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Elimination: Tier 9 - Skoda Victorious! (COMPLETE)

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WZ-120: 18-3 =15   Should probably have downvoted the 704 (which will be obliterated next), but decided to downvote this one. The wz-120 ain't a bad tank, but the only tricks it's got up its sleeves is a big derpy gun with a strong turret, and frankly, heaviums like the wz111-1-4 and t10 can do the same thing it does, as fast, and with more armor and hp to pack a punch. It also lacks what every other mediums left in this list (but the t54e1) have: reliable gun slinging around raw dpm.
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 31+1 =32   Does not need any explanations, we all know it's a top 3 contender.
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 14.  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 9
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 16 
Conqueror: 24
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 34
Object 704: 5 
T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 26
T10: 33
ST-I: 20

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1 hour ago, _Juris said:

E75: 12 - Pretends to have reliable armor, but mostly what's reliable is that people will just load premium and punch right the fuck through you.  It suffers from trying to be a jack-of-all-trades, armor wise - which means it ends up having no armor that's simply "fuck you, you're not penning me" like its tier 9 German brother.  Derpy-ass gun with a reload too long for the alpha completes the shitty package.
 

 

1 hour ago, Kitten said:

E75: 12 - 3 = 9 I cannot reiterate how overrated this tank is

Why you bulli my baby:feelsbad:

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WZ-120: 15
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 327
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 14.  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 9
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 16 
Conqueror: 24  + 1 =25    A lot of good tanks left on this list but this tank holds a special place in my heart; I love tanks with good gun handling and this heavy has T62a esque gun handling with better alpha and gold round. Ground through the tank before its turret got buffed and loved it so much I reground a new crew to keep it before I stopped playing WoT altogether. Played it a couple times since the buff and the new turret eliminates the biggest hindrance to this tank's optimal play style.
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 34
Object 704: 5 - 3= 2   I've bought and rage sold this tank 3 times now. Even put a 4.5 skill crew in it. Nope; bad gun handling, derpy shells that love finding tracks for no damage, mediocre to bad all around tank handling, global camo nerf makes the easily perforated armor too weak to compensate for glacial aim time at medium ranges and to keep the tank alive in CQC. 750 alpha alone is overpowering enough at tier 7 and 8 to compensate for all the other deficiencies of the SU  platform and make them very dangerous; not so much at tier 9.
T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 26
T-10: 33
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 15
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 32
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 14

Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 9
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 16 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 34

Object 704: -1  Goodbye my favourite big alpha non-turreted turd. Where do I sign up to buy a turret? (2 -3)
T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 26
T-10: 34 Decent gun, speedy platform, workable turret armour, heavium masterrace. (33 +1)
ST-I: 20

 

Edit: I just realised @KenyanWarlord fucking deleted "Jagdtiger: 22" from the list on page 11. Fucking teals, man. :facepalm: Re-added to list.

Also, @Velvet_Ewok I see what you did to the Skoda T-50. Nice ninja from 32 to 327 lelz

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20 minutes ago, sundanceHelix said:
 

 

Edit: I just realised @KenyanWarlord fucking deleted "Jagdtiger: 22" from the list on page 11. Fucking teals, man. :facepalm: Re-added to list.

Also, @Velvet_Ewok I see what you did to the Skoda T-50. Nice ninja from 32 to 327 lelz

Fat-fingers is a serious and often misunderstood medical condition. Pls no bulli

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WZ-120: 15
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T-50: 32
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 11 TD meta still isn't a thing, and camo sniping is really just no good. I skipped most of this thing for a reason, even the excellent hard gun stats are negated by horrible depression angles.
Jagdtiger: 22  

VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 9
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 16 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 34

T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 Has everything that makes the T-54 good (dat heat, dat mobility), but without any of the bad (insanely strong armor, tiny target). By far the best T9 versus T10s. 
T-10: 34
ST-I: 20

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32 minutes ago, sundanceHelix said:

Edit: I just realised @KenyanWarlord fucking deleted "Jagdtiger: 22" from the list on page 11. Fucking teals, man. :facepalm: Re-added to list.

I think it's fairly clear I just copy pasted the list above mine so I have no idea how the jagd got lost. But fuck it. It's not #1 anyways.

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4 minutes ago, KenyanWarlord said:

I think it's fairly clear I just copy pasted the list above mine so I have no idea how the jagd got lost. But fuck it. It's not #1 anyways.

