Garbad Ranks the t8 Tanks - 5/11/2015

[Garbad 10,517]

Stannis is the one true king of Westeros.

[HairlesMonkyBoy 94]

LTTB seems to be missing. And you didn't include the tier 8 lights in your tier 9 tank rankings.

[Garbad 10,517]

LTTB seems to be missing. And you didn't include the tier 8 lights in your tier 9 tank rankings.

Oops.  LTTB would be about the same as the 131.

[Dlur 2,350]

Too lazy to search.  Have you played the 54 proto or just summarizing?

[Garbad 10,517]

Too lazy to search.  Have you played the 54 proto or just summarizing?

I was gifted it but haven't had time to play a lot yet.  And yes, its grossly overrated.

[MrsmilieyfaceC8 668]

why is SU-101 not a 6 or better? Above average mobility, usable armor in a lot of situations with good camo and best gun in tier... I really liked it when I played it on diatomix, without the top gun spamming heat it's kinda trashy though.

also how is type that high up? It has an awful gun and shit ammo capacity, a terrible combination.

also CDC not a 10? it combines the best part of light tanks(minus camo lol) but with a better gun and less terrible matchmaking.

also T32 a 5? it can punish tierX baddies and is really arty resistant in my experience. Also can carry hard because everything about it is OP. I'd say 8 at minimum. it's only downside is the gun is just average.

I'd put panther88 at 1 becaue it's trash.

[dualmaster333 3,324]

If you're talking about winning, the Bulldog isn't anywhere close to that high.  Maybe a 6.  At best.

[TSA_Boomer 23]

It seams that the Tiger 2 is missing.  If so I would put it with the T34.

[Cunicularius 4,543]

Isu over Jp2? What are you on?

[Garbad 10,517]

It seams that the Tiger 2 is missing.  If so I would put it with the T34.

Tiger 2 = KT, 5/10.

 

Isu over Jp2? What are you on?

Yes.  Jp2 has some great strengths but lack of camo and constant bloom reset hurt it a lot.  Plus I don't know why, but the ISU always seems to work better.  Both are excellent though.

 

 

If you're talking about winning, the Bulldog isn't anywhere close to that high.  Maybe a 6.  At best.

I doubt that.  Walker is the only light that isn't a liability vs a medium of the same MMing.  I bet its in the top 25% in tier for win rate.

 

why is SU-101 not a 6 or better? Above average mobility, usable armor in a lot of situations with good camo and best gun in tier... I really liked it when I played it on diatomix, without the top gun spamming heat it's kinda trashy though.

also how is type that high up? It has an awful gun and shit ammo capacity, a terrible combination.

also CDC not a 10? it combines the best part of light tanks(minus camo lol) but with a better gun and less terrible matchmaking.

also T32 a 5? it can punish tierX baddies and is really arty resistant in my experience. Also can carry hard because everything about it is OP. I'd say 8 at minimum. it's only downside is the gun is just average.

I'd put panther88 at 1 becaue it's trash.

SU101 is a camo sniper in a corridor meta.  Its got crap depression and limited traverse which sucks in corridors, plus its soft and low hp so when forced to trade shots it loses even to inferior tanks.  Its just not good, despite its great camo/speed/dpm.

 

Types gun sucks but still has one of the best overall packages in wot.  Its a bully, flexible, and just wins. 

CDC = 10, P88 = 1?  Sorry bro but a little speed doesn't change things that much.  CDC is a great tank, but its lack of camo and frailness and weakness vs tier 10/e50 shitlords make it so I can't give it a 10.  P88 is likewise mediocre, but not awful.  Its just t8 meds in general are not that stronk.

[Trumpetah 341]

 

OVERALL RANKING:

10 - IS-6

 

9 - Type 59, 416

 

8 - 110, IS-3, T69, Walker Bulldog

 

7 - Roomba, ISU, AMX 50 100, FCM, CDC

 

6 - JP2, T-44, Pershing, T-34-3, 112, WZ-111, KV-5

 

5 - WZ-131, T71, Vk45, Ferd, KT, T32, T-34-2, J88, AT-15, T-54P, Charioteer

 

4 - T28P, AMX 13 75, 1948, STA, STA-2, Panther 2, IP, Panther 88

 

3 - T34, Centurion, Caenarvon, Super Pershing, T95E2

 

2 - Type 62, KV-4, Lowe, T28

 

1 - SU-101, Monster 6

 

0 - Awfulpanther

 

NOTES:

 

 

Ranking: 10

 

IS-6 - Limited MMing, high dpm/alpha, effective and predictable armor, and decent agility make this one a true monster

 

 

Ranking: 9

 

Type 59 - Limited MMing, superb armor/camo for a medium, ok agility, and derpy but decent firepower make the legendary Type a winner

 

416 - Crushing firepower, obscene camo, good agility.  Kewei averages more DPG in this than most bulbonic tier 10s.

