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Just now, jackquerudo said:

You misspelled WZ120 :yuefei:

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I love the WZ-120 - but nothing pub stomps like the E-50. A better thread would be what is the 2nd best Tier 9 after the E-50

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TIER 10 ELIMINATION COMPLETE

Here is the elimination order as if it was a ranking, with the top 10 tanks given a random quote by one of its upvoters for why the tank is good:

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  1. T110E5
    "Very, very versatile tank. Extremely resilient for high cruise speed with very reliable gun." - no_name_cro
  2. TVP T50/51
    "...the best tier 10 MT in the game right now for suddenly influencing a battle. A powerful tank suddenly losing 1200 HP in a matter of less than 4 seconds will just wreck their chance to win." - TheMarine0341
  3. M48 Patton
    "...fantastic gun on a fairly mobile platform that has workable armor. As others have said, you never feel out of place in this thing." - Hoolfool
  4. AMX 50B
    "Hands down the best autoloader in the game. Enough burst to kill T8/9s from full, and 10s from 75%, best mobility on a heavy tank, and dat APCR life." - TaylorSwift
  5. FV215B
    "Excellent gun handling and rate of fire, hard turret, reasonable health pool allows for effective trades and late-game cleanup." - _Juris
  6. E-100
    "...one of the strongest tanks in game at the moment in dealing with the current Meta, its armour is immense, and its speed, not too shabby. Add in the biggest boom stick of all the T10 heavies, and you have a dank tank." - FreddBoy
  7. T-62A
    "Everything about this tank is reliable and steady. Turret, gun, soft stats. Would be the best T10 med without the M48 buff." - X3N4
  8. E-50M
    "German box tank greatness. Great gun, and speed is still decent."
    - rojo180
  9. Batchat 25t
    "Nothing beats yoloing into enemy, clipping an enemy out and then yoloing back to safety before the enemy even realizes that they just lost a tank." - Zesshin
  10. Object 140
    "Moving around the map, snapshotting everything on the move. The meta is so fast-paced that there's no time to stop to shoot" - Mureke
  11. IS-4
  12. STB-1
  13. IS-7
  14. Centurion AX
  15. 113
  16. Object 430
  17. T110E3
  18. Object 263
  19. Leopard 1
  20. T57 Heavy
  21. T110E4
  22. Maus
  23. AMX 30B
  24. 121
  25. Object 268
  26. FV215b 183
  27. Jagdpz E-100
  28. Foch 155
  29. Waffentrager
  30. FV4005
  31. Type 5 Heavy

Congrats everyone! The next elimination thread will be tier 9! I'll give you guys a days break from number walls.

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Results come out pretty close to my expected value method for ~500 WN9 players. Blue for expected value higher, orange for expected value lower, darker shades are further away:

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place elimination uniwin superwin
1 T110E5 IS-4 T110E5
2 TVP T 50/51 T110E5 TVP T 50/51
3 M48 Patton E 100 IS-4
4 AMX 50B TVP T 50/51 E 100
5 FV215b T110E3 M48 Patton
6 E 100 IS-7 Obj. 140
7 T-62A Obj. 430 B-C 25 t
8 E 50M Centurion AX E 50 M
9 B-C 25 t M48 Patton 113
10 Obj. 140 B-C 25 t IS-7
11 IS-4 113 T-62A
12 STB-1 E 50 M Obj. 430
13 IS-7 Obj. 140 FV215b
14 Centurion AX T-62A T110E3
15 113 FV215b Centurion AX
16 Obj. 430 Maus AMX 50 B
17 T110E3 T110E4 STB-1
18 Obj. 263 AMX 50 B 121
19 Leopard 1 Jg.Pz. E 100 T57 Heavy
20 T57 Heavy T57 Heavy T110E4
21 T110E4 Obj. 263 Leopard 1
22 Maus 121 Maus
23 AMX 30B STB-1 Obj. 263
24 121 Leopard 1 Jg.Pz. E 100
25 Obj. 268 WT auf E 100 AMX 30 B
26 FV215b 183 Type 5 Heavy WT auf E 100
27 Jg.Pz. E 100 AMX 30 B Type 5 Heavy
28 Foch 155 Obj. 268 Obj. 268
29 WT auf E 100 Foch 155 Foch 155
30 FV4005 FV215b 183 FV215b 183
31 Type 5 Heavy FV4005 FV4005

Places 5 to 13 are separated by less than 0.5% winrate.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Kolni said:

betting 500 gold that neither M46 or E 50 will win tier 9

 

also notifying everyone of not making the tier 9 thread but waiting for rexxie to do it because sexxie mods :doge: 

I give the E50 a VERY strong chance to win it

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35 minutes ago, TheMarine0341 said:

