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Just now, Gandaran said:

The 140 is bad though.

I wouldn't mind anyone downvoting any tank, but just at least explain why and in what way this tank is bad

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Just now, Megrin said:

I wouldn't mind anyone downvoting any tank, but just at least explain why and in what way this tank is bad

Fires. every damn time. During clanleague last thursday i got double fires in both games i played the 140. When i played it in pubs I was set on fire 81 games out of 100 games, almost 40 games i died to double fires. The ONLY reason i pubbed my 62A over the 140 was my 62A was set on fire less.

Hell i got my fire mission for the t-55a a few days ago, shot a 140 twice in its front plate. set him on fire twice, with a 4202, easy 1800 damage. It's probably the tank i set on fire the most, since the entire front-right is a tinderbox.

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3 minutes ago, Megrin said:

Would you mind just expand your reasoning a bit?

They have essentially no drawbacks aside from relatively low alpha and meh hull armor. It's kinda hard to put into words. I could justify my actions by saying how a large portion of the turret is cheese, how the depression (while better than the alternatives, of course) still isn't fantastic for such a low profile tank, the module damage, etc. However I'll just say that I'm a hipster and the idea of playing such a widely used, mainstream tank (in both pubs & CW) turns me off. Its flaws, while present, are minor compared to the bundle of strengths - decent hull that can bully lower tiers/generate freak bounces, dpm, dispersion/handling stats, pen, mobility, the list goes on.  It's so generic and is so well-regarded that I'm not fond of it. 

 

1 minute ago, leggasiini said:

FOR GOD SAKE, VOTE FOR TONKS THAT ARE BAD/YOU HATE PLAYING, NOT THE ONES THAT YOU HATE TO FIGHT AGAINST BECAUSE THEY ARE GOOD!!!

I'll vote for whatever tf I want. We vote for the "best" and the "worst", which is subjective. 

 

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10 minutes ago, flare_phoenix said:

 

 

So why didn't you say this in the first place then?

19 minutes ago, Gandaran said:

 

 

I'm not saying that 140 is like an ultimate tank that has no flaws, but if anyone downvote a tank and just say "fuck you" it really pisses me off.

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22 minutes ago, flare_phoenix said:

They have essentially no drawbacks aside from relatively low alpha and meh hull armor. It's kinda hard to put into words. I could justify my actions by saying how a large portion of the turret is cheese, how the depression (while better than the alternatives, of course) still isn't fantastic for such a low profile tank, the module damage, etc. However I'll just say that I'm a hipster and the idea of playing such a widely used, mainstream tank (in both pubs & CW) turns me off. Its flaws, while present, are minor compared to the bundle of strengths - decent hull that can bully lower tiers/generate freak bounces, dpm, dispersion/handling stats, pen, mobility, the list goes on.  It's so generic and is so well-regarded that I'm not fond of it. 

 

I'll vote for whatever tf I want. We vote for the "best" and the "worst", which is subjective. 

 

Still, downvoting something, because it has minor flaws compared to its strengths is pretty fucking... illogical.

By the way, having poor gun depression would be a bigger problem, if the tank would be taller. I am not trying to defend the 140, because I don't like it either given the fact that it gets set on fire pretty easily, not to mention the module damages, but I still know that it is one of the better T10 meds.

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113: 9 
TVP T50/51: 18
AMX 50B: 29 
Batchat 25t: 22
E-100: 29
E-50M: 26
Leo 1: 12 -3 = 9, worthless mediums getting way too much points, time to fix this, leotard first
STB-1: 18
Centurion AX: 15
FV215b: 25
T110E3: 14
M48 Patton: 37
T110E5: 24
Object 263: 8
T-62A: 21
Object 430: 11
Object 140: 20 
IS-7: 11+1 = 12, i thought IS7 was suposed to be super OP and russian bias, this tank having 11 points when bat chat has 22, STB 18 or Fv 25 makes zero sense...
IS-4: 13 

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113: 9 
TVP T50/51: 18
AMX 50B: 29 
Batchat 25t: 22
E-100: 29
E-50M: 26
Leo 1: 9
STB-1: 18
Centurion AX: 15
FV215b: 25
T110E3: 14 -3 = 11 - "Way too slow, if you aren't super good at predicting game flow, this tank can and will become a burden. Very limited niche."
M48 Patton: 37
T110E5: 24 + 1 = 25 - "Very, very versatile tank. Extremely resilient for high cruise speed with very reliable gun."
Object 263: 8
T-62A: 21
Object 430: 11
Object 140: 20 
IS-7: 12
IS-4: 13 

Balded the choices as it seems I can't find the button for text color.

