Jump to content
Sgt. Pepper

Tiger 2 - the harder and slower Tiger 1

Recommended Posts

Wat.

 

Impossible. The Tort has the best gun in the game. Brit 120s are the best guns in the game. Tier 8 German kwakannones do not compare.

Im sorry but my my KT's 105 L/68 does not miss a static waffle 9 at 200 meters twice unlike the L1A1

Link to post
Share on other sites

Having just finished the grind (free exp for the last 33k, couldn't stand this turd), here are some thoughts.

1. This tank is basically MM's bitch. It's competitive when top tier and is actually decent at bullying 6s and 7s with its health pool and workable armour. Once you introduce 9s though, the armour becomes nothing but a fucking deadweight. It's basically one of those tanks that looks good on paper but performs at a disappointing level.

2. Nothing to leverage on when you face 9s and 10s. My biggest issue with this support tank is the lack of any strengths that allow it to perform well in any matchup. The T32 has that monstrous turret, the 110 its strong armour profile when the LFP is covered and the IS-3 for its great mobility, respectable alpha and great gun bloom (where's your advantage now, KT?). Don't tell me this thing is good at side scraping. Please, even the T32 has better side armour for that.

In summary, you get a tank that tries to be the jack of all trades but a failure of several (master of chai sniping maybe).

Link to post
Share on other sites

You leverage your gun in tier 9/10 games. You have to be careful but you can shoot into the dogpile and help your teammates. When the campers on other side do same you start shooting them to back them off.

Link to post
Share on other sites

You leverage your gun in tier 9/10 games. You have to be careful but you can shoot into the dogpile and help your teammates. When the campers on other side do same you start shooting them to back them off.

I don't think anyone can deny that the gun is good (even the haters). My beef with the machine is that the platform is just so mediocre and doesn't allow it to harness the power of that gun in many situations. Assuming liberal gold use, the T32 is so much more superior when fighting 9s and above.

To me, how well a tank stacks up against higher tiers is a defining characteristic of how great it is. And the KT just falls short compared to its peers in that regard.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't think anyone can deny that the gun is good (even the haters). My beef with the machine is that the platform is just so mediocre and doesn't allow it to harness the power of that gun in many situations. Assuming liberal gold use, the T32 is so much more superior when fighting 9s and above.

To me, how well a tank stacks up against higher tiers is a defining characteristic of how great it is. And the KT just falls short compared to its peers in that regard.

 

like 3/4 of the battles will be against tier 8 or 9 opponents max, so how a tank performs vs tier 10 is fairly irrelevant (you win ~50-55% of those anyway given enough sample size) and against tier 9 tanks, KT does much better as T32, 200 pen and ghetto accuray mean you will either need to spam tons of gold, or learn to suffer shit games due to lolbounces, KT on the other hand has no problem hitting any tier 9 tank head on, except VK-P and E75 (and gold can fix that)

 

try this with any other tank besides a KT :P 

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

 

 

try this with any other tank besides a KT

 

I'm surprised you managed to cupola/turret face snipe fellow KTs while barely taking damage in return.

 

Let's take an IS-3. Bigger alpha, 122mm gun to overmatch enemy KT's turret roofs, better mobility and a far superior sidescraping profile. Do enlighten me how a KT trumps an IS-3 in those exact circumstances. 

 

 

 

 

like 3/4 of the battles will be against tier 8 or 9 opponents max, so how a tank performs vs tier 10 is fairly irrelevant (you win ~50-55% of those anyway given enough sample size)

 

 

I beg to differ. Even against 8s, a hulldown T32 has much better survivability and allows you to pump out damage while barely taking any in return. Can the KT say the same when it faces 225 pen guns (much less tier 9s with > 250 pen)?

 

In terms of sidescraping ability (which you have indubitably demonstrated in that replay), where is the KT's advantage over the T32's? With the T32's smaller profile and monstrous turret face, I opine that it is even superior in that regard (76 mm side armour on T32 vs 80mm on KT, such difference, much wow). 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Finished the grind last week for the on track.211 games 48% winrate. only really got it to work in the last 25-30 games.

As others said ran the 88 until long 105 was avail. Didnt have free xp when I first got it so started pretty bad, not making same mistake with the E75 lol.

In tier 8 battles could pull 3k-4k wn8, tier 10 under 500, too aggressive.