I give the E50 a VERY strong chance to win it

you do realise it's very good for padding, but other T9s are flat out better due to an ability to deal with T10s that have armour? 270 pen just doesn't cut it for IS-7/E100s/Maus/IS-4/JPE/263/E5 frontally which is frankly too many tanks that you're going to have to deal with, losing out on potential damage

this is where Conq/WZ/T-10/T-54/AMX 30 are all incredibly strong and why I think they all have a fair chance of the top. M46 and E 50 are both great tanks, but better for padding than winning (since that seems to be what we're going for here). I give the WZ-111-14 and Conq a strong chance to take it home, considering like the E 50 they're never out of place but are way better at dealing with T10s. considering that's like 60-70% of the games played I'd personally take how they perform against higher tier tanks very much into consideration. Conq is a slow M48 with turret armour at T9 which is imo better than M46 at tier 9 for example. 

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Looks like the 50B and STB are the most overrated T10s by the elimination, with the 215b being fairly overrated too. No surprise that the IS-4 is a god tier tank, kinda sad it got dropped off so quickly.

As for T9 and the E-50, I'm not sure. There might be tanks better than the E-50 at winning, but only by incredibly tiny amounts. I'd be surprised if anything other than the Skoda was better than the E-50 by anything significant. Guess we'll have to see.

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1 hour ago, TheMarine0341 said:

I give the E50 a VERY strong chance to win it

E50 and M46 will surely win the stat padding championship. But in real world T-54 and Object 4302 are stronger tanks for having the HEAT to take anything frontally with no fear, even though they don't farm damage as good as the two APCR tanks.

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Just now, Megrin said:

E50 and M46 will surely win the stat padding championship. But in real world T-54 and Object 4302 are stronger tanks for having the HEAT to take anything frontally with no fear, even though they don't farm damage as good as the two APCR tanks.

The v2 I agree with, but the HD remodel of the T-54 nerfed it to the ground. Its too paper now to do any kind of major carrying.

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1 minute ago, TaylorSwift said:

The v2 I agree with, but the HD remodel of the T-54 nerfed it to the ground. Its too paper now to do any kind of major carrying.

 

yeah...that's also true.

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A year ago, i might have agreed with you guys that E50 is the best tier 9 for winrate, but now i'd have to say E50 while def top 5, shouldn't be considered #1.

E50 is simply too slow(relatively) and the apcr too ineffective in tier 10 matches.

 

M46 with the inceased mobility makes it much more effective in tier 10 matches and in tier 9 its aimtime more or less shreds the opponent anyhow.

54 has enough armor in tier 9 games, and its speed can keep up in 10s, not to mention HEAT shell is simply invaluable in tier 10 games.

After that I think i'd have to go with the T10/Wz111, both with speed and armor, and most importantly, high pen HEAT.

Hell, i'd say even tanks like PTA is in contention, since it has the best combination of speed/gun handling/penetration in tier 9, only thing it lacks is armor, but you can get 70%+ solo winrate in it with HEAT strafe just fine.

 

Now, as you may have noticed, i emphasize on HEAT a lot, because the shit is good, even side/track/spaced armor can be by-passed with proper aim, not to mention the ability to bypass the need to flank and just melt shit from the front, and also the property to negate 70 degrees-80 degrees of angling is simply awesome against tanks such as hulldown E75/4502PB/215B/conq and generally anything with a high angled scalp that HEAT can just shred.

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2 minutes ago, CarbonWard said:

After that I think i'd have to go with the T10/Wz111, both with speed and armor, and most importantly, high pen HEAT.

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One thing I hate about WZ11114 is that the gun just refuses to hit stuff for me, other than that I'm totally cool with it.

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35 minutes ago, CarbonWard said:

 

Now, as you may have noticed, i emphasize on HEAT a lot, because the shit is good, even side/track/spaced armor can be by-passed with proper aim, not to mention the ability to bypass the need to flank and just melt shit from the front, and also the property to negate 70 degrees-80 degrees of angling is simply awesome against tanks such as hulldown E75/4502PB/215B/conq and generally anything with a high angled scalp that HEAT can just shred.

Normally when I load HEAT, I just aim for something flat. Your post makes me think there is a gap in my knowledge, something worth improving. Can you draw me (screenshot, model capture) a picture or 5?

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6 minutes ago, CraBeatOff said:

Normally when I load HEAT, I just aim for something flat. Your post makes me think there is a gap in my knowledge, something worth improving. Can you draw me (screenshot, model capture) a picture or 5?

 
 
 

http://imgur.com/a/nzKDO

HEAT vs. Conq turret and E75 turret. Angle is a little bit high for the conq screenshot just so you know.

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