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So we all know how far the Asia+Oceanic community and forums have changed over the last year and a half, generally for the worse. 

 

Just wanting to know, what would you do to fix the community and stop people leaving the forums? 

A lot of people over on the Asia side say that This is wrong, That is wrong, I would do this etc, but people never really seem to provide details of how they would fix the community. For our NA brethren who probably do not know, a lot of our Asia personalities have either been banned, or have left due to the sheer retardedness that has become of the server. 

But the question is, how would you restore the Asia+AU/NZ community, or is it just too far gone? 

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I personally would remove all mod intervention and let the forums dictate themselves 

That won't happen because WG isn't that insane and secondly, that is actually one way to make it a lot worse.

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So we all know how far the community and forums have changed over the last year and a half, generally for the worse. 

 

Just wanting to know, what would you do to fix the community and stop people leaving the forums? 

I personally would remove all mod intervention and let the forums dictate themselves, enable neg rep, and have mods only remove illegal things like porn / etc. 

What would you do? 

what is the point of this thread? i sincerely hope your trolling because everything you have said is beyond retarded. you want to let the wot general community manage itself

fendalton as much as i have enjoyed a lot of your posting there, people like you and me are the reason there needs to be proper moderation on the forums

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what is the point of this thread? i sincerely hope your trolling because everything you have said is beyond retarded. you want to let the wot general community manage itself

fendalton as much as i have enjoyed a lot of your posting there, people like you and me are the reason there needs to be proper moderation on the forums

I should probably rewrite my OP. 

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I should probably rewrite my OP. 

i agree that the moderation there is excessive, but its the same over at WT and AW forums. its just how official forums are.

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i agree that the moderation there is excessive, but its the same over at WT and AW forums. its just how official forums are.

I completely rewrote the OP, I seem to have missed my own point on what I wanted this thread to be about. Mondays. 

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It wouldn't end too well if there was no moderation but maybe a little less over moderation may be in order. I suppose I would hope that punishments are dealt out based on the infraction as opposed to being based on who you are (or who you belong to)..

 

 

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Exploitable rules , surge of Viet clans replacing old favorites and English speaking clans turning to trolling or insults e.g Dongs . This is how I see ASIA official forum for the past year , there has got to be other medium of approach rather than to provoke the mods or give the Viets gang casus belli to just spam click report " my feelings " is hurt , I demand everyone to be banned to appease my fragile dong feelings . 

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If the problem is exclusive to the forums, just ditch the forums and use this place, or find some other niche where you and others feel comfortable in creating a community.

If it's seeping over into the game server and is so horrendously bad, just switch servers or quit playing altogether.

It's not your job to fix the server's community and not worth your time.

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A clean start is needed. Wipe all previous penalty points, reintroduce the moderation team and set clear expectations without previous hangovers. The whole BS about "the mods weren't following the proper process before and so now we are going to let them escalate sanctions to where they should have been" was a fucking scam, along with the red herrings around new penalty system with decaying points that never seemed to be on the cards to begin with.

The biggest issue is with Producers overstepping the mark and attempting to moderate the forums when it is outside of their job scope and they have shown to be not at arms length from the process. If they want to add to the forums it should be in an offical capacity, commenting on threads that require input from a Producer, not a forum moderator or general member of staff. If there needs to be a member of WG Support trawling the forums then so be it, but it is the job of a lackey not someone in a perceived position of authority. The very fact the players and moderators perceive members of staff to take issues personally is OK, if they didn't then go and act on it.

There also needs to be greater transparency in what goes on. I am getting sick of them trying to spout "WG look at global solutions", when all they want to do here is complain that our issues are local only. The RU server has shown that naming and shaming is allowed so fucking roll it out here - this would eliminate a large amount of distrust that has grown. Including a campaign rule against farming battles/fame from sub clans should be easy to do - it would help address the issues we are seeing, and it wouldn't impact the other servers.

Very little would be able to change the opinion of people that Tanitha lacks competency in some key areas. He needs to stop giving us ammunition.

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We were part of the problem. The problems the server faces have at times been enormous, but the community tended to descend into a mob mentality rather than exercise restraint. As clueless and incompetent as the Asia dev and mod teams may seem to be, I have little doubt they never stopped trying to improve the situation, and we never really gave them credit for that. The fact is that the official forums were pretty toxic from C3 onwards, mostly because the genuine complaints got lost in all the racism and personal insults coming from some quarters. Once the old community started making personal attacks on staff, it was kinda the end.