I actually completed the HT 15 mission with the KT so it can work.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm surprised you managed to cupola/turret face snipe fellow KTs while barely taking damage in return.

 

Let's take an IS-3. Bigger alpha, 122mm gun to overmatch enemy KT's turret roofs, better mobility and a far superior sidescraping profile. Do enlighten me how a KT trumps an IS-3 in those exact circumstances. 

 

 

I beg to differ. Even against 8s, a hulldown T32 has much better survivability and allows you to pump out damage while barely taking any in return. Can the KT say the same when it faces 225 pen guns (much less tier 9s with > 250 pen)?

 

In terms of sidescraping ability (which you have indubitably demonstrated in that replay), where is the KT's advantage over the T32's? With the T32's smaller profile and monstrous turret face, I opine that it is even superior in that regard (76 mm side armour on T32 vs 80mm on KT, such difference, much wow). 

 

 

IS3 would have never detrack killed the other KT, same it would never have hit the E75 and VK-P over and over (the accuracy is too bad)

 

and due to front mount turret, IS3 is a fairly poor sidescraper, a large part of the UFP can be hit, so its often better to angle about 10 deg and stick half your front out, showing the extra sloped UFP

 

T32 would have ended in failure here, no accuracy and no pen it would have never killed those t9 heavys or that KV4 / KT.

 

T32 overall is also overrated a bit, yes its very good, but no its the godly noobstomper some make it sound it is. Outside hull down the armor is nothing special, no spaced armor, no strong UFP, nothing, and while the gun has decent dpm (not that high!!) the pen is bad, the accuracy awefull, the aim time only average and the bloom quite bad, its firepower is simply piss poor....

 

Sure its mobile, but its not an IS3, infact, its due to slow turning closer to a KT as an IS3....

 

ps: not saying T32 is bad, far from, but for me there is little reason to play it, T34 is also good hull down, and it earns atleast a ton of credits and else i can drive IS3 for mobility or KT for the firepower

Link to post
Share on other sites

KT is the thing that I accidentally WN8 padded in without even noticing while grinding it.

It's so good and reliable.
Just don't expect armour to do stuff, but take some low percentage shots, they get through enemies. Opponent returns fire, they usually don't.
You can play it as a slow medium.
It snipes.

It plays like a fast heavy with good firepower and decent depression.

I ran mine with rammer, vstab and optics and was surprised how I could make stuff out of it. It spots.
Keep moving, keep hitting, outhit everything smaller, outflank, outspot and snipe everything bigger. 

Aaargh thinking about it I want my KT back, E75 while good stronk armour beast feels like a slight disappointment due to lol what is dpm?

Link to post
Share on other sites

Tiger 2 with APCR can rape face in tier 10. Right through that E100 turret face with minimal aiming. Can hit that sliver of IS7 LFP from 300. Track shots from long range for that dank assistant damage? Check!

Link to post
Share on other sites

Love my KT, the stock grind is the easiest so far in my limited number of games played. I had a game where I have 4.5k dmg while using the long 88 and just laugh at T29, IS bouncing all over me. That was still the highest dmg game I've had in my KT and only 50 lower than my record which was scored in the Tiger. maybe it is because I play in the SEA severs so no one have try and shoot my turret top so I CAN abuse my armor to some extent. I ate IS3, 6, KV4 for breakfast and maybe struggle with T34 when they're hull down. All in all solid tank but it relies on the driver and the MM alot.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Well, you know, I took the equipment and crew off the KT a good while ago and moved them over to the E 75 because I was really really impatient to get the E 75 going.  It hasn't been a winning machine for me, really.  About the same DPG as my M103, but 47% WR compared to the M103's 54%, despite the E 75 being platooned considerably more often.  In short, I've been missing my KT a lot, in part since my other two regular 8s are the T32 and Pershing, both of which are usually expensive tanks for me to run, while the KT was a credit-maker, plus just having good AP pen is fun.

Then I saw this thread:

View PostNecrolegion, on Aug 18 2015 - 15:41, said:

So this weekend happened, I was swimming in silver, went to the tech tree and saw this beautiful E-75 all alone in the corner. I bought it some equipment pieces and consumables, one thing led to another and I ended up bringing the E-75 over to my place and you know what happened next....

