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Elimination: Tier 9 - Skoda Victorious! (COMPLETE)

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WZ-120: 21

WZ-111 1-4: 23 

Skoda T-50: 29

AMX 30: 23

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 17

Jagdtiger: 22

VK 45.02 B: 22

E 75:  13+1 = 14 Keep up sweet price! My first T9 heavy and still a joy to play. The armor + 490 alpha outweigh the low speed for me. I have to admit that it's not as versatile as some other tanks on this list though.

E 50: 17

Leopard PTA:  22

Type 61: 8

Centurion 7/1: 3

Tortoise: 11-3 = 8 The only good things the Tortoise can do is brute DPM in very rare situations and providing HP for me to farm.

Conqueror: 24

T54E1: 18

T30: 16

M46 Patton: 32

Object 704: 17

T-54: 22

Obj  430V2: 24

T-10: 29

ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 21

WZ-111 1-4: 23 

Skoda T-50: 29+1 = 30. Great tank, great fun. Only tier 9 tank I have kept.

AMX 30: 23

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 17

Jagdtiger: 22

VK 45.02 B: 22

E 75: 14

E 50: 17

Leopard PTA:  22

Type 61: 8

Centurion 7/1: 3

Tortoise: 8-3 = 5 Boring tank is boring.

Conqueror: 24

T54E1: 18

T30: 16

M46 Patton: 32

Object 704: 17

T-54: 22

Obj  430V2: 24

T-10: 29

ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 21

WZ-111 1-4: 23 

Skoda T-50: 30

AMX 30: 23

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 17

Jagdtiger: 22

VK 45.02 B: 22

E 75: 14

E 50: 17

Leopard PTA:  22

Type 61: 8

Centurion 7/1: 3

Tortoise: 2- Soft & slow, and the Jagdtiger buff even stole its niche of high HP pool.

Conqueror: 24

T54E1: 18

T30: 16

M46 Patton: 32

Object 704: 17

T-54: 22

Obj  430V2: 24

T-10:  30 - Fast with a reliable high-pen gun, good DPM, good turret. 440 gun lets you outtrade most things, especially meds that you're going to be fighting. Armor is at least as reliable as T-54. Go to medium spots and bully. Basically a better T54.

ST-I: 20

 

Gotta say I was a bit sad to see the Lorraine go. It's not great, and the limitations cap the skill ceiling, but good pen, great speed, and a big clip make it better than several things that outlived it (M103, Tort, Cent for starters).

I was also tempted by the T54E1, because fuck you 1560 damage in <7 seconds.

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The hate on the Tortoise is real. Dunno why. The tank is actually quite good in the corridor meta. Exceptional gun traverse means you can shoot around corners and give zero percent chance armor to the enemy. The speed does make it suck tho.

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3 minutes ago, Trobs said:

The hate on the Tortoise is real. Dunno why. The tank is actually quite good in the corridor meta. Exceptional gun traverse means you can shoot around corners and give zero percent chance armor to the enemy. The speed does make it suck tho.

Battles end before you get to the fight, I guess

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6 minutes ago, Trobs said:

The hate on the Tortoise is real. Dunno why. The tank is actually quite good in the corridor meta. Exceptional gun traverse means you can shoot around corners and give zero percent chance armor to the enemy. The speed does make it suck tho.

It's a popularity contest. Fast tanks will generally be favored over slow tanks. And if we were to hold a referendum on the corridor meta, how many people here actually like it and the tanks that are exemplars of it?

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Just now, zippy_the_cat said:

It's a popularity contest. Fast tanks will generally be favored over slow tanks. And if we were to hold a referendum on the corridor meta, how many people here actually like it and the tanks that are exemplars of it?

That's what's is upsetting is we have people admitting they are just voting on what they like regardless of how good the tank is in the current meta. I don't think it's that good compared to so many 9s, but it's amazing at holding corners in a brawl. And funny enough, the current meta really really really loves to have those kinds of fights. I bet the VK4502B lasts a while, but it suffers the same issues as the Tortoise.

