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Elimination: Tier 9 - Skoda Victorious! (COMPLETE)

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3 hours ago, Kolni said:

T-54 absolutely rapes tier 10 heavies while E 50 and Patton sits there trying to pen that E 100 shooting down on its LFP because you're above him :serb: 

omg DIS

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da list:

WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 22
Skoda T50: 25
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21
Waffen IV: 20
Jagdtiger: 20
VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 18 
E 50: 25
Leo PTA: 19
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 12
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 22
Conway: 17
T54E1: 21
T30: 21

M46 Patton: 29
M103: 17
Object 704: 17

SU-122-54: 11
T-54: 20
Obj 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 22
Skoda T50: 25
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffen IV: 20-3=17 over nerfed to the point where the JT is flat out better even with the turret. Gun depression is too finicky to abuse. Lol camo nerf, and still goes only as fast as the jag.

Jagdtiger: 20+ 1= 21 Buffed for some reason. XP pinata for some, op as shit for others. Great gun, decent hull down, loads of HP, retarded amount of dpm and alpha, decent speed, "Unicums do better in this tank." TDs in general are garbage, but this is the one TD I still have fun in other than the RHM.

 VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 18 
E 50: 25
Leo PTA: 19
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 12
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 22
Conway: 17
T54E1: 21
T30: 21

M46 Patton: 29
M103: 17
Object 704: 17

SU-122-54: 11
T-54: 20
Obj 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-I: 20

Forum wont auto correct colors and formatting is fucked. gg never

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 22
Skoda T50: 25
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffen IV: 17

Jagdtiger: 21

 VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 18 
E 50: 25
Leo PTA: 19
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 12
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 22+1=23. Mighty tank, that has a very reliable gun, decent armor, good hp. It is a jack of all trades and master of none and that's what random cries for.
Conway: 17
T54E1: 21
T30: 21

M46 Patton: 29
M103: 17
Object 704: 17

SU-122-54: 11-3=8. In this current meta, I don't feel much difference when playing this tank or playing my su-122-44, except for the tier differences :D
T-54: 20
Obj 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 22
Skoda T50: 25
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffen IV: 17

Jagdtiger: 21

VK 45.02 B: 22
E-75: 18 - 3 = 15. From all remaining tanks I played myself this one is less fun. Not bad overall, maybe I can't get it work propably, but I had to choose.
E-50: 25
Leo PTA: 19
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 12
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 23
Conway: 17
T54E1: 21
T30: 21

M46 Patton: 29 + 1 = 30. Because it's just love and pure fun to play. You can do everything you want.
M103: 17
Object 704: 17

SU-122-54: 8
T-54: 20
Obj 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 22
Skoda T50: 25
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffen IV: 14. Campy TD encouraging camping, nope.

Jagdtiger: 21

 VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 15
E 50: 25
Leo PTA: 19
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 12
Tortoise: 17

Conqueror: 23
Conway: 17
T54E1: 21
T30: 21

M46 Patton:  31. Great gun handling+DPM, fast enough, good gun dep and apcr.
M103: 17
Object 704: 17

SU-122-54: 8


T-54: 20
Obj 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 22
Skoda T50: 25
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffen IV: 14

Jagdtiger: 21

VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 15
E 50: 25
Leo PTA: 19
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 12
Tortoise: 17

Conqueror: 23
Conway: 17
T54E1: 21
T30: 21

M46 Patton:  32 excelent gun, good apcr, very flexible
M103: 17
Object 704: 17

SU-122-54: 5 nothing going for it
T-54: 20
Obj 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 22 + 1 = 23 Strong heavium with 500 alpha gun and 50 km/h speed with usable armor, able to go to med spots and bulli meds or go to to heavy columns and comes out on top.
Skoda T50: 25 - 3 = 22 while a very strong tank with good gun coupled with fast in-clip and out clip reload, its clipping power and speed makes it too overpowered that I'd say its detrimental to the game balance.
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffen IV: 14

Jagdtiger: 21

VK 45.02 B: 22
E75: 15
E 50: 25
Leo PTA: 19
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 12
Tortoise: 17