 

I unloaded the crew from my Tiger II onto the E-75

 

As you can see from my siggy, the E-75 is my first step into tier 9 territory. I now have this empty Tiger II with no crew. Should I sell it and pretend that affair never happened, or keep it as my side b****? I have a disposable B2 crew laying around. Should I transfer them to the Tiger II? What do I do?!

 

Thanks

 

And I got dem feels.  Sentimental about a pixeltank?  Yeah, that's me in spades.  I'm not a tank-selling kinda guy, really.

 

My response, slightly amended :

 

View PostFlorbFnarb, on Aug 18 2015 - 21:58, said:

 

 

 

Well, if you're me, you start out thinking you're trading up when you get an E 75.  Same sexy curves angles as the KT, except the E 75 has even more up front, you know?  I mean, she's really stacked, the kind of tank where you wanna show her off in town and make your buddies envious.  When you first hook up, it's easy-peasy, and once the relationship progresses to the elite stage, you definitely have a couple crazy, wild, break the bed MM kinda nights, where afterward you just sit back in awe of your own studliness, thinking "Man, I really aced her good.  I aced her so #$&%ing hard, probably harder than anybody has ever aced her before."  And for a while you just have fun playing with those big ol' glacis plates, you know?  Cuz let's admit it: the E 75 has a really massive pair of glacis plates.

 
But eventually, you end up realizing there's more to a tank than just the size of her glacis plates.  I mean, don't get me wrong, here: big is good, and the E 75's glacis plates are both large and pleasantly shaped.  But still...you notice that you're giving miss E 75 your best efforts, but you aren't getting that much in return.  Just getting her, ummmm...into action, so to speak, is a slow, laborious process, and even once you get her going, you find that she isn't always the amazing ride rumor makes her out to be.  A few crazy nights later, you realize that she just isn't that satisfying. Yeah, sometimes you had those wild, crazy nights where it was one awesome match after another, she was taking everything you gave her, until you woke the neighbors with your cries of YEAH!  OH YEAH!  OH GOD YES JUST LIKE THAT as you blap one enemy after another, until the match ends and you finally hit the sack and turn the light out, spent and slightly exhausted from the effort.  Unfortunately, those nights are very rare.  More common are the nights where you go the extra mile, put out all that effort and attention to getting her oh so slowly into action...and then armor or not, you get four-shot, and after only getting two shots off.  Sixty seconds after actual contact and you're done, spent, finished, your load shot, leaving you frustrated, a little angry and a lot embarrassed, and when she says "it happens to every tanker sometimes" she somehow makes you feel even worse about it.  You could just exit the match and play another battle, but somehow you find yourself turning in early, suspecting that it wouldn't be worth the effort.  Your evenings together start ending like this more frequently.  What's worse, the E75 is an expensive date, and to top it off, the whole thing is becoming embarrassing enough you don't dare double-date platoon with friends anymore; she's embarrassed you in front of your friends far too many times.
 
Then you start thinking about the good ol' KT.  KaTie, or Brunhilde the Valkyrie as you called her.  No, she didn't give you those ace matches...but neither did she embarrass you in front of your friends.  When you were ready for action, she would actually get up and go, like the only place she wanted to be was in the fight with you.  As soon as the countdown ended, she was moving, practically purring in your ear, "I'm ready to do this with you all night long."  Ace matches or not, she was a fun ride, she moved just right, and she knew exactly where you wanted her shots to go.  You ended a night with KaTie exhausted but satisfied
 
Poor KaTie that you left alone in the garage, with no crew or equipment; how badly you treated her when you got all hot in the pants for the E 75.  I mean, she didn't expect you to be hers exclusively; nobody does that in WoT.  But stripping her of her crew and equipment to give to the E 75?  Real classy, man.  It isn't as though she's the 3601; the 3601 got slow and fat for some reason, yet you didn't see fit to move her crew and equipment.
 
So you feel kinda sad, and more than a little guilty at how shabbily you treated a classy lady like KaTie.  She never let you down, and yet you ran off after a tank with a bigger pair of glacis plates.  Honesty, although KaTie isn't quite as generously endowed up front millimeter-wise as the E 75, she still has the same sexy angles - maybe even better, depending on taste.  So what was it you were after?  Honestly, you have a hard time remembering.
 