Id say that the only way we could have avoided coming to this juncture is if the mods had been lenient during the post C3 venting, similar to the way  CR/D used to be run, more of an emphasis on warnings instead of hefty RO bans. The worst excesses could still have been contained and everyone else could have got all the anger out and been done with it. That would have required a fair bit of careful moderation by someone good at managing communities, and instead we got a bunch of volunteers who might be trying their best, but just dont have the touch.

As for fixing the whole situation? Its too fucking late for that, we'll just have to wait and see what sort  of culture develops in our absence, and then play by those rules if we decide to come back. 

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we'll just have to wait and see what sort  of culture develops in our absence, and then play by those rules if we decide to come back. 

This , maybe by then Tan would be replaced by Minsk . 

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Been saying for a while that Jasper should replace Tan with somebody better, even let Tan know that.

 

FWIW I'd like to see consistency in rules enforcement and punishments that actually fit the crime rather than clear bias. Also clear sets of rules rather than the whole mess of unwritten bullshit that currently exists. Less doublespeak (Tan is good at this), more plain language.

Also if mods and/or game admins are unable to function objectively or are getting angry and it is affecting their judgement, they should step away and get one of the others to handle it.

Finally rules should apply to all, this includes mods. Not one sided trolling and baiting where only one side will ever be punished. Their position should have no bearing in what they are allowed to post and if anything their punishments should be harsher as they are meant to be setting community standards.

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In the early days of the server when the first wave of NA transfers came across the English section wasn't completely unmoderated however mods were few and far between, negs were still enabled and things still ran quite smoothly. However with what the "community" has morphed into these days I don't see going back to that as a viable option.

Fist thing that would need to happen would be for Tan to realise that he is simply not impartial or objective enough to be involved in the moderation of the forum, he seems to be too emotionally invested and unable to handle criticism in a mature fashion. Secondly all the current mods would need to be reevaluated and either replaced or retrained as needed.

Some kind of official apology for the incompetent way in which the server merge was handled would go a long way as well, with a clear reinforcement of what the servers rules are, what is and isn't allowed and then enforcement of those rules in a fair and balanced way.

Probably won't see any of that happen though. I think the WG plan going forward is to continue purging all dissenters until only stat deniers and shitpoasters are left and what remains of the forum turns into some kind of Tumblr echo chamber.

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Easiest fix imo is for Tanitha to stay well away from the forums. Allow the moderators to do their jobs with a clearly defined set of do's and do not's and actually enforce them with across the board consistency.

 

c/rd died after Mick left because of the over moderation, it seems the mods don't read their own c/rd policy (pro tip: it's pinned in the c/rd sub forum)

 

None of this will happen, so we are basically reduced to coming here (which is all round better imo) or waiting for the axe to fall eventually on the main forums poaster by poaster till anyone with a shred of useful game advice is removed and it becomes all rainbows and lolliscrubs

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I'd have to log in to the forums to find some of the conversations i had with tan about how to fix the mess. There were various suggestions, but as with above, something to address the poor standards of moderating was clearly a critical requirement. Sadly tan then tried to defend their actions and it was pretty clear the issue lay much deeper than a few stray mods.

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(pro tip: it's pinned in the c/rd sub forum)

Nah, it's now in the locked thread archive, presumably tan is hoping everyone forgets about it by the time CR/D is re-opened. 

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I haven't really been around either forums for long, but I think labs has a very good system in place where member sanctions are put in a separate sub-forum.

This goes against the naming-and-shaming rule of the official forums, so it's probably unrealistic for it to be implemented over there, but the system labs has allows for transparency (letting members know why they're banned) and allows for some kind of jury decision. Also, shaming is scientifically proven to be one of the most efficient ways of preventing undesirable behaviour, though the anonymity of the Internet might lead to retards/trolls to revel in the attention they get instead.

Still, I think transparency will go a long way towards combating how arbritrary/opaque/inconsistent the sanctions system is currently (on the official forums) by allowing some form of quasi-democratic process to take place. This would also remove any threat of double-jeopardy (like where a mod sanctions you for a transgression, then another mod comes in and does it again).

Note, however, that these are merely 'cosmetic' changes that will improve the forum experience. It doesn't really fight the root cause of the issue (hacks/cheats/rigging) that most of you take up arms over. I haven't participated in clan wars/e-sports so I don't really have anything constructive to add to that.

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