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10 hours ago, Folterknecht said:

Here you have state sponsored terrorism in eurpopean democracies by the US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

 

Now what about the war against terrorism - wrong zip code, maybe?

To be fair, the exact nature of Gladio and its possible relations to terror acts in NATO members at the time is a subject of debate - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#Daniele_Ganser_and_.22Strategy_of_Tension.22

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28 minutes ago, nemlengyel said:

To be fair, the exact nature of Gladio and its possible relations to terror acts in NATO members at the time is a subject of debate - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#Daniele_Ganser_and_.22Strategy_of_Tension.22

I love how NATO spokesmen explains the stay-behind army in Austria without the knowledge of the government

 

""The aim was noble, the aim was correct, to try to help Austria if it was under occupation. What went wrong is that successive Washington administrations simply decided not to talk to the Austrian government about it."

 

Smooth as fuck NATO, smooth as fuck.

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16 hours ago, gingxxx said:

Bismi Allahi a Rachman a Rachim ....

I don't know your background in Islam and I don't like to discuss it any further.

Please complete the sentence:

La ihlla il Allah.....

and no worries I know the Q'uran and the Sunna and additional Sufi stuff. It is not about your interpretation or mine. It is about the reality that you can face in Syria, Saudi Arabia, Mali, Nigeria or Iran.

Saudi Arabia, IS and extremist orthodox factions in Syria, Iraq, Nigeria, Mali (and the Sahel in general) is not representative for the muslim population as a whole. And this is a matter of interpretation, though indeed not your or mine.

Your post was offensive and generallizing to muslims.

As for your quotes, I'm sure no Christian ever said that God was holy and merciful, or that God was the only god and Jesus his prophet. How that forces anyone to act like ISIS (or like Tea Party or anti-abortion nuts for that matter - which does not mean that you should be pro-abortion, or that pro-abortion should even exist, but that any arguments in favour of limiting and strictly regulating abortion should not be that it makes Jesus cry), is lost on me.

As for my background in any religion, (legal) history and cultural interests, combined with international relations. My job is to keep tabs on developments for the government in order to give legal advice on the export of strategically important items.
Let's say that Russia and the Middle East are rather relevant in that matter.

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3 hours ago, Private_Miros said:

My job is to keep tabs on developments for the government in order to give legal advice on the export of strategically important items.
Let's say that Russia and the Middle East are rather relevant in that matter.

I need 14 kilos of plutonium and a big ass crate of indeterminate size of uranium pellets.

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6 minutes ago, HoHoNo said:

I need 14 kilos of plutonium and a big ass crate of indeterminate size of uranium pellets.

You can either use it yourself or "strategically" plant them in the middle east for proof of WMD's this time around ;) 

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Just now, Assad said:

You can either use it yourself or "strategically" plant them in the middle east for proof of WMD's this time around ;) 

No, just making a backyard reactor, beats the hell out of solaring your own house plus it frightens the neighbors. Especially when you yell "OH BOY, THIS IS A LOT OF RADIATION LEAKAGE, HOPE NOTHING GOES WRONG."

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http://www.flanderstoday.eu/innovation/ku-leuven-mathematicians-both-sides-wrong-russian-plane-shooting?utm_campaign=innovation&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=TurkeyRussia

Turkey and Russia are telling the truth only if they the former can predict the future and the latter can change the laws of mechanics at will.

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54 minutes ago, Private_Miros said:

http://www.flanderstoday.eu/innovation/ku-leuven-mathematicians-both-sides-wrong-russian-plane-shooting?utm_campaign=innovation&utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=TurkeyRussia

Turkey and Russia are telling the truth only if they the former can predict the future and the latter can change the laws of mechanics at will.

This was clear from the start though wasn't it?

Yes Turkey shot down the plane on a technicality which is very very mweh and not done in any time but full on war (IMO). This was a deliberate act and an on purpose lash out.

Yes the Russian jet flew through Turkish airspace hardly worth shooting it out of the sky for and Russia can never admit this without losing some credibility. The trespassing was probably on purpose as well though... I doubt a Russian pilot would shit his pants without permission even if his plane got grabbed by a UFO in mid flight...

This is a pissing contest with people's lives...

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3 minutes ago, Golem501 said:

This was clear from the start though wasn't it?

Yes Turkey shot down the plane on a technicality which is very very mweh and not done in any time but full on war (IMO). This was a deliberate act and an on purpose lash out.

Yes the Russian jet flew through Turkish airspace hardly worth shooting it out of the sky for and Russia can never admit this without losing some credibility. The trespassing was probably on purpose as well though... I doubt a Russian pilot would shit his pants without permission even if his plane got grabbed by a UFO in mid flight...

This is a pissing contest with people's lives...