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1 hour ago, Megrin said:

Would you mind just expand your reasoning a bit?

RU MTs do two things really well: Turret and DPM, which requires finite motor skills to maneuver, which is, while highly valued and nature to many a unica, stupidly difficult for the masses. This creates a gap where its overvalued by unica despite it's lack of flexibility, simply because you're able to make it so flexible. We may preach its greatness, and it might very well be so, but its vastly overrated to most

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25 minutes ago, TheMarine0341 said:

RU MTs do two things really well: Turret and DPM, which requires finite motor skills to maneuver, which is, while highly valued and nature to many a unica, stupidly difficult for the masses. This creates a gap where its overvalued by unica despite it's lack of flexibility, simply because you're able to make it so flexible. We may preach its greatness, and it might very well be so, but its vastly overrated to most

 
 
 

it takes like 200-300 games in T54 to know what kind of spots you can use your turret.

imo 140 with its 6 degree of gun depression and okay hull armor is pretty good for you to just get used to it. what really is a pain in the ass is the module damage even compare to the other RU meds.

What I think differs RU meds and NATO meds is the gun handling, and M48 almost get the best of both worlds, just lacking the mobility and reliable turret armor, but raw armor value doesn't matter that much when you can just poke and snap with no aiming required.

Plus, I'm not saying 140 is perfect, just I don't like people disliking something and instead of explaining it they just say "fuck you".

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23 minutes ago, Megrin said:

it takes like 200-300 games in T54 to know what kind of spots you can use your turret.

But for 95% of the WOT population, they're going to expose too far and get shit on constantly no matter how much they play a tank. Yourself and others picked it up really fast, but this is why you're the .001% of all WOT players

This is another reason why the E50m and Patton are better suited for the majority of pubs, they can expose more of their tank and still pick up troll bounces. RU MTs require micro-control, which is just a skill most cant or wont learn

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113: 9 
TVP T50/51: 18
AMX 50B: 29 
Batchat 25t: 22
E-100: 29
E-50M: 26
Leo 1: 9
STB-1: 18
Centurion AX: 15
FV215b: 25
T110E3: 11-3 = 8 With the way maps play out and the necessity of having your gun on multiple flanks to consistently carry games, the E3 should not be here.
M48 Patton: 37
T110E5: 25
Object 263: 8
T-62A: 21
Object 430: 11
Object 140: 20+1 = 21 Standbys may get boring and repetitive to play, but it's a standby for a reason.
IS-7: 12
IS-4: 13 

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2 minutes ago, TheMarine0341 said:

But for 95% of the WOT population, they're going to expose too far and get shit on constantly no matter how much they play a tank. Yourself and others picked it up really fast, but this is why you're the .001% of all WOT players

This is another reason why the E50m and Patton are better suited for the majority of pubs, they can expose more of their tank and still pick up troll bounces. RU MTs require micro-control, which is just a skill most cant or wont learn

 

Patton's armor is really unreliable.

and E50 kinda needs you to expose more of your tank to bounce shots which is the exact opposite to RU meds. But E50 does actually similar good gun handling like the RU mediums(even better when aimed in which is actually really satisfying when you pull off those incredible shots) but the dispersion is worse enough just so that you can't snapshot as comfy as them.(still doesn't justify my shitty E50 stats)

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22 minutes ago, TheMarine0341 said:

This is another reason why the E50m and Patton are better suited for the majority of pubs, they can expose more of their tank and still pick up troll bounces. RU MTs require micro-control, which is just a skill most cant or wont learn

Russian Meds never bounce anything. TIL.

