 100 m zoom out, (used to run hit skins but dont, theyd help for you), colored penetration marker, and the auto aim assistance mod. those are just off the top of my head, not all are essential but they do make play easier. especially the zoom in for sniper mode, makes those long range shots easier to lead. I hope this helped!

also- my new slogin- *Not a purple, just a shitter*

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Thanks for your comments all, again some upboats!

 

I draw my conclusion that Denizzje the scrub will continue to suck at tier 8 max for now, and that Denizzje will use the E-75 when the time is right.

 

I'll check OMC modpack out, using Aslain's but its a bit crashy for me since 0.9.6, tank you Firedog :). Hitskins, autoaim assitance sound like cheating to me though... aren't these illegal to use? I already use a effective armour calculator on my own tank and a longer zoom mod and I feel dirty for using it :P.

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nah, they arent illegal. also, imo the armor calulation mod is just a bit useless and confusing to try to use. basic idea for most tanks when tryign to have a shot absorb is to angle slightly to the right or left, trying to make your side look like it can be penned, but it in reality wont. its best to do that right before the enemy fires, just so they cant compensate and hit your front or somewhere else. wish ya the best of luck in implementing or trying tofigure out what the hell i just said lol. im pretty tired so it may be gibberish and or just totally about a different armor technique. lol

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WZ 111 1-4 is a solid tank no doubt, but the E75's armor gives it the edge. Much harder to kill. Similar guns. Plus the E75 leads to a more useful T10 (the mighty E-100). My friend is currently playing the WZ, and has good luck with it, it has some virtues and is worth a look later on.

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