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WZ-120: 21
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 30
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 17
Jagdtiger: 22
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 14
E 50: 17
Leopard PTA:  22
Type 61: 8
Centurion 7/1: 3
Tortoise: -1 Goodbye. I finished the Tortoise grind with 57% win rate, so it's not that bad. I even liked it a bit when I managed to work around unreliable armor and 20 kph speed. However, 400 alpha is just too low and DPM rarely matters in TDs as you need to rely on retards staying in front of your gun. Maybe not the worst tank on this list, but I would like to kill this limping horse myself.
Conqueror: 24
T54E1: 18
T30: 16
M46 Patton: 32
Object 704: 17
T-54: 23 - Russian bias is still strong in this one. Armor is not reliable, but 330 HEAT is.
Obj  430V2: 24
T-10:  30
ST-I: 20

 

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Never played the Tortwa so I won't downboat it but it rarely if ever seems like a threat. If you get caught out by it maybe, since it can burn you down in short order if you're distracted or already burned your kit. Maybe it's great at holding corners if it can hide its hat, but at the same time I don't feel like I have trouble going through its superstructure with gold. When you combine that with bottom tiers penning its potato hat and the fact that it's so inflexible and slow without a turret I think it seems like a pretty big turd.

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4 minutes ago, Trobs said:

That's what's is upsetting is we have people admitting they are just voting on what they like regardless of how good the tank is in the current meta. I don't think it's that good compared to so many 9s, but it's amazing at holding corners in a brawl. And funny enough, the current meta really really really loves to have those kinds of fights. I bet the VK4502B lasts a while, but it suffers the same issues as the Tortoise.

The thing is, there are often better tanks for holding those corners. Take the brawl spot on Abbey's 2 line. Would you like a Tortoise there, or something like an ST-I?

In the end, I'd expect the jack-of-all-trades tanks to win out over the specialists. The Torty's a specialist.

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Just now, zippy_the_cat said:

The thing is, there are often better tanks for holding those corners. Take the brawl spot on Abbey's 2 line. Would you like a Tortoise there, or something like an ST-I?

In the end, I'd expect the jack-of-all-trades tanks to win out over the specialists. The Torty's a specialist.

It is definitely a specialist, but those tanks even stick around for a while. Sad to see it go. I love the Tort.

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13 minutes ago, Trobs said:

That's what's is upsetting is we have people admitting they are just voting on what they like regardless of how good the tank is in the current meta. I don't think it's that good compared to so many 9s, but it's amazing at holding corners in a brawl. And funny enough, the current meta really really really loves to have those kinds of fights. I bet the VK4502B lasts a while, but it suffers the same issues as the Tortoise.

  • I like slow tanks, including the churchills, they are actually quite decent (Black Prince is pure shit though)
  • I like(d) the british AT line, i even have an AT-8 in my garage (with 200 or so games)
  • I have 3k dpb with tortoise
  • I really. f****. hate. the Tortoise

It has armor worse as AT-15, on a higher tier, its gun is pew pew, but not enough, so in the end it cant really trade 2vs1 like at15 can, and as icing on the cake there much more high alpha / high hp tds and big arty on tier 9 as on tier 8.

The tortoise is one of the biggest turds of tier 9...

ps: ST-1 is stupid good though, and is objective speaking the best heavy and imo the best tier 9 (tied with E50) but we will see how far it comes

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16 minutes ago, GehakteMolen said:

ps: ST-1 is stupid good though, and is subjectively speaking the best heavy and imo the best tier 9 (tied with E50) but we will see how far it comes

FTFY.

That is the purpose of the thread, after all.

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WZ-120: 21
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 31 - 3 round autoloader is great, clip times are shorter and exposure is short
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 17
Jagdtiger: 22
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 14
E 50: 17
Leopard PTA:  22
Type 61: 8
Centurion 7/1: -ded- Slow with terrible DPM, unreliable armor, horrible for a medium aimtime. The only thing going for it is that it looked cool.
Conqueror: 24
T54E1: 18
T30: 16
M46 Patton: 32
Object 704: 17
T-54: 23
Obj  430V2: 24
T-10:  30
ST-I: 20

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11 minutes ago, Snoregasm2 said:

FTFY.

That is the purpose of the thread, after all.

im sure Richardnixon will later show us the winrate results (to not spoil this topic), but the only tanks i can see outperform the St-1 in terms of winrate are VK-P and E75 for <unicum and Skoda / E50 for >unicum.

If the IS4 is one of the best tier 10 tanks, the cloned version with more gun depression on a lower tier really cant be ``bad``..