But in the end...KaTie is still in your garage.  Bereft of equipment and crew, but still there, waiting patiently.  She holds no grudges, and never judges.  She knows you're currently having a fling with that Russian IS-3, or Natasha as you think of her, although KaTie just calls her "The Black Widow".  KaTie knows your little black book still holds the phone number of that petite little junior college tank, T1na Cunningham, and she doesn't mind at all (although she does hope you checked her ID first, for goodness' sake.)  She knows you drop by and see all three of the Pershing Sisters (Regular Pershing, Super Pershing and T32 Ultra-Pershing) fairly often.  Hell, she knows you still drop by and see her own country cousin, the Tiger I, and she doesn't mind.  (You call her Helga for fun. Yeah, she's a little flat in front, but she knows how to move, and she likes to go out in a field somewhere and just do it out in the open.  Remember those lazy Sunday afternoons you and Helga would find a nice sunny hilltop on Redshire or Westfield and DPM each other's brains out?  Yeah, so does she.)
 
KaTie doesn't care.  Save up for some equipment and a crew, or just take them from the 3601.  Hell, buy KaTie some nice, slinky camo, take her out for a night on the town (or in the country; she's flexible like that) and show her a good time.  Maybe peel off that utilitarian old AFE (KaTie's too young for hot flashes anyway) and give her a bite of Chocolate; you know that stuff really gets her going.
 
Make her your Brunhilde liebchen again.  You know you want to.
 
 

So yeah, now I'm basically grinding credits to put some equipment back on ol KaTie, move a crew in, give her some sexxeh camo, and take my Brunhilde liebchen for a ride.

:tank:

Also, just to be clear: comparisons to the IS-3 are absurd and pointless.  Of course the Tiger 2 doesn't measure up to the IS-3.  Nothing in the tier does, really, not the T32 that has always impressed me, not the Pershing, not the Type 59, not the IS-6 that is so beloved (even by me) and not even (I feel ashamed to admit) the damned Super Pershing.  The IS-3 is just undeniably over-fucking-powered to a ridiculous degree.  I never really thought it was when I was facing them - I never found it too hard to pen unless it was hull-down, and I knew which of my tanks could tank its shots under what circumstances, which could flank it successfully, etc. and so forth.

Then I got one myself, and saw the truth.  I only have a relative handful of matches in it, but the thing is just ridiculous.  It's got just about everything - armor, pen, alpha, workable accuracy, good gun handling, and excellent mobility for a heavy tank.  The view range is poor and the DPM is weak, but not nearly enough to be a serious limitation.  The only serious downside is the gun depression.  You have to be extremely careful, because even the gentlest slope might be more than your depression can handle - nothing else means much.

So yeah, don't bother with the "It's not as good as the IS-3" argument.  Nothing in the tier is as good as the IS-3.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I have to admit that I have been struggling with the KT. At least insofar as being consistent with it.

On the plus side I have managed to complete HT15 (Stug IV) with this tank. (On El Halouf I got into a ridiculous position where I got shot at A LOT but was at an autobounce angle.)

The bad part is I struggle to do damage. (I'm averaging 900ish per game.) After reflection I would say that I'm not picking my engagements wisely and my positioning is probably crap. (I'm at work so can't share replays at the moment but will add to this tonight.)

I'll be honest I'm a little frustrated because I feel that I've finally gotten the hang of the Tiger I but the feel of this tank continues to elude me. (Tiger I I try to conserve my HP early game, get into positions where I can snipe and fall back. Mid game I start probing for gaps to exploit, flanking pockets of resistance. Late game is clean up.) I've tried to play KT similarly but results have not been positive. (Gun handling seems a mite sluggish in comparison, reload on long 105 vs. long 88 longer, 105 has had some derpy shots for me too like missing the sides of stationary tanks that the 88 seems to not have.)

Thoughts?

 

-Rodrigopine

 

Link to post
Share on other sites

I saw a big difference when going from the 88 to the 105 @Rodrigopine but I skipped the middle 105 and went straight to the last one. This thing can bounce if angled properly... 900 average damage is way low though. 

Pick your fights, this isn't a slow tank. It's pretty accurate and the gun does *boom* pretty decently. I dunno, I am not a good enough player to give really good advice.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I have to admit that I have been struggling with the KT. At least insofar as being consistent with it.