Obviously you accidentally deleted it when deleting the previous guy's comment on the Waffle IV which is just above the JT. Kek.

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I have been meaning to do it for a while but this thread finally made me get of my lazy ass to grab my wallet and sign up for patron so I can get 1 extra down vote per day. 

 

WZ-120: 15
WZ-111 1-4: 24 - Not played the T10 since the change so ill let other people vote on it. But I remember how much I enjoyed the 111-1-4-434 grind a while back, nice speed with an awesome alpha 500+ dmg always makes me smile! 
Skoda T-50: 32
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 8 It just struggles on most of the maps out there.  
Jagdtiger: 22  

VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 9
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 16 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 34

T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 34
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 15
WZ-111 1-4: 25 I played through the IS-8 long ago and haven't yet tried the buffed T-10. Hard to believe it's better than this beast. Everything you want in a mobile heavy including 50 dp more alpha per shot.
AMX 30: 23
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5 Because nothing says a tank has issues like when a salivating opponent loads HE.
Jagdtiger: 22  

VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 9
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 16 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 34

T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 34
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 15 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 32

AMX 30: 23 

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 9
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 16 - 3 = 13. It got sooo many buffs. However, its still large tank with mediocre depression and no armor, and just like Leo 1, it just isnt suited very well for corridor meta. 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 34

T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 34 + 1 = 35. already explained, i just love this tank so much
ST-I: 20

 

edit: edited to match zippy's changes

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I came here to kill the Shiturion which is objectively the worst L7 platform in the game. Been done already though. Time for an unpopular opinon

 

WZ-120: 15 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 32

AMX 30: 23 

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E50: 30
Leopard PTA: 13 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 34

T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27

ST-I: 20


E75: 9 -3 = 6 I've played every tier nine heavy recently except the Conq, 50 120 and the M103. This is my least favourite by a considerable margin. This was my first tier nine and I thought I loved it but looking back on it it's armour is ineffective, it's gun has a shitty reload and is nowhere near as accurate as it needs to be. Has been power creeped more than any other tier nine. Worst in tier DPM, aim time and power to weight. It's not a terrible tank but it's not very inspiring either


T-10: 35 +1 = 36 This was a toss up between the Skoda and the T-54. All three are excellent tanks and strong contenders for best in tier. What this has that the other two don't is very few weaknesses. This thing still has respectable alpha (equal second best in tier), a good reload time (second best DPM in tier) great gun handling (second best in tier) and great mobility (second best in tier) along with an amazing turret (objectively best in tier). The IS-8 was always a criminally underrated tank. The T-10 is a monster.


This was actually a really hard choice for me as I've long maintained that tier nine is the most balanced tier in the game. There are very few truly bad tanks at that tier and even the bad ones have a niche that they can play

 

Copy pasta ready list in spoiler

 

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WZ-120: 15 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 32

AMX 30: 23 

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 6
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 13 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 34

T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 36
ST-I: 20

 

 

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WZ-120: 15 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 32

AMX 30: 23 

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22

E75: 6 - 3  = 3  Slow and big , gets penned by HEAT easy. Bad reload and handling. Sold it.
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 13.
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  

M46 Patton: 34 + 1 = 35  Love the murican comfort and snap shotting.

Excellent gun handling and  gun depression. Such a good package.

T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 36
ST-I: 20

 

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WZ-120: 15 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 32

AMX 30: 23 

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 3
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 13 - 3: 10 free exped it to get the leo 1.. i still regret spending money on this, it's literally a glass cannon that cannot take a single hit without losing its ammorack, which in the current meta (cqb maps) it's pretty annoying
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 35 + 1: 36 best tier 9 medium by far! 105mm gun on a mobile chassis with godly gun handling and depression.. it's not that huge and the turret is hard to hit at a distance... NOTE. press 2-2 for EZ mode

T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 36
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 15 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 32

AMX 30: 23 

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 0 - I'd rather play any of the other tanks. 
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 10
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 37 - best t9 tank

T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 36
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 12 A bad upper plate with a supposedly strong turret ruined by prominent cupolas. The alpha doesn't make up for the terrible gun handling and 3 degrees of depression.
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 32
AMX 30: 23 
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 11 A mobile sniper, the PTA has a role that it's perfectly suited for. Even in a corridor meta, great mobility will always offer opportunities to outplay opponents. Gun handling is far better than on the AMX 30, for which I don't find the -2 degrees of gun depression too high a price to pay.
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 37
T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 36
ST-I: 20

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How the hell E-75 went down already? I thought that its one of the strongest tier 9 HTs? And how VK 4502B still at 22? jeez

VKB sure has lol retarded front armor, but its also so much slower. Combine that with rear turret, and its lot more inflexible. Not to mention turret equally gets wrecked by HEAT, as it uses SAME turret. It has weaker side too; 100mm is actually possible to be penned by average pen roll of many high tier clickers.