Conqueror: 23
Conway: 17
T54E1: 21
T30: 21

M46 Patton: 32
M103: 17
Object 704: 17

SU-122-54: 5
T-54: 20
Obj 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-I: 20

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T50: 22 
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 14
Jagdtiger: 21
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 15
E 50: 25
Leopard PTA: 20
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 12
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 23
Conway: 14
T54E1: 21
T30: 21
M46 Patton: 32
M103: 17
Object 704: 17
SU-122-54: 5
T-54: 20
Object 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-1: 20

 

Leopard PTA: I loved it before the Buff, surely its better now.
Conway:  Fuck this gun handling

 

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T50: 22 
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 14
Jagdtiger: 21
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 15
E 50: 25
Leopard PTA: 20
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 12
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 23
Conway: 14
T54E1: 21
T30: 21
M46 Patton: 32
M103: 14 Worst T9 heavy, has almost nothing going for it. Mediocre gun, armour, speed, and gets shat on by arty like no other.
Object 704: 17
SU-122-54: 5
T-54: 21 Embodiment of flexibility, with good performance in every important characteristic. It is unfortunate that there is no T55A on this list, that tank is just a touch better than the T54.
Object 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-1: 20

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1 minute ago, Rexxie said:

Reminder that you can hit control+right click on the reply box before pasting and hit "paste without formatting" to fix broken colors or w/e.

Would be neat to not "22+1=23" stuff and write explanation at the end so its easier to copy pasterino :P 

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2 hours ago, Lockhart77 said:

Skoda T50: 25 - 3 = 22 while a very strong tank with good gun coupled with fast in-clip and out clip reload, its clipping power and speed makes it too overpowered that I'd say its detrimental to the game balance.

fucking blues... NEGGING BECAUSE ITS FUCKING OP WHEN THE POINT OF THE FUCKING EXERCISE IS TO DETERMINE WHAT WE GENERALLY FEEL IS THE BEST FUCKING TANK IN THIS TIER? SERIOUSLY?

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5 minutes ago, TheMarine0341 said:

fucking blues... NEGGING BECAUSE ITS FUCKING OP WHEN THE POINT OF THE FUCKING EXERCISE IS TO DETERMINE WHAT WE GENERALLY FEEL IS THE BEST FUCKING TANK IN THIS TIER? SERIOUSLY?

cmon guys just one more neg for the skoda, marines aneurysm is only one more skoda neg post away :gaytroll:

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T50: 22 
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 15
Jagdtiger: 21
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 15
E 50: 25
Leopard PTA: 20
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 9
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 23
Conway: 14
T54E1: 21
T30: 21
M46 Patton: 32
M103: 14
Object 704: 17
SU-122-54: 5
T-54: 21
Object 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-1: 20

Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 15  - amazing tank is you prefer not to camp...fast enough to get to the right spots to pump out damage even at t10. Amazing gun + camo + speed. I rate it higher than RHM.

Cent 7/1: 9 - it just doesn't shoot enough...with leo pta at least you get amazing mobility, this thing since HD is just a POS. The turret was usable eons ago but now it just doesn't work anymore. Sold for the Cent X which is great!

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T50: 22 
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 15
Jagdtiger: 21+1=22
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 15
E 50: 25
Leopard PTA: 20
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 9
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 23
Conway: 14
T54E1: 21
T30: 21
M46 Patton: 32
M103: 14 -3=11
Object 704: 17
SU-122-54: 5
T-54: 21 
Object 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-1: 20

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 23
Skoda T50: 23 - Fucking blues
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 
AMX 30: 21 
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 15
Jagdtiger: 22
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 15
E 50: 25
Leopard PTA: 20
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 9
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 23
Conway: 14
T54E1: 21
T30: 21
M46 Patton: 32
M103: 11 
Object 704: 17
SU-122-54: 2 - Objectively I cannot think of a worse tank remaining
T-54: 21 
Object 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25
ST-1: 20

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1 hour ago, KurtaMurta said:

PSA: You don't have colour buttons on 1280px wide screens. It's not you, it's the forum. Keep using bold/italic, or buy bigger monitor.

