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"Historical" VK 4502 ausf. B7

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A tier 7 with the 88mm L/71 doesn't need pref-MM. Not unless its gun bloom ends up being ARL-44 levels of bad.

 

Would you say a tier 6 with the 17-pounder doesn't need pref MM either? Because that's the TOG II*.

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Would you say a tier 6 with the 17-pounder doesn't need pref MM either? Because that's the TOG II*.

 

This thing isn't going to be quite as gigantic, slow, and its armor might actually be somewhat usable.

The bad factors of this vehicle aren't quite as massively overwhelming as they are for the TOG. Besides, by all accounts the turret armor SHOULD be the same as the stock VK4502A, which should be reasonably good for a tier 7 vehicle. IDK if that's modeled wrong or if its modeled wrong on this thing.

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garbage

 

lower HP and make a tier 6

I'd rather not have the aim reticule explode every time the turret moves an inch like it does on the ARL-44.

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Just because a design was submitted to replace a tank doesn't mean it's actually better than the tank that's being replaced. 

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Just because a design was submitted to replace a tank doesn't mean it's actually better than the tank that's being replaced. 

The Story of Porsche's Tank designs

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Just because a design was submitted to replace a tank doesn't mean it's actually better than the tank that's being replaced.

Depends. If they need new tank designs, the reason is mostly because the old tank(s) has already been outclassed, or doctrine has shifted from its design.
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LOL how could a Tiger replacement (IRL) be a tier lower, just LOL.

 

 

Hetzer was one of the lates TD's from germany, and it intended to replace JP and JT that were tol expensive and unnecessarily large. So hetzer at tier 10?

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Hetzer was one of the lates TD's from germany, and it intended to replace JP and JT that were tol expensive and unnecessarily large. So hetzer at tier 10?

These are not even from the same league and doctrine... 

What I meant was, VK4502 project(s) was to replace the Tiger  and resulted in the KT, a tier8 in WoT. It'd  be kinda funny to have something that has a longer gun and some other "improvement" implemented a tier lower.

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Hetzer was one of the lates TD's from germany, and it intended to replace JP and JT that were tol expensive and unnecessarily large. So hetzer at tier 10?

BS. The Hetzer was intended to replace the Marder tanks. And it is right behind a Marder in the tanktree. So this works quite well.

JT and JP are totally different designs which had totally different roles. To think a little Hetzer should replace this tanks is crap.

Anyway. I don't see why there is all this mimimi about this tank. The gun is good and the armor is medicore. Like every other German heavy at T7. For T7 this tank is a good choice.

It seems that you all want some OP as shit tank for your money.

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These are not even from the same league and doctrine... 

What I meant was, VK4502 project(s) was to replace the Tiger  and resulted in the KT, a tier8 in WoT. It'd  be kinda funny to have something that has a longer gun and some other "improvement" implemented a tier lower.

 

Tiger has onlt L56 rl, and t7 tiger with L56 is probably worse as this VK 45.

 

And VK45 was a bad design, and didnt win rightfully so :P

 

ps: my ``hope`` is WG gives it the 50mm extra frontal armor which was to be added later, the suspension *should* be able to carry the extra weight aswell, a modified form of thise suspension was later also succesfull trialed on the Jagdtiger, and that was actually a good suspension.

 

henschel suspension:

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Porsche suspension:

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(and ferdinand / Tiger P also used this suspension, and especially the ferdinand was a heavy weight aswell)

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^ then this would have to be uptiered to T8, 50+80mm sloped frontal armor is KT level of protection.

 

its still only 130mm with a poor slope (55 deg) is still only 200mm effective vs AP, with a weak lfp, 80mm and little slope)

 

a not so strong rear turret and paper armor + bad mobility should make it far from OP

 

It will be like a rear-turret tiger P that way

 

ps: atm its like a rear turret tiger p, but with the hull armor of a tiger...

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These are not even from the same league and doctrine... 

What I meant was, VK4502 project(s) was to replace the Tiger  and resulted in the KT, a tier8 in WoT. It'd  be kinda funny to have something that has a longer gun and some other "improvement" implemented a tier lower.

The projects were also Porsche's attempts to make a (turreted) tank that can carry the superior (to the L/56) 88mm L/71.

Do remember the "tiger" you're referring to is a paper project to mount the longer gun that was practically the only trait/purpose over the original Tiger H.

Essentially, a historical stat Tiger H would fit tier 6. This at tier 7 is perfectly reasonable.

 

^ then this would have to be uptiered to T8, 50+80mm sloped frontal armor is KT level of protection.

WG uptiered Tiger H to tier 7 because of the long(er) 88mm L/71.

To uptier this PoS to T8 would require a big(ger) gun, because 50mm of extra armor will most definitely not make up for the fucking awful turret/mobility/gun combo of a paper, slow DPM machine.

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They need to cover that turret roof and hull with extra tracks and lower that terrain resistance. 

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They need to cover that turret roof and hull with extra tracks and lower that terrain resistance. 

That way?

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Sherman M4A4 AntiFa(ust)

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If it looks stupid and works, it ain´t stupid 8)

IIRC those types of improvised "spaced armor" modifications actually INCREASED the tank's vulnerability to P-fausts and Shrecks. Something about those weapon's warheads being poorly made and improperly forming their copper-jet streams, but adding an additional layer of crap to the armor like that actually improved those weapon's performance by giving the copper stream more space to form properly.

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As long as wg is adding 20mm of armor for tracks it works. 100mm sloped and no 25mm turret roof, while looking stupid, is better than what they're trying to shove out now. 

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Can´t imagine how some extra inches of metal improving a HEAT warhead. The hot copper stream has to go through more material. Physically speaking it will lose more energy while penetrating.

 

What I know is, that german Schürzen gave no real protection against Bazookas, Panzerfaust or Panzerschrecks. Schürzen were totaly useless for this. When hit by a Panzerfaust etc they normally just fell off. But there where a lot negativ side effects. Mud got stuck in the space beween Schürzen and sidearmor. Or if the enemy put a explosive charge on the tank and it fell in the spacing the compression increased which led to bigger dmg to the tank.

Schürzen were designed against anti tank rifles after all and not against HEAT:

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