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14 minutes ago, incarnadyne said:

113: 6 THIS IS JUST A WORSE RU MED WITH MORE HP, FUCK EVERYTHING ASSOCIATED WITH THIS SHITLORD TANK
TVP T50/51: 18
AMX 50B: 29 
Batchat 25t: 22
E-100: 29
E-50M: 26
Leo 1: 9
STB-1: 18
Centurion AX: 15
FV215b: 25
T110E3: 8
M48 Patton: 37
T110E5: 25
Object 263: 9, I've only tried it for around 20 games and came to the conclusion that it's a better redliner than the Leo, better flanker, and absolutely a better brawler than almost any medium in the game simply because of that dank fucking gun
T-62A: 21
Object 430: 11
Object 140: 21
IS-7: 12
IS-4: 13 

 

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113: 6
TVP T50/51: 18
AMX 50B: 29 
Batchat 25t: 22
E-100: 30 I was just playing this today and reminded how much of a boss it is. Lots of hitpoints, armor that works, good alpha. This is such a sustainer, ready to hold a flank or bust it open.
E-50M: 26
Leo 1: 6 Technically I haven't played this, but since it is just an upgraded version of the PTA I'm playing through right now, I expect nothing from it. If you're not going to have any armor, you better have some amazeballs gun handling.
STB-1: 18
Centurion AX: 15
FV215b: 25
T110E3: 8
M48 Patton: 37
T110E5: 25
Object 263: 9
T-62A: 21
Object 430: 11
Object 140: 21
IS-7: 12
IS-4: 13 

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113: 6 
TVP T50/51: 18
AMX 50B: 29 
Batchat 25t: 22
E-100: 30
E-50M: 26
Leo 1: 3 | 0.18
STB-1: 18
Centurion AX: 15
FV215b: 25
T110E3: 8
M48 Patton: 38 | 0.10
T110E5: 25
Object 263: 9
T-62A: 21
Object 430: 11
Object 140: 21
IS-7: 12
IS-4: 13 

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35 minutes ago, Dukkerz said:

113: 7 | this tank is dank, it goes fast has armor, alpha, dpm. only downsides are modules and bloom but completely workable
TVP T50/51: 18
AMX 50B: 29 
Batchat 25t: 22
E-100: 30
E-50M: 26
Leo 1: 0 | 0.18, underpowered af, tank gave me cancer, only useful for backline sniping, may as well just play a TD and/or drink bleach.
STB-1: 18
Centurion AX: 15
FV215b: 25
T110E3: 8
M48 Patton: 38
T110E5: 25
Object 263: 9
T-62A: 21
Object 430: 11
Object 140: 21
IS-7: 12
IS-4: 13 

 

TFW T57 heavy, 121, and E4 knocked out before leo, yall have bad taste.

 

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@Eural They do not understand the power of an E4 with pure apcr loadout.

13 minutes ago, Dukkerz said:

RIP leo 2011-2014 a victim of power creep.

it was never that great tbh. I'm just more surprised people haven't kicked out the 430 before they kicked out some decent tanks. Seriously how did the 430 survive longer then the T57?

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1 minute ago, Gandaran said:

it was never that great tbh. I'm just more surprised people haven't kicked out the 430 before they kicked out some decent tanks. Seriously how did the 430 survive longer then the T57?

430 sad tank, much ignored 

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113: 7
TVP T50/51: 18
AMX 50B: 29 
Batchat 25t: 22
E-100: 30
E-50M: 26
STB-1: 18
Centurion AX: 15
FV215b: 25
T110E3: 8-3 = 5, this thing is still average or worse in a corridor meta. RIP soon, the most inflexible pile of shit left on the list.
M48 Patton: 38
T110E5: 25
Object 263: 9
T-62A: 21+1 = 22, the best of the 3 RU meds for pubs and also decent for organized play. Doesn't spontaneously combust like a 140 or have cancer gun handling like a 430. Underappreciated
Object 430: 11
Object 140: 21
IS-7: 12
IS-4: 13 

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