I have a 2560px wide screen and can't click on it not because its not there but because I can click it:brokenheart:

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There are some fast posting here, so i will explain my decisions in a separate post.

This thread will end in a fight between great meds (50, 54, and Skoda - best one IMHO, but so far just 15 battles with top gun...will wote later for it) and excellent heaviums (WZ 1-4 / IS-8, down to preferences, i did poorly in both, but my bro rocks some serious balls...while he plays meds badly...over aggressive)...and almost all tds are significantly worse than them, one is as close as a td can be.

Jagdtiger: 21+1=22

Buffed, and went HD to even greater level of fascist box sexiness. 

Great gun (2 for 1 vs all heavies in tier except 400 alpha weaklings), decent hull down, loads of HP, retarded amount of dpm and alpha, decent speed and turn rate (new physics made the JAG FASTER while E 50 got SLOWER. because logic).

 "Unicums do better in this tank."...

 

so true, but for blues like me it is also decent winner. Win more vs good players than E 75, because armor can be negated...acc+alpha+dpm...this gun is perfect. Good players can pen you in pretty much any tank same tier or lower with gold, but you can hit them back faster, harder and more reliable (yes, mantlet trolls heat sometimes...but not often. Just enough to ruin someones day on occasion), while having same HP as some tier X heavies...HELL YEA.

Armor is enough hull down to shit on all tier 8s...and Jag has a bad rep for softness, so it gets less gold spam than it should...because gold just melts it...but it is less than 15-20% of shells i receive. Armor use EFE is the almost the same as E 75 for me (in dmg blocked, not in coefficient...because more hp). That is because i got shelled on range more often, sometimes from draw distance...and for E 75 ppl load gold, for jag not so.

M103 My hate for this tank is well known and documented on M103 thread. But i can also vent it here.

I would rather be in a tier 9 battle in T32 than in M103. Sure, i would end in deep red after battle, but M103 has 10 m less viewrange, and -2 less gun depression. Turret is cheese, along with even the UFP (IS-3 can pen UFP with AP in most cases, if it aims middle of it)!!!

In T32 i would peek over ridge, took a look with 460 m (optics, because i could afford time to aim all day long) view range, and only tanks that would stay unspotted were meds or lights, and once they fired on me (and bounced) i would burn  them down.

Dispersion values are almost the same, 0.38 or 0.37 same.

Sure, gun is great for killing tier X, and if i have someone to tank for me i can kill IS-7 and E 100 all day long with HEAT...But being top tier heavy, without autoloader or alpha, or speed, I must brawl...I always try not to be first in line, and to support, or even go with mediums if there are enough heavies...but this tank is so huge and soft...If it only had gun depression...or no overmatch at least.

Armor use efe is 0.5 vs 1.1 on T32...and that is considering ppl usualy decide not to even try to shoot T32 if only turret is visible...ir switch to HE...a lot of matches i would block 2-3 k dmg, and get only HE spam or arty in T32.

Maybe 0.5 armor use is good for this pile of shit, but I like REAL armor, the fuck you peasants of ST-I, E 75, KV-1, T-150 or VK.B (armor use efe 2.1, trololol, played post buff only).  Tank that bounce at least their hitpoints on average, counting arty and flanking mediums...meaning one in 3-4 frontal shot does dmg at most, if properly positioned.

When I platoon with my bro running T57 in my E 100 i feel like Sevastopol fortress...E 100 bounce 3-4 k dmg every battle as long as someone take advantage of enemy reload and clip them to death, and I throw 750 HEAT shell to finish poor bastards.

T32 was like that. If armor is iffy (and a lot of module damage) i would rather be in medium tank...

Seriously, my T-54 has better armor use efe, not considering all the shots that missed me (like 50%) or were no dmg criticals...and every shot thrown on M103 hits...and kills driver or ammorack...on T-54 it was also a nuisance, but since a lot of shot missed/not penned, it was bearable, and i could hide ammorack...and it was less frequent module dmg.

Jagdtiger has also better armor efe, and it has no turret, so many times when I must push I simply dpