French TD Thread

[neziho 179]

Couldn't find a thread for French tank destroyers and I know everyone still loves this line after the nerf of the foch 155, so I'll just start one for anyone who has questions or wants to discuss about a particular tank or the line in general. 

Anyone have a preference in the gun selection for the tier 7-8? For the ARL V39 I used the 105 with apcr instead of the god awful 90 mm, but from what I can see with the two next TDs it won't be as easy of a decision as before.

AMX AC mle. 46

AMX AC mle. 48

Either I go for the extremely underwhelming gun option with better soft stats or the less underwhelming gun option with worse soft stats. I'll probably go for the former because of the terrible gun arc (≤20), though it's still going to be a pain because of the fact that the one the move and track traverse dispersion doesn't change regardless of the gun type. Thoughts?

EDIT:

I'm terrible at the search function.

 

Edited September 27, 2015 by neziho

[Goldflag 110]

I think it's the worst line in the game even though I've only played like 40 tanks.

-Terrible gun handling

-Heavy tank DPM

-Autopen tumors

-Overmatch sides

-Horrible HP pool

I can't see why anyone would play this line past tier 5, but why is it so popular????

[neziho 179]

I think it's the worst line in the game even though I've only played like 40 tanks.

-Terrible gun handling

-Heavy tank DPM

-Autopen tumors

-Overmatch sides

-Horrible HP pool

I can't see why anyone would play this line past tier 5, but why is it so popular????

It isn't. The only reason why I'm grinding up the line is to collect tanks. Also to dick around when Cookie is trying to get us to increase our wr in strongholds. 

[Nekommando 386]

AC46: Use the DCA45, the 100mm will make you wanna kill yourself.
AC48: Again, Use the 100mm instead of the top 120mm, because gun handling is too shit to handle.

The whole line needs to be rebalanced, currently the whole line sux.

[FavreFan4ever 281]

It probably is one of the most poorly 'balanced' lines in WoT. Grind your way through 4-5 subpar tanks (and 2 awful ones) only to get a tank without a role as your reward. The tier 5 is the best of the bunch and even that has seen better days.

This line really needs some love, you never see them on the battlefield.

[TheMarine0341 4,973]

The line is up for re-balancing, its been admitted to being over-nerfed.

[Sabrechien 22]

The AC Mle was actually bearable, from what I recall.

And the Mle 48 is almost second to none in supplying XVM camo.

[Eggs_benedict_cumberbund 30]

Any point to play French Td's ?

 

if you say mobility, ill point out 263 line.

 

Convince me.

[Goldflag 110]

5 hours ago, Eggs_benedict_cumberbund said:

Any point to play French Td's ?

 

if you say mobility, ill point out 263 line.

 

Convince me.

I guess the Foch 155 is "unique" in the way that it is the only armored autoload ing TD in the game.

[Siimcy 3,522]

20 minutes ago, Goldflag said:

I guess the Foch 155 is "unique" in the way that it is the only armored autoload ing TD in the game.

"Armored" my ass. It was freaking OP before it got nerfed to ground in an update, just about everything got wrecked on it rendered it useless hence nobody plays it anymore. It's a tank I'm happy about that it's in the enemy team because it's pretty much free damage. Sides are overmatchable with some guns, rangefinder is quite big so hitting that isn't a problem, it's not as mobile as it used to be, the gun handling is pretty trash so is the reload. Rather drive an Obj263 which is way better than the F155.

[Nekommando 386]

6 hours ago, Eggs_benedict_cumberbund said:

Any point to play French Td's ?

 

if you say mobility, ill point out 263 line.

 

Convince me.

Masochism? If you want to pad WN8 and win there are better TDs to do so (both T25s, Toilets, JP2)

 

[MacusFlash 2,270]

Mle 48 used to be one of my favourite tanks (623 battles) despite terrible aim time and weakspots on top. It was great combination of mobility, fire power and armor able to carry most of battles. After retarded unnecessary nerf it's just an armoured house for five well trained tankers.

[Tarski 341]

1 hour ago, MacusFlash said:

Mle 48 used to be one of my favourite tanks (623 battles) despite terrible aim time and weakspots on top. It was great combination of mobility, fire power and armor able to carry most of battles. After retarded unnecessary nerf it's just an armoured house for five well trained tankers.

And then the entire line has to sit in a puddle of uselessness for...how long now? Surely it's about time the line gets some attention from the balance team. I hope this is one of the old outstanding issues Storm says WG is intent on fixing. 

I love TDs a little too much, but because of feedback like yours this is the one line I haven't touched. 

