xTE and the obsolescence of Wn8

[Garbad 10,517]

Stannis is the One True King.

[xmenxmen2 166]

Good to see some new metrics that can challenge WN on the best metric available

[cheesyhoney 293]

I will form my opinion on it based on whether it inflates/decreases my scores :^)

[Sorphius 508]

Interesting.  I like it at first glance, but unless Wotlabs changes to this metric, I think people will continue to pad their E-50s.

[Gashtag 12,000]

Yes, finally we can all channel our inner Kewei's and focus on individual tank performance rather than overall or recent WN8s. 

 

\o/

[Silverinferno 39]

Interesting but still doesn't take into account the things that can swing a battle, or Spotting damage, cap reset etc...Just looks like another damage.kill metric.

Can see a lot more "Chai" snipping now to get your damage in before moving.

[Garbad 10,517]

Interesting but still doesn't take into account the things that can swing a battle, or Spotting damage, cap reset etc...Just looks like another damage.kill metric.

Can see a lot more "Chai" snipping now to get your damage in before moving.

Not really much anyone can do about that though.  All metrics are inherently flawed.

[Gashtag 12,000]

Interesting but still doesn't take into account the things that can swing a battle, or Spotting damage, cap reset etc...Just looks like another damage.kill metric.

Can see a lot more "Chai" snipping now to get your damage in before moving.

 

You can't be best in server at dealing damage and being a CHAI sniper. It just doesn't work like that. You need to be leading at the front for the longest possible time. CHAI sniping is only ever useful when you're making a last stand in a guaranteed loss game.

 

They can only work with what's in the API too. So sadly no spotting.

[CarbonatedPork 1,585]

Ehh, still promotes degenerate play. You will be handsomely rewarded if you let your teammates die while you farm damage behind the fight then cleanup with no competition for the remaining enemy HP. Doesn't matter if you win or lose as long as you cannibalize your team's targets.

 

Edit: Can we get a "fuck all metrics" option? Otherwise I guess the default would be WN8 since it's already implemented. Don't care for either, though.

Edited April 24, 2015 by CarbonatedPork

[Trobs 670]

Still a stat padding metric. I know they are working with the API provided by WG, but there is more to winning a battle then damage/kills.

[Garbad 10,517]

This is pretty much the kewei rating -- how close is your dpg to server top.  But I consider that a lot more valuable for epeening than arbitrary expected values.  And if its impossible to pad, so much the better.

 

And dpg based metrics will always be flawed, but people still love them.

[CraBeatOff 5,741]

Before praetor left, we discussed making a mean and variance scaled system - but kudos to the XVM guys for putting in the effort to code one. Seems very useful as comparing per-tank values with a unified rating is something WN8 isn't valid for even though everyone does it. Its nice to have DPG and KPG scaled across tanks. Is there an external website using this yet? I don't want to install XVM to inspect if I can avoid it. 

[_Dia 2,082]

Bulba confirmed kill guys. F to pay respects.

[Garbad 10,517]

Before praetor left, we discussed making a mean and variance scaled system - but kudos to the XVM guys for putting in the effort to code one. Seems very useful as comparing per-tank values with a unified rating is something WN8 isn't valid for even though everyone does it. Its nice to have DPG and KPG scaled across tanks. Is there an external website using this yet? I don't want to install XVM to inspect if I can avoid it. 

Only in russian atm.

[RealBattousai 248]

Interesting but still doesn't take into account the things that can swing a battle, or Spotting damage, cap reset etc...Just looks like another damage.kill metric.

Can see a lot more "Chai" snipping now to get your damage in before moving.

 

Unfortunately spotting is a WG API limitation...look at this potato game...

5k spotting but only 1300 dmg...so WN8 = potato.

 

[Garbad 10,517]

Bulba confirmed kill. F to pay respects.

And yes, I predict there are some very angry bulbas.  A lot of padders are going to take a headshot.

[Xen 805]

It needs to include spotting damage and win rate. Then it's perfect.

[YesThatWasAPCR 1,600]

This may be the first game I have ever played that winning doesn't figure in to how good you are.

[engineered 499]

It needs to include spotting damage and win rate. Then it's perfect.

Even just winrate (since spotting is not completely possible) would look like an improvement.

[CraBeatOff 5,741]

It needs to include spotting damage and win rate. Then it's perfect as good as possible given WG shitty record keeping and the effects of history and maturation.

 FTFY

[Xen 805]

Couldn't the XVM mod track the solo win rate of everyone, by the way? There's at least one XVM user in every single battle above tier 1. Knowing everyone's solo win rate would really help metrics like this.

[Trobs 670]

This may be the first game I have ever played that winning doesn't figure in to how good you are.

 

Which is fucking retarded

[Xen 805]

 FTFY

 

As good as possible means it's perfect as the rating itself does not have any flaws (i.e. it's flawless which means exactly the same as perfect).

[MrsmilieyfaceC8 668]

so another silly metric that doesn't matter lol.

not like I won't end up padding this in newer tanks tho

[Garbad 10,517]

It needs to include spotting damage and win rate. Then it's perfect.

There is a large, ongoing debate on including other variables, including win rate, base exp/game, and defense points.  They have a second version to compare but the majority of the russians prefer only damage/kills.

 

 

Before praetor left, we discussed making a mean and variance scaled system - but kudos to the XVM guys for putting in the effort to code one. Seems very useful as comparing per-tank values with a unified rating is something WN8 isn't valid for even though everyone does it. Its nice to have DPG and KPG scaled across tanks. Is there an external website using this yet? I don't want to install XVM to inspect if I can avoid it. 

I've got your data pulled up if you have a specific question.  Your most played tanks are 90-95ish.  Some shitters.  You are a top 100 server player in IS-6, 212, 261, T32, M48, and E-100.