Nothing surprising there indeed.

I like the article mostly on how open sources and a bit of math can easily verify or dispute official statements in our current society. I think that's amazing.

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1 hour ago, Private_Miros said:

Nothing surprising there indeed.

I like the article mostly on how open sources and a bit of math can easily verify or dispute official statements in our current society. I think that's amazing.

Yeah, good stuff, but this part :

 

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t. “Since vertical movement is solely dependent on gravity,”

is God awfull. Since, you know, it denies the existence of planes to start with.

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21 minutes ago, Sidus_Preclarum said:

Yeah, good stuff, but this part :

 

is God awfull. Since, you know, it denies the existence of planes to start with.

Haha, yeah, I guess they might have forgotten the fact that a thrusting engine and wing and body lift of even a disintigrating plane can influence it's vertical speed when crashing.

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On December 1, 2015 at 5:18:05 PM, Folterknecht said:

Here you have state sponsored terrorism in eurpopean democracies by the US

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio

 

Now what about the war against terrorism - wrong zip code, maybe?

Oh, I'm sorry, they were gonna blow some shit up if Russia overran a NATO country.  How reprehensible.

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1 hour ago, FlorbFnarb said:

Oh, I'm sorry, they were gonna blow some shit up if Russia overran a NATO country.  How reprehensible.

I think the part where they would destabilise and destroy government if that government would lean towards comunist/socialist ideals is what makes those stay-behinds so interesting.

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26 minutes ago, Paaranoja said:

I think the part where they would destabilise and destroy government if that government would lean towards comunist/socialist ideals is what makes those stay-behinds so interesting.

Because clearly the morally obligatory thing would have been to allow the Soviets to install a Communist puppet government.

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7 minutes ago, FlorbFnarb said:

Because clearly the morally obligatory thing would have been to allow the Soviets to install a Communist puppet government.

Even if that government won democratic elections?

 

Also, should NATO puppet governments be treated the same way?

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1 minute ago, Paaranoja said:

Even if that government won democratic elections?

Does the majority have the right to strip the minority of their rights?  Because that's exactly what a communist government is.

Since when does being democratically elected make a government inviolable?

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10 minutes ago, FlorbFnarb said:

Does the majority have the right to strip the minority of their rights? 

Come again? Ahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahhahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahhahhhahahah

Hey everybody we live in a world where majority doesnt deprive the minority of their freedoms and rights, and its all thanks to democracy, where the majority decides for everyone. Including the minorities.

 

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Oh Florb, its 8 AM here and im certain this will be funniest thing i will hear all day, i might even tell it as a joke, thx.

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33 minutes ago, Paaranoja said:

Come again? Ahahahahhahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahhahhahahahhahahahhahahhahahahahhahhhahahah

Hey everybody we live in a world where majority doesnt deprive the minority of their freedoms and rights, and its all thanks to democracy, where the majority decides for everyone. Including the minorities.

 

Hhahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhhahahahahhahahhahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhaahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahhahahahah. 

 

Oh Florb, its 8 AM here and im certain this will be funniest thing i will hear all day, i might even tell it as a joke, thx.

Ah, so you're gonna chickenshit out of answering the question.  Pretty much what I figured.

No matter how you slice it, you object the the fact NATO had contingency plans to fight totalitarian governments installed by the Soviets, complaining that that's wrong.

Also, LOL to you putting talk about voting in the same discussion relating to the Soviet Union.

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Sorry, i had to stop grinning about what you said.

 

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Since when does being democratically elected make a government inviolable?

It doesnt, however i fail to see why would you overthrow a government chosen by people just because it doesn't fit your ideology? Holier than thou?

 

Also since when is guerrilla warfare and insurgency a way to change government in a democratic state? I thought its done via elections.

 

2 hours ago, FlorbFnarb said:

No matter how you slice it, you object the the fact NATO had contingency plans to fight totalitarian governments installed by the Soviets, complaining that that's wrong.

Nope, whats wrong is that they were there to overthrow anyone who wouldn't slide with capitalism/west. Thats not the same as totalitarianism.

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Also, LOL to you putting talk about voting in the same discussion relating to the Soviet Union.

We are talking about stay behind forces that stayed AFTER the dissolution of USSR, making sure that the any future government is not socialist/communist.

 

Please tell me how do minorities feel in a democracy? Im a white male in Europen white christian country and im missing some basic rights and freedoms and im not even a minority.

 

And since we are on topic on chikeniong out of questions, you avoidet this one:

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Also, should NATO puppet governments be treated the same way?

Maybe forum users from south America, Africa, Asia, Europe can voice their opinions on NATO puppet governments.. Im sure some opinions would be quite negative. Do you recommend those players organize a coupe and get rid of the puppets?

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