[kolni 69,670,872]

I think they should either give the Foch 155 an extra shell while keeping the same drum reload or buff the gun handling by a lot. Also buffing the armour enough so 330 pen literally doesn't go through UFP armour 70% of the time 

The whole point of it being an assault TD completely vanished with the armour

[GehakteMolen 2,063]

2 minutes ago, KolniBBW said:

I think they should either give the Foch 155 an extra shell while keeping the same drum reload or buff the gun handling by a lot. Also buffing the armour enough so 330 pen literally doesn't go through UFP armour 70% of the time 

The whole point of it being an assault TD completely vanished with the armour

Give it a 4x400 dmg autoloader and a normal 155mm gun, afte that buff the armor back to what it was and give it some gun handling buffs if needed.

an 155mm autoloader will always be shit, either to play with or against....

ps: i did buy it back a few months ago for TD-15 / discount / novelty, and with food + vents + bia its sort of ok, its just all-round weak, main con is the very long clip reload, but even with that, some games it will still dish massive dmg, 2250 dmg in a clip is still devastating, its just situational, and it needs long, slow games to be trully effective

[MacusFlash 2,270]

48 minutes ago, Tarski said:

And then the entire line has to sit in a puddle of uselessness for...how long now? Surely it's about time the line gets some attention from the balance team. I hope this is one of the old outstanding issues Storm says WG is intent on fixing. 

The same with second Soviet TD line - after SU-100M1 there's nothing worth playing for fun. SU-101 is supposed to get (again) IS-4's top gun but WG seems to forgot about that.

37 minutes ago, GehakteMolen said:

an 155mm autoloader will always be shit, either to play with or against....

That lack of flexibility indeed. 

[Knifey 0]

dont know where else to post this.

 

i kind of did some rough math in my head (just got my foch 50). coated optics and binocs would put me about 25 pts past max view range correct? so i would be set on 500? is that how this works? 

[stagnate 513]

4 hours ago, Knifey said:

dont know where else to post this.

 

i kind of did some rough math in my head (just got my foch 50). coated optics and binocs would put me about 25 pts past max view range correct? so i would be set on 500? is that how this works? 

FYI your view range is used to offset the enemy camo, so there can still be benefits to having a higher view range than maximum.

Binocs and optics don't stack (only one is ever active)

Don't run binocs on your foch or pretty much any tank, the 6 second activation time discourages actively following the battle, and in most cases you should be shooting what other team members shoot (so use a module that will help with that).

[Treeburst 77]

The AC 46 and AC 48 were actually not bad. The regular Foch is where I am right now (the tier 9).. it isn't bad, but it also isn't anything I'm super interested in grinding right now. The AC 46 and AC 48 are actually 'best' with the 'undertiered' guns, the top guns aren't really 'better' per se. The 'undertiered' guns provide the best mix of performance and aim time, using the top guns for both will make you scream with the garbage aim time and accuracy.

[Sabrechien 22]

Being terrible at following game updates, has the AC Mle. 48 been altered or buffed anytime recently?

[Pyr0freak 81]

 

Being terrible at following game updates, has the AC Mle. 48 been altered or buffed anytime recently?

Nope. This entire line along with the second Russian TD line and the second British TD line is essentially dead content, although even those two have hidden gems and the 263 is actually a good tank.

I don't think there's a single other tank line out there that's like the French TD line. There are no good tanks here, only mediocre ones. Even the Bathtub is shit now that the O-I Exp exists. This line is a complete waste of time until further notice, which may be another couple of years. 

[Sabrechien 22]

 

The AC 46 and AC 48 were actually not bad. The regular Foch is where I am right now (the tier 9).. it isn't bad, but it also isn't anything I'm super interested in grinding right now. The AC 46 and AC 48 are actually 'best' with the 'undertiered' guns, the top guns aren't really 'better' per se. The 'undertiered' guns provide the best mix of performance and aim time, using the top guns for both will make you scream with the garbage aim time and accuracy.

I actually enjoyed both the 90mm and 100mm choices w/the tier 7. I could be in the minority though.

I'd disagree with using the 100mm on the mle 48. The 100mm simply lacks that DPM lure when you place it at a higher tier (120mm has more DPM).

While the 120mm seems to have enough* performance to justify the shitty aim-time/dispersion values, and the 100mm alpha is just impotent on a TD that can see X's and is paired with IS-3 master-race on a regular basis.

Consider that in contrast, the DCA 45 90mm on the mle 46 has both dpm and aim-time advantages over the 100mm.

[Tupinambis 173]

 

I actually enjoyed both the 90mm and 100mm choices w/the tier 7. I could be in the minority though.

I'd disagree with using the 100mm on the mle 48. The 100mm simply lacks that DPM lure when you place it at a higher tier (120mm has more DPM).

While the 120mm seems to have enough* performance to justify the shitty aim-time/dispersion values, and the 100mm alpha is just impotent on a TD that can see X's and is paired with IS-3 master-race on a regular basis.

Consider that in contrast, the DCA 45 90mm on the mle 46 has both dpm and aim-time advantages over the 100mm.

The problem with the DCA 45 is that you're basically relegating the AC Mle 1946 to being a really, REALLY bad Jagdpanther with the 88mm gun.

[Sabrechien 22]

 

The problem with the DCA 45 is that you're basically relegating the AC Mle 1946 to being a really, REALLY bad Jagdpanther with the 88mm gun.

So buy the 100mm and be a gimped russian alpha TD instead. ripriprip

[Goldflag 110]

lol you know French TDs are shit when a four month old thread with just one page is for discussing the entire line, from tier 2 to 10.