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Object 261 - Need help

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Heyo!

 

I know arty isn't a very favorable thing to talk about but.. I need help with this one.

I don't know if I'm playing it right or if I'm even performing decently in it.

 

If possible, I'd like you guys to highlight what I did wrong, what I could have improved on and anything else you can come up with.

No need to be nice, be brutally honest. I'd prefer if you were.

 

Thanks for any help ^_^

 

Here are some games where I think I did well.

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=110615

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=110645

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=110679

 

And here is a smaller collection of replays from this night/morning.

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111024

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111027

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111029

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111033

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111034

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111035

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111041

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111042

https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111053

 

Crew skills

Commander

BiA / Mentor (86%)

Gunner

BiA / Snap Shot (86%)

Driver

BiA / Smooth ride (86%)

Loader

BiA / Camo (86%)

Loader

BiA / Camo (86%)

 

Equipment

Rammer

Gun Laying Drive

Coated Optics

 

Shell Loadout

12 / 2 / 4

 

Consumables

Combat Rations

Small Repair Kit

Small First Aid Kit

 

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First: mentor is, IMO, one of the most useless perk, grind your 6th sense or camo instead.

 

Second: coated optic on an arty is kind of weird, given you should see light come by looking at your mini-map (and god, you do have the time to look at it in arties), I'd take a camo-net instead.

 

I don't have the time to look at all replays, thought, sorry. (and also, not a lot of interest to watch arty replays)

 

 

Good luck mate.

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Judging by your results so far, 71% WR and 2600 DPG.. I don't think there's much more you can expect from arty

Also, short of OTTER's clicker dude (M something) coming here, we dont really have anyone qualified/has better stats than this by miles. 

 

TD42 sadly does not speak english, he seems like a really respectable and talented arty player as well. 

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well you blow my 261 stats out of the water, I'm not sure what advice I can give other than shoot more gold, and I have no clue on EU meta related to arty.

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decided to quickly look at a few of the random replays, so I randomly clicked on this one (https://replays.quickybaby.com/result.php?id=111035)

 

The biggest thing I see is that BA baited you into taking some really low percentage not-fully aimed shots.  this match you seemed to rush a lot of your shots.  for example, the shot you take at this ST-I.  In BA, it looks like a decent shot.  in standard view using free arty view, it looks more like this, which is very clearly unaimed:

 

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In general this game, you seem to rush your shots, as well as attempt to hit moving targets with BA, which i recommend against attempting.

 

Once again, BA has a tendency to make inexperienced artillery players take low % shots by making them look better than they actually are, especially "thread the needle" shots between buildings o through windows.

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Also, short of OTTER's clicker dude (M something) coming here, we dont really have anyone qualified/has better stats than this by miles. 

 

TD42 sadly does not speak english, he seems like a really respectable and talented arty player as well. 

Masasume

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I think there's been enough points made about how we dislike arty.

Can somebody not ask for arty related advice (I know its click and shoot) without getting downvoted? If you guys don't like it then move on and stop jumping on the arty downvoting circle jerk.

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- to many rushed shots (Ruinberg Winter)

- BA mod srews up your aim several times - totally wrong lead on enemy tanks standing south of the village (to short). A good example why I think this mod is nonsense in most cases. It makes it much harder to get the lead right on moving targets.

- give the loaders Safe Stowage and Intuition

 

 

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regarding his stats - either small sample size or hvy platooning/CW. There is no way that he gets this WR and damage output playing the way he plays in this replay(s) in the long run (solo).

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I think there's been enough points made about how we dislike arty.

Can somebody not ask for arty related advice (I know its click and shoot) without getting downvoted? If you guys don't like it then move on and stop jumping on the arty downvoting circle jerk.

May I add, that all those who downvote have at least one arty. Stop bashing people who play it when you own it I say.

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Are we still really negging someone who makes a legit post to ask for help playing arty? Grow TF up. 

 

OP- Your #s look good. But I'm not that experienced with great arty play.  I have a 212, but that's it, and I didn't move any mountains in my su-14.

 

If you are really looking for improvement, give some feedback on the replays.  Why did you position where you did originally, what's your line of thinking?  Are you taking positions in observance of your team's layout/with respect to where your firing arc won't be too impeded by terrain etc?