 

 

Ranking: 8

 

110 - Upper plate can bounce gold combined with good alpha, mobility, and toughness.

 

IS-3 - Soft upper plate, but still a lot of toughness to work with good agility, good firepower.

 

T69 - Significantly weaker than it was once, but it still has a lot of strengths -- good burst spamming heat, view range/camo, good mobility.

 

Walker Bulldog - Endless APCR spam on a good mobility, good camo hull make this the king of all scouts

 

 

Ranking: 7

 

Roomba - Railgun power, superb camo, one of the best camo sniping vision abusers in game...yet corridor meta, HE bait, and very slow

 

ISU - Hits stupidly hard, bounces more than one would expect.  Somehow seems better than the sum of its parts.

 

AMX 50 100 - One of the few autoloaders not nerfed into oblivion, the 50100's volley is murderous.  Everything else is terrible.

 

FCM - Limited MMing and excellent speed for its class turn an otherwise shitlord "heavy" into a very serviceable quasi medium

 

CDC - One of the most ideal blends of speed, firepower, and camo in game, yet it suffers from weak armor, size, and against higher tiers

 

 

Ranking: 6

 

JP2 - Hard hitting, troll hull down, good mobility...but significantly hurt by crap camo and poor gun traverse

 

T-44 - excellent mobility and camo, true communist wedge flexibility...but firepower isn't that great

 

Pershing - Excellent hull down with an underrated mantlet, good at peekaboom but slow, soft body, and gun can be sketchy

 

T-34-3 - perhaps the most RNG dependent tank in WOT, but it has the strengths of the superb T-54 hull (camo, toughness, agility, and a big gun...with -3 depression, ghetto pen, and poor fire

control.  Limited MMing.  Very high peaks, rage inducing lows.

 

112 - Limited MM.  Debatably the best armor scheme in any tank in WOT, but soft lower plate, fire prone, and ghetto chinese gun quality

 

WZ-111 - Practically identical to the 112, with a different armor setup (imo worse, but some favor it)

 

KV-5 - Limited MM.  The big soviet box has bottomless HP, thick slabs of raw armor, and huge dpm/alpha...but a lot of people just spam gold right through you.

 

 

Ranking: 5

 

WZ-131 - Excellent agility and camo with big firepower, but very poor on the move.  Underrated tank by many people.

 

T71 - Another excellent scout with good firepower, but its just a bit too frail for its opponents.

 

Vk45 - A heavyium with ok firepower and ~220 effective toughness...but just not quite enough of anything to get past mediocre.

 

Ferd - hard hitting, fair toughness, but terribly slow and gold spam really hurts you.

 

KT - Excellent firepower with fair toughness, but once again, power creep and gold spam left it behind a bit.

 

T-32 - A hull down king that sadly uses a tier 7 gun.

 

T-34-2 - Great mobility, camo, and even a hard hat but the gun lets you down way too often.

 

J88 - Limited MMing.  High DPM, good pen, and a pretty hard superstructure let you bully a lot of pubs...but not the smart ones.

 

AT-15 - Another pub abuser -- good dpm, armor that retards can't pen, but just too slow and limited.

 

T-54P - Excellent armor, comparable to the best in tier, but firepower is mediocre even by medium standards and mobility is unimpressive

 

Charioteer - Godlike firepower and HESH that rapes people in tier 8 on a hull that is terrible in every way.

 

 

Ranking: 4

 

T28P - Pretty good firepower and decently hard armor, but not really much better than heavies and its slow and low HP

 

AMX 13 75 - its fast, small, a good scout that can clip out cancer...and otherwise, can't really do damage

 

1948 - Hard frontal profile, good agility, ok firepower...yet the total package just doesn't work.  Doesn't fit its role.

 

STA - Pretty good DPM in a hull down peekaboom, but no mantlet make it worse than others in that role and has nothing else that's notable.

 

STA-2 - See above.  Its a clone.  Mediocre, not bad.