On the plus side I have managed to complete HT15 (Stug IV) with this tank. (On El Halouf I got into a ridiculous position where I got shot at A LOT but was at an autobounce angle.)

The bad part is I struggle to do damage. (I'm averaging 900ish per game.) After reflection I would say that I'm not picking my engagements wisely and my positioning is probably crap. (I'm at work so can't share replays at the moment but will add to this tonight.)

I'll be honest I'm a little frustrated because I feel that I've finally gotten the hang of the Tiger I but the feel of this tank continues to elude me. (Tiger I I try to conserve my HP early game, get into positions where I can snipe and fall back. Mid game I start probing for gaps to exploit, flanking pockets of resistance. Late game is clean up.) I've tried to play KT similarly but results have not been positive. (Gun handling seems a mite sluggish in comparison, reload on long 105 vs. long 88 longer, 105 has had some derpy shots for me too like missing the sides of stationary tanks that the 88 seems to not have.)

Thoughts?

 

-Rodrigopine

 

Here is a replay that I think will give viewers an idea of where I'm at with the KT. It's a slightly above average game for me.

http://wotreplays.com/site/2113809#windstorm-rodrigopine-tiger_ii

 

-Rodrigopine

Link to post
Share on other sites

I really like the machine. I'm still grinding the top gun (I use the 8.8 until I have the best one) and I feel this machine has very reliable armor when you don't face T9s and T10s. Unfortunately it is like dying in a fire if you do.

But thats a problem every tank with this kind of armor-type has. You either have the speed to outdance your opponents or you have the armor to face them. Until someone with a higher tier just wrecks you through your front.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I really like the machine. I'm still grinding the top gun (I use the 8.8 until I have the best one) and I feel this machine has very reliable armor when you don't face T9s and T10s. Unfortunately it is like dying in a fire if you do.

But thats a problem every tank with this kind of armor-type has. You either have the speed to outdance your opponents or you have the armor to face them. Until someone with a higher tier just wrecks you through your front.

"Armor" hah. funny. Even though I finished the grind. I will say that this tank has no armor to speak of. The top 105 on itself can actually pen its own UFP with relative consistency. You have to make people THINK you have armor by sidescraping and only exposing your UFP. I will say though, the gun bloom is absolutely lovely. I had no problem firing on the move with it.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I just couldnt pour out damage with it. Sidescrapping is not effective enough and turret can be penned everywhere.

My dmg ratio in it was almost 1:1.....really played below my standarts.

Link to post
Share on other sites

I just couldnt pour out damage with it. Sidescrapping is not effective enough and turret can be penned everywhere.

My dmg ratio in it was almost 1:1.....really played below my standarts.

Yeah, I honestly think that if they got rid of the 122mm retarded overmatch turret roof (people try doing that to my E-75, I laugh joyously), the tank would be ten times better.

Link to post
Share on other sites

One good game out of lots of other mediocre ones does suggest it's luck.

Well I am a mediocre player at best but if you could give me tips on the replay on where I was lucky / how I could become better, I will appreciate it. :D

Link to post
Share on other sites

"Armor" hah. funny. Even though I finished the grind. I will say that this tank has no armor to speak of. The top 105 on itself can actually pen its own UFP with relative consistency. You have to make people THINK you have armor by sidescraping and only exposing your UFP. I will say though, the gun bloom is absolutely lovely. I had no problem firing on the move with it.

The frontal armor is actually quite strong against IS-6es, even when spamming gold.  If you close to extremely close range, then (1) you've protected your LFP, (2) your UFP is strong enough to bounce their shots, (3) your turret face is almost invulnerable to AP and a tough shot to hit even with APCR, and (4) you've protected your turret roof.

I unwisely closed with a KT in my IS-6 and he proceeded to bounce all my shots but one.  :(

Link to post
Share on other sites

The frontal armor is actually quite strong against IS-6es, even when spamming gold.  If you close to extremely close range, then (1) you've protected your LFP, (2) your UFP is strong enough to bounce their shots, (3) your turret face is almost invulnerable to AP and a tough shot to hit even with APCR, and (4) you've protected your turret roof.

I unwisely closed with a KT in my IS-6 and he proceeded to bounce all my shots but one.  :(

I don't like the IS-6 gun much... bounce city all day long.

But you are right about the armor it is a bit situational but as a top tier it can bounce.

Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.

×
×
  • Create New...