VKB is great at doing HT-12, but still, if you know how to deal with it, its actually less fearsome than E-75, IMO.

 

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12 hours ago, GehakteMolen said:

im sure Richardnixon will later show us the winrate results (to not spoil this topic), but the only tanks i can see outperform the St-1 in terms of winrate are VK-P and E75 for <unicum and Skoda / E50 for >unicum.

If the IS4 is one of the best tier 10 tanks, the cloned version with more gun depression on a lower tier really cant be ``bad``..

 

10 hours ago, RichardNixon said:

That would be roughly true if WG hadn't buffed the M46, Conq, IS-8/T-10 and WZ111, while the 430v2 was always a legit competitor. The ST-I has poor skill scaling (probably due to the bad turret bloom), so tier 9's pretty close at the top now.

As was noted in the tier 10 thread, the IS-4 W/R is a quirky anomaly that everyone has struggled to explain. What it definitely does have is more abusable armour against nubs due to it being the king of sidescraping. The ST-I isn't all that great compared to other tier 9 heavies, especially FsOTM T-10 and WZ-111111111111111 1-4. Add to that the Conqueror with it's best in tier turret, DPM and gun handling and 3 mediums who only weakness is 'TOO MANY CREDITS SPENT' in the E 50, M46 and 430v.2 and it would be a surprise if the ST-I even broke the top 8 tanks on this list.

At no point in the last year or so, perhaps ever, has the ST-I been objectively the best tank at tier 9. That's because a) there is no objective best tank at any tier (this subjective convergence of opinions will be the closest we come to that, however) and b) even using W/R, it is arguable at best whether W/R is a true indication of whether a tank is the 'best' or not (again, IS-4 pls).

10 hours ago, CarbonWard said:

STI has arguably the worst gun in tier 9 period.0.25/0.25/0.2 dispersion  with 3.4 sec aimtime on a 440 alpha gun is pure cancer.

People seem to forget this. ST-I is legitimately useful and better than most of its competitors in 20-50m engagements, and that's it.

19 minutes ago, CarbonWard said:

the ironic part is that its killed before ST-I,  a same role tank thats shittier in everyway.

I'd still say the ST-I is more abusable than the E 75 due to the better turret, and probably deserves to outlast the E 75. An autopen turret with prem ammo is a massive disadvantage in today's meta, and the ST-I can still bounce most prem rounds unless you aim carefully.

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WZ-120: 12 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 32 - 3 =  29 i can't carry, and i hate every single game in it (good or bad ones). So overrated. 
AMX 30: 23 
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5 + 1 = 6 nice turreted TD, moderate alpha and accuracy, can do well in coridors. 
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 11 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 37
T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 36
ST-I: 20

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11 minutes ago, BlackAdder said:


WZ-120: 12 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 32 - 3 =  29 i can't carry, and i hate every single game in it (good or bad ones). So overrated. 
AMX 30: 23 
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 5 + 1 = 6 nice turreted TD, moderate alpha and accuracy, can do well in coridors. 
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 11 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 37
T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 36
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 12 
WZ-111 1-4: 25
Skoda T-50: 29
AMX 30: 20 - Seems rather uncomfortable to play, traverse speed and bloom in particular looks meh. Not ideal for a med
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 6
Jagdtiger: 22  
VK 45.02 B: 22
E50: 30     
Leopard PTA: 11 
Conqueror: 25 
T54E1: 16
T30: 14  
M46 Patton: 38 - Best tank at finding and exploiting opportunities to deal damage
T-54: 25 
Obj  430V2: 27 
T-10: 36
ST-I: 20

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Worst in tier DPM, aim time and power to weight.

Type 4 has lower power to weight and DPM while ST-I has worse aim time.

The E75 also has good terrain resistance for a heavy, which somewhat offsets the HP/ton.

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