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On 3.5.2017 at 3:51 AM, Tanager said:

Curiously, in the Tier 10 elimination thread from last Summer, @RichardNixon posted the winrate numbers which had this as the highest winrate tank for unicums, and I think it was the third highest for superunicums.  So whether it's good/bad may be somewhat subjective, but clearly really good players can and do win a ton in it.

I like the tank. SirFoch does not. End of story.

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It is not a flexible multi-role tank, and does not bring a lot of wows or blehs. It is just consistently decent, which is good for winning. The fun factor leaves much to be desired, however.

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Have they mentioned this getting buffs? It's one of those tanks I want (looks cool) but it just seems so...meh, even in the hands of much better players than I am, it always sems like a free damage tank as I can just keep putting 265 pen shells through it's front hull.

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12 minutes ago, Canadian_Reaper said:

Have they mentioned this getting buffs? It's one of those tanks I want (looks cool) but it just seems so...meh, even in the hands of much better players than I am, it always sems like a free damage tank as I can just keep putting 265 pen shells through it's front hull.

At a guess they'll wait until those grinding the newly buffed is7 need something else to focus on, then they'll buff it. Balance for balance's sake is no longer a primary concern.

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1 hour ago, Canadian_Reaper said:

Have they mentioned this getting buffs? It's one of those tanks I want (looks cool) but it just seems so...meh, even in the hands of much better players than I am, it always sems like a free damage tank as I can just keep putting 265 pen shells through it's front hull.

I honestly liked the ST-I better and think the ST-I is much stronger tier-for-tier.  I am thinking of selling my IS-4 to fund either a T10 or doom turtle.

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I finally sold this thing.  180 games and a 40% WR (yes, you read that correctly) is a sign that this tank, while apparently pretty fab in the hands of great players, is just not something that suits me.  I cannot seem to make it work, and at this point, I have other tier 10s which I actually enjoy playing - something I don't think I'll ever say about the IS-4.  This is the first time I've sold a tier 10, but it's time to cut my (very significant) losses.

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On 9/14/2017 at 11:21 AM, Tanager said:

I honestly liked the ST-I better and think the ST-I is much stronger tier-for-tier.  I am thinking of selling my IS-4 to fund either a T10 or doom turtle.

I like how the HD ST-I now has a thicker UFP than the IS-4. Never change Wargaming

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On 12/9/2017 at 2:04 PM, Tanager said:

I finally sold this thing.  180 games and a 40% WR (yes, you read that correctly) is a sign that this tank, while apparently pretty fab in the hands of great players, is just not something that suits me.  I cannot seem to make it work, and at this point, I have other tier 10s which I actually enjoy playing - something I don't think I'll ever say about the IS-4.  This is the first time I've sold a tier 10, but it's time to cut my (very significant) losses.

You might want to use an exception and recover the tank as the exceptions for recovering non-premium vehicles is going away starting January 1st. Plus IS-4 is strongly rumored to be replaced so you'll have a free new tank.

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Just now, DirtyACE7 said:

You might want to use your exception and get the tank back as the exceptions for recovering non-premium vehicles is going away starting January 1st. Plus IS-4 is strongly rumored to be replaced so you'll have a free new tank.

Oooh, yeah.  I've never done this - do I just submit a support ticket and say, "gimme back my tank?"

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1 minute ago, Tanager said:

Oooh, yeah.  I've never done this - do I just submit a support ticket and say, "gimme back my tank?"

Yes, just submit a ticket but also make sure you have the required credits to recover it which I think is around 3.1 million.

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5 hours ago, DirtyACE7 said:

You might want to use an exception and recover the tank as the exceptions for recovering non-premium vehicles is going away starting January 1st. Plus IS-4 is strongly rumored to be replaced so you'll have a free new tank.

Replaced with what?

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Just got this tank. For the longest time I thought this thing was a generalist heavy - I couldn't have been more wrong. This thing is a fast brick which exists for the sole reason of rushing B and holding that point until the end of eternity. And I have to say, it's surprisingly effective in that role, especially given its rather doubtful reputation.

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On 26/2/2018 at 5:13 PM, lavawing said:

Just got this tank. For the longest time I thought this thing was a generalist heavy - I couldn't have been more wrong. This thing is a fast brick which exists for the sole reason of rushing B and holding that point until the end of eternity. And I have to say, it's surprisingly effective in that role, especially given its rather doubtful reputation.

It's very underrated imo. The side armour is insane and the turret is very strong if you manage to hide the overmatchable area. What people see it a tank with a bad gun (compared to chinese ones) and a weak UPF. What they dont know is that if angled correctly is very hard to pen with 330-40 Heat (only tds can sort of go trough the shoulder) and when sidescraping is a beast. I see these things litteraly driving sideways and not giving a fuck, bouncing like there is no tomorrow. Another thing about the Ufp is that it becomes very strong by just angling it up. 

On 26/2/2018 at 5:13 PM, lavawing said:

Just got this tank. For the longest time I thought this thing was a generalist heavy - I couldn't have been more wrong. This thing is a fast brick which exists for the sole reason of rushing B and holding that point until the end of eternity. And I have to say, it's surprisingly effective in that role, especially given its rather doubtful reputation.

It's very underrated imo. The side armour is insane and the turret is very strong if you manage to hide the overmatchable area. What people see it a tank with a bad gun (compared to chinese ones) and a weak UPF. What they dont know is that if angled correctly is very hard to pen with 330-40 Heat (only tds can sort of go trough the shoulder) and when sidescraping is a beast. I see these things litteraly driving sideways and not giving a fuck, bouncing like there is no tomorrow. Another thing about the Ufp is that it becomes very strong by just angling it up. 

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On 3/3/2018 at 9:47 AM, nabucodonsor said:

It's very underrated imo. The side armour is insane and the turret is very strong if you manage to hide the overmatchable area. What people see it a tank with a bad gun (compared to chinese ones) and a weak UPF. What they dont know is that if angled correctly is very hard to pen with 330-40 Heat (only tds can sort of go trough the shoulder) and when sidescraping is a beast. I see these things litteraly driving sideways and not giving a fuck, bouncing like there is no tomorrow. Another thing about the Ufp is that it becomes very strong by just angling it up. 

I clearly need to spend some time with replays, b/c I think I've tried these strategies without much luck.  I so badly want to like this tank.

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So...I have been playing this quite a bit lately.  I think I was making a number of mistakes, not least of which was being too aggressive and thinking this was a standin for the is7, which it isn't.  It is not getting played all that much on NA (as of this morning, only about 9 individuals, yes, 9, as in nine, had played enough games to get ranked in it for July, and the stats aren't all that competitive), but I think that's a shame, b/c I do think it's actually rather good (big change in opinion for me).

It really is a defensive bulwark - the armor is amazingly troll, and if you can get your hull angled slightly upwards, that (a) makes your UFP much harder to pen and (b) hides your turret roof.  I've pulled my WR up from 40% to 45% (baby steps, people), and I just got my first ever MOE on a tier 10:

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I wouldn't mind some better gun handling/alpha, but the gun is entirely workable.  On the T10, the same gun feels amazing, on this, it just feels workable, but that's okay.  You're still more mobile than the bricks (and more flexible, too).

I'm growing to like this thing.

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Just seen the Dez Games and Skill 4 split on ranked tier Xs, and it got me curious as to what WG has imminently planned for E-Hundo / IS4. Because they did state they were coming end of -19, and there are only 7 weeks left of the year.

Personally, I think they have very little leeway on what to do with IS4.  obj 26O blows even IS7 out of the water, and if that weren't enough there is even obj 277.  obj 7O5A is also more tanky than IS4 too, not to mention that but EVEN faster as well. Dual barrel tanks coming up, aren't even the nail in the coffin for IS4, it has sucked all along. 

You can make it a better generalist, and that is what IS4 is exactly......a generalist, but it would suck still as T11OE5 and AMX54 are generalists and also suck.  But improvements nevertheless are improvements. 

R0F buff  5.19

Accuracy buff .37

Gun handling moving buff .2O/.2O

Ammunition Pieces buff  4O

Gun Dep / Elevation buff  -7/2O

Engine Fire % buff  12%

And to think, this is what world of tanks has come to. People say T11OE5 sucks. And it carries more ammo than this P0S, actually has a near auto-ricochet front hull rather than the diarrhea IS4 has, has way more mobility, way better gun stats, way better gun dep, HEAT doesn't lose velocity, and so on....I'd be quick to agree on that although yes, T11OE5 could use some help, more of the nerfing of the other things making it obsolete and worthless..... IS4, panerwagen, AMX3O definitely take the cake in being real trash.I am not going to show a single ounce of pity for that shit named Type 5, although I do think FV4K5 was hit too hard.

 

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, Diriz0n said:

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Just seen the Dez Games and Skill 4 split on ranked tier Xs, and it got me curious as to what WG has imminently planned for E-Hundo / IS4. Because they did state they were coming end of -19, and there are only 7 weeks left of the year.

Personally, I think they have very little leeway on what to do with IS4.  obj 26O blows even IS7 out of the water, and if that weren't enough there is even obj 277.  obj 7O5A is also more tanky than IS4 too, not to mention that but EVEN faster as well. Dual barrel tanks coming up, aren't even the nail in the coffin for IS4, it has sucked all along. 

You can make it a better generalist, and that is what IS4 is exactly......a generalist, but it would suck still as T11OE5 and AMX54 are generalists and also suck.  But improvements nevertheless are improvements. 

R0F buff  5.19

Accuracy buff .37

Gun handling moving buff .2O/.2O

Ammunition Pieces buff  4O

Gun Dep / Elevation buff  -7/2O

Engine Fire % buff  12%

And to think, this is what world of tanks has come to. People say T11OE5 sucks. And it carries more ammo than this P0S, actually has a near auto-ricochet front hull rather than the diarrhea IS4 has, has way more mobility, way better gun stats, way better gun dep, HEAT doesn't lose velocity, and so on....I'd be quick to agree on that although yes, T11OE5 could use some help, more of the nerfing of the other things making it obsolete and worthless..... IS4, panerwagen, AMX3O definitely take the cake in being real trash.I am not going to show a single ounce of pity for that shit named Type 5, although I do think FV4K5 was hit too hard.

 

 

 

 

 

IS-4 ISnt a generalist. It's a smallish, compact brick at the end of a line of bricks.
Just give it 279e gun stats

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It is a generalist.

It isn't fast like fast heavy tanks  (there are tonnes now)  that contest early positions with mediums

And it isn't heavily armoured like super heavy tanks, nor does it have their HP  (armoured weirdly arrayed to the sides)

 

But on the other hand, it is generally bulkier than fast heavy tanks. 

It is faster  (relatively)  than super heavy tanks. 

Mediocre DPM and accuracy, but better than quite a few tanks like IS7, Type 5, PzKVII, AMX54

 

If it is piled into the category, of faster than A but less armour and HP.  Slower than B, but more protection.  It finds itself in generalist categories, like T11OE5, T57, AMX54, obj 7O5A, 6OTP, FV215B. or even super conqueror when on flat ground, not able to use its main many advantages. These vehicles typically are not good, and neither is IS4. 

But making something better than it currently is, is definitely a nice start. Leopard for instance, its improvements have not made it a broken tank, it still retains alot of significant flaws it had before buffs, such as large size, poor armour, middling DPM, Etc. But now people can easily say Leopard 1 is alright. I think they should do this to IS4, give it slight ups, until it at least fulfills a more or less average role. 

I do think that AMX54, T11OE5, FV215B need some buffs too - but here the problem is more of Kran van, Super K, FV421 are too good  --  which harms any use at all these tanks may have. IS4 needs help first.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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