 

Panther 2 - Not hard enough to play like a heavyium, leaving a tank with ok firepower, ok speed, and nothing else.

 

IP - Excessive bloom and role limitations make an otherwise excellent tank lackluster.

 

Panther 88 - similar to the panther2, crap camo, soft armor, and limited role make this one merely meh.

 

 

Ranking: 3

 

T34 - Its a hull that was merely decent in tier 7 combined with horrific bloom/accuracy.  Your reward?  10 more alpha than soviet bias.

 

Centurion - stronk hull down peekaboom, but slow, soft, poor camo, and 230 alpha doesn't really intimidate.

 

Caenarvon - similar to its sister, but even slower and armor that pretty much never works

 

Super Pershing - Limited MMing is its only asset.  Medium firepower and armor that relies on stupidity and rng doesn't make for a good tank.

 

T95E2 - Body design negates its hull down potential, leaving a tank with no real assets -- mediocre speed, camo, firepower, toughness.

 

 

Ranking: 2

 

Type 62 - good agility, camo, and scouting but firepower is woefully inadequate against most opponents

 

KV-4 - glaring weakness in the upper front plate make this tank a lot softer than you would hope, combined with inferior DPM + bloom

 

Lowe - SLOOOOOWE, plus inaccurate ranged fire, soft armor.  Pretty good in some hull down spots, otherwise its food for everything

 

T28 - Good camo, good toughness frontally, ok firepower...but far too slow and limited

 

 

Ranking: 1

 

SU-101 - its a frail, low alpha camo sniper in a corridor meta.

 

Monster 6 - extreme lack of camo, side armor plus poor speed, only ~200 toughness at best point, no hull down, tier 7 gun...jesus christ.

 

 

Ranking: 0

 

Awfulpanther - Take a bulky, shitty camo tier 8 medium, put a tier 5 gun on it and then give it worse matchmaking.  Then give it less HP.

 

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Let the debate begin!

 

I found your formatting hard to read, so I touched it up a bit.

[Valachio 838]

IS-6 sucks now.  I don't touch it other than for special missions.  Accuracy nerf fucked it up

[_Assad 3,538]

Smiley

>implying su 101

>lol

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[MacusFlash 2,270]

Charioteer - not enough ammo to carry. 

[weesh 669]

AMX 13 75 - its fast, small, a good scout that can clip out cancer...and otherwise, can't really do damage

 

A tank with best in class camo, excellent accuracy, 200 pen can't deal damage?

It's an autoloader that can take opportunistic shots since the reload is only 15 seconds.  

 

Granted, the power level might be right at around 4, but I'd have put it at least one notch higher.  It trades power for a lot of flexibility, and that flexibility often matters.  

 

The ability to spam shots early game gives it something to do while you wait for mid game, and in mid game, the clip is enough to handle tanks bigger than arty.  

 

The only buff this tank needs is 18 more shells.  

[RollerCoaster47 758]

JPII is best tier 8 TD, there is no debate.

[Theaty 21]

Type 59 over IS-6…

[kunjuro 277]

JPII is best tier 8 TD, there is no debate.

As Billy Mays said this, it must be true. #JP2bestboxtenk

[sundanceHelix 356]

I'm sorry for my ignorance, but what is the Monster 6?

[RollerCoaster47 758]

I'm sorry for my ignorance, but what is the Monster 6?

 

Also called the Mutant 6.  American heavy given to beta testers I believe.  It's that really tall heavy that looks like a M6.

 

[sundanceHelix 356]

*snip*

 

Ah, okay thanks a lot!

[Medjed 2,619]

Type59's gun is cancer and it's the only tank i'd change in the list and put it at 7 instead of 9. Just my opinion.

[Cunicularius 4,543]

IS-6 sucks now.  I don't touch it other than for special missions.  Accuracy nerf fucked it up

Hahaha, see? I told yous, the accuracy nerf really fucked with 122s but then everybody says, "Hey, you can't even notice the difference!" Then why the fuck did they make the change?

[SONOFABENCH 210]

RHM with 15cm is best tier 8. Please close thread.

[Trobs 670]

I was gifted it but haven't had time to play a lot yet.  And yes, its grossly overrated.

 

It's a monster in 8s, manageable in 9s, shit in 10s.

 

I wish I agreed the IS-6 is a 10. Smart players shoot gold straight through it and the gun is literally as bad as the T-54FP