BAD BLOOD: CDC vs T-54P

[Garbad 10,517]

Stannis is the one true king of Westeros.

[CarbonWard 3,529]

Considering i got to 72% winrate tutoring a 400wn8 AMX50 100 who averages 700 damage per game.

 

Tanks with some semblance of armor will always have higher solo/2 man winrate than tanks with no armor, 3 man platoon would depend on comp.

 

 

You just have to look at Vbaddict's top exp players for both tanks, CDC has multiple players who dips below 60%, while 54 only has 1, if you scroll down further the trend does not stop.

[CraBeatOff 5,741]

Gryphon and I are fully backing RN's experienced adjusted data to produce cleaned up recent values for the next round of WN8 expected values.

 

Its a patch compared to using a 2 point system, but it cleans up the input data significantly, and will basically shake out exactly as you described when you brought it up. Thank you for your contribution to the WN8 process :-D I think Gryphon is just trying to build the system to replicate RN's processing. 

[Garbad 10,517]

Gryphon and I are fully backing RN's experienced adjusted data to produce cleaned up recent values for the next round of WN8 expected values.

 

Its a patch compared to using a 2 point system, but it cleans up the input data significantly, and will basically shake out exactly as you described when you brought it up. Thank you for your contribution to the WN8 process :-D I think Gryphon is just trying to build the system to replicate RN's processing. 

Our of curiosity what is the 2nd point for some common tanks, inlcuding the E-50 paddingwagon?

[CraBeatOff 5,741]

Our of curiosity what is the 2nd point for some common tanks, inlcuding the E-50 paddingwagon?

 

It looks like the xTE  standard or MoE %s, although RN has a data set on adjustments for speed somewhere.

[Evroz621 261]

Wth is with the potato pic of the T54p.

 

Id say the fcm is better besides camo rating.

[CarbonWard 3,529]

E50 is a merely symptom of the real "problem".

 

take Wz132, best scout in-game, mediocre firepower relative to its competitors. o as a result, players who focus on the strong point of the tank (scouting) will have less damage/kills than a combat oriented LT like RU251 or 13 90, so expected value is lower for the 132. but if someone plays its weakpoint(fire power) enough to compensate for its natural weakness, they will have higher Wn8.

 

The fact of the matter is, if you don't account for damage assisted in a formula that account for more than just damage dealt, you are always going to have a tank thats good for "padding"

[Garbad 10,517]

It looks like the xTE  standard or MoE %s, although RN has a data set on adjustments for speed somewhere.

3 MOE is impossible in some tanks, too low in others.  Should be based on actual performance, imo.  IE, xTE value.

 

EDIT - But I do like that XX should be top 100 on server, not #1.  Too often we have outliers, like kewei.  Its unfair to compare us mortals with a god.

 

Wth is with the potato pic of the T54p.

 

Id say the fcm is better besides camo rating.

I tried to take a pic of it hiding in some grass but it turned out too small and pixelated.  Oh well.  Goes with the digital camo, I guess.

[Garbad 10,517]

Where are all the T-54P fanboys?  You bitched about me giving it a 5/10 rating when I gave the CDC a 7/10.  Where are you now trying to claim its equal/better?

 

Is it or is it not an average tank?

[TheMarine0341 4,973]

I thought you had Luna take that picture of the T54P... nvm, thats too HQ for his standards

[Evroz621 261]

I thought you had Luna take that picture of the T54P... nvm, thats too HQ for his standards

Shots fired

[Garbad 10,517]

Since everyone wanted a higher res picture of the T-54P, I cranked up my computer:

 

[sr360 4,988]

Shots fired

 

But target not seen due to minimum draw distance settings...

[KaiKai 55]

which tank wins if one has the higher WR and the other the higher DPG?

[CarbonWard 3,529]

But target not seen due to minimum draw distance settings...

Please don't remind me of the old days where draw distance actually affected your ability to shoot at long distance.....................

[Garbad 10,517]

which tank wins if one has the higher WR and the other the higher DPG?

I dunno, I'm not even saying it has to be about win rate.  Personally credits/game makes the CDC grossly superior even if I win/pad more in the T-54P.  And for that matter I think CDC is only better than FCM if you play stronks.  Otherwise, buy an FCM, Type, and/or an IS-6.  Don't see the point of nonlimited, shit earning premiums.

[TankSplosions 130]

I voted 54P just because I'd like to revisit the T54 platform from scratch and see if I can outperform my stupefying badness in the actual T54. And I got drunk and bought one before I realized it really isn't anything like the T54. 

 

And I have actually started off in it exactly like I did in the T54: complete garbage. I can't figure out how the hell it's supposed to be played.

 

Having said that, I've still enjoyed it for no reason I can name; I just like driving it. Haven't played a lot in it but it's fairly comfortable except for the speed and the shit pen on the regular rounds.

 

All in all, it'll be a crew trainer and nothing more since as you say it makes shit for cash.

 

Haven't got the CDC (yet). May pick it up if get ballsy or drunk enough one day.

[Shifty_101st 1,144]

Where are all the T-54P fanboys?  You bitched about me giving it a 5/10 rating when I gave the CDC a 7/10.  Where are you now trying to claim its equal/better?

 

Is it or is it not an average tank?

No one will defend a tier 8 medium that can only perform when top tier.  With the CDC, it doesn't matter what tier you still have to play the same.  The CDC is a true medium by comparison, not some pocket heavy that has to rely somewhat on MM to perform well (at least that's what I see)

[Garbad 10,517]

TBH I can't see how WG will be able to sell prems.  CDC is pretty much the crown jewel of awesomeness that we've wanted for years...yet its still inferior to the boring FCM due to no limited.  And with the ubiquity of the IS-6 and the fact that its extremely unlikely any future premiums can outperform the IS-6/CDC...

 

In unrelated news, WOT's market share in the tanking MMO genre dropped below 50% today (~45% WT, 5% AW).

[TankSplosions 130]

By the way, you planning on replay packs?

[Garbad 10,517]

By the way, you planning on replay packs?

If people want them.  Highlight games are already on my replay page.

[jaggetto 0]

The CDC seems to be all too common on the server now, but I have a question. Is it a tank that is easily mastered or is it similar to the 50t...in the sense that it is one of those tanks that only good to great players know what to do with? The 54 seems like the more forgiving tank. Certainly the armor is more forgiving, even if the gun isn't. 

[Dlur 2,350]

I want to like the T54p, I really do.  I can get around the poor penetration issues it has by forgoing profits for APCR spamming.  But the thing I can't get around is its sluggishness.  As an example, last night in a Westfield match I found a distracted JPE100 hanging out in town.  I waited in hiding for him to fire, and the second I heard the BOOM I rushed to get behind him and shoot him in the pooper.  I'm no medium tank god, but the distance I had to close and the amount of time I had works in every single medium tank in my garage.  Not in the T54p.  He saw me coming ambling and started turning to cut me off.  Any other medium, again no problem, just juke and dodge a bit and I'd be right where I want to be, sticking my barrel up his rear access door.  Not in the T54p.  And yes I did die.  Fucking T54p.  Fucking slow piece of shit.

 

Despite this I'm still holding an 85% winrate in it (small sample size).

[Garbad 10,517]

I really, really, really wanted a premium T-44.  I got a superpershing v2.0.  :/

[FavreFan4ever 281]

But what is the sexiness level of the CDC? Without that vital piece of information, how are we to come to a conclusion?