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19 minutes ago, Ser_Pounce said:

WZ-120: 21
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 31
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 17
Jagdtiger: 22
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 14
E 50: 17
Leopard PTA:  22
Type 61: 8-3 = 5 - close between the Leo PTA and this for me, I enjoyed the tank when i grinded it, actually,  but its big, its got the giant tumor, its got no camo, and no armour. Its probably the worst tank still here.
Conqueror: 24
T54E1: 18
T30: 16
M46 Patton: 32
Object 704: 17
T-54: 23+1=24 - its still the most robust tank here, it has the best blend of firepower, mobility, armour, and camo of any tank at tier 9. The Patton doesn't have enough armour, the E-50 is too big and gets turret penned, and doesn't have the camo. The T-54 just does everything well. 
Obj  430V2: 24
T-10:  30
ST-I: 20

Sorry, on mobile so shit formatting and quote and stuff. Also still no colour options. (I cant change the green on the skoda from the last post)

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2 hours ago, Trobs said:

That's what's is upsetting is we have people admitting they are just voting on what they like regardless of how good the tank is in the current meta. I don't think it's that good compared to so many 9s, but it's amazing at holding corners in a brawl. And funny enough, the current meta really really really loves to have those kinds of fights. I bet the VK4502B lasts a while, but it suffers the same issues as the Tortoise.

Maybe the NA server is a special case but on EU the Tort gets rekt every time it shows its face anywhere. It's pretty solid as top tier but any tier 10 can AP-pen that thing right in the face, at least they could the last time I played. Weak roof, flat frontal armor and of course the legendary top weakpoint preventing its use around 50% of all corners. It's also slow as shit and it only really works against a lemming train that's somehow too stupid to reverse or go around you. It takes a miraculously stupid enemy AND friendly team to properly exploit the DPM on that thing.

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WZ-120: 21
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 31
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 17
Jagdtiger: 22
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 14
E 50: 17
Leopard PTA:  22
Type 61:5
Conqueror: 24
T54E1: 18-3=15 Horrible gun stats plus the needs to fire heat a lot. Really big too with not much armor.
T30: 16
M46 Patton: 32+1= 33 This is the most flexible of the tanks at tier 9 and can pretty much do anything except be a heavy.
Object 704: 17
T-54: 24
Obj  430V2: 24
T-10:  30
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 21
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 31
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 17
Jagdtiger: 22
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 14
E 50: 17
Leopard PTA:  22 - 3 = 19 It's not really bad, but nothing is on this list. Looking critically at all of these tanks I see that tier 9 is pretty decent all around. It's just too meh for my liking.
Type 61:5
Conqueror: 24
T54E1: 15 
T30: 16

M46 Patton: 33
Object 704: 17
T-54: 24
Obj  430V2: 24 + 1 = 25 It just has enough of everything. The typical rumed gun on a platform that has more armor than the opponent ever expects (plus I'm that weird guy who actually likes rear turrets most of the time).

T-10:  30
ST-I: 20

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2 hours ago, GehakteMolen said:
  • I like slow tanks, including the churchills, they are actually quite decent (Black Prince is pure shit though)
  • I like(d) the british AT line, i even have an AT-8 in my garage (with 200 or so games)
  • I have 3k dpb with tortoise
  • I really. f****. hate. the Tortoise

It has armor worse as AT-15, on a higher tier, its gun is pew pew, but not enough, so in the end it cant really trade 2vs1 like at15 can, and as icing on the cake there much more high alpha / high hp tds and big arty on tier 9 as on tier 8.

The tortoise is one of the biggest turds of tier 9...

ps: ST-1 is stupid good though, and is objective speaking the best heavy and imo the best tier 9 (tied with E50) but we will see how far it comes

black prince is one of the worst tanks in the game, a lot worse than t28 proto which is saying something, tier 6 church was fun in a meme way but very mediocre and the tier 5 is retardedly overpowered, 700hp + armour +dank 75mm gun, KV's dont stand a chance

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1 hour ago, GehakteMolen said:

im sure Richardnixon will later show us the winrate results (to not spoil this topic), but the only tanks i can see outperform the St-1 in terms of winrate are VK-P and E75 for <unicum and Skoda / E50 for >unicum.

That would be roughly true if WG hadn't buffed the M46, Conq, IS-8/T-10 and WZ111, while the 430v2 was always a legit competitor. The ST-I has poor skill scaling (probably due to the bad turret bloom), so tier 9's pretty close at the top now.

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WZ-120: 21
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 31
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 17
Jagdtiger: 22
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 14
E 50: 17
Leopard PTA:  19
Type 61: 5 - 3 = 2 This tank just seems.. worthless to me. Gigantic tumor on turret and no armor to speak of.
Conqueror: 24
T54E1: 15 
T30: 16

M46 Patton: 33
Object 704: 17
T-54: 24
Obj  430V2: 25 + 1 = 26 Even though I do enjoy the Skoda T-50 a lot, I think I enjoy the 430 II even more, even if I don't even do as well in it but dat armor at T9 on a Medium is just insane

T-10:  30
ST-I: 20

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