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Are we still really negging someone who makes a legit post to ask for help playing arty? Grow TF up. 

 

OP- Your #s look good. But I'm not that experienced with great arty play.  I have a 212, but that's it, and I didn't move any mountains in my su-14.

 

If you are really looking for improvement, give some feedback on the replays.  Why did you position where you did originally, what's your line of thinking?  Are you taking positions in observance of your team's layout/with respect to where your firing arc won't be too impeded by terrain etc?

Still new to the 261 so trying to figure out where positions for it are good and where not. Most of the time I think like this "Is there a chokepoint on the map that is common for enemies? Yes, I'll position myself for that chokepoint initially and perhaps move later." or something like "I want a high position so that I can cover most things and help as much as possible"

 

- to many rushed shots (Ruinberg Winter)

- BA mod srews up your aim several times - totally wrong lead on enemy tanks standing south of the village (to short). A good example why I think this mod is nonsense in most cases. It makes it much harder to get the lead right on moving targets.

- give the loaders Safe Stowage and Intuition

 

 

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regarding his stats - either small sample size or hvy platooning/CW. There is no way that he gets this WR and damage output playing the way he plays in this replay(s) in the long run (solo).

 

My games in the 261 are 50/50 platooning. And it is a small sample size since I like.. recently unlocked the 261 and bought it.

 

I know I rush my shots too much, really bad habbit. Happens because for some reason in my head I think that I need to fire as much as possible (Yeah.. completely wrong)

 

About leading targets, I have no real feel on how to lead my shots on targets in most cases. Either i'll sit there and watch this one guy drive for a minute and I'll figure it out or I'll be there for 10sec and get it completely wrong. So, how to improve on this would be nice if I can in any way.

 

Why the safe stowage and intuition on the loaders? Also, switching shells to what and when? Like, an example on what to switch to in what situation if possible.

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About leading targets:

 

- dont use the BA mode. The perspective with it is misleading.

- pay attention to the distance indicator, factor in enemy speed and much experience will teach you

- with time you ll also get a feel for typical movement patterns in some situations

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About leading targets:

 

- dont use the BA mode. The perspective with it is misleading.

- pay attention to the distance indicator, factor in enemy speed and much experience will teach you

- with time you ll also get a feel for typical movement patterns in some situations

 

Read your guide, really nice actually o.O I changed my crew completely to what you have going there.

Guess I just need more experience in general then?

 

Stats of Obj 261 as of today. More reasonable for solo-play? I dropped in DPG and WR

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Read your guide, really nice actually o.O I changed my crew completely to what you have going there.

Guess I just need more experience in general then?

 

Stats of Obj 261 as of today. More reasonable for solo-play? I dropped in DPG and WR

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Experience comes with time and practice - not much else you can do about. Maybe join a clan with really good field commanders, which might assist you to learn reading the flow of the battle better, getting a betting feeling for which targets are important, which should be ignored and when. Though the last thing you can also pick up in randoms (base camping enemy heavies at the start of the game ...)

 

you also might want to take a look at this.

 

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Experience comes with time and practice - not much else you can do about. Maybe join a clan with really good field commanders, which might assist you to learn reading the flow of the battle better, getting a betting feeling for which targets are important, which should be ignored and when. Though the last thing you can also pick up in randoms (base camping enemy heavies at the start of the game ...)

 

you also might want to take a look at this.

 

 

Guide is really nice, will be reading that thoroughly later this day.

When it comes to joining a clan and field commanders. I'm not really interested in CW or anything of that sort, more about playing with people I enjoy and the occasional skirmishing/team battle together. Would there be a way of learning "reading the flow of battle" without having to join a different clan?

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PM Elpuffmo, she is very good in arty, might help you out.

 

I can't find Elpuffmo, can you perhaps link me to her profile?

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So after a lot of playing with the 261 ( its my second most played tank xD) my stats on it have changed quite a bit, for the better or the worse I do not know. Sorry for resurecting old thread but thought it would be nice to see some progress on my improvement with arty o.O

 

And for all arty haters, yes yes just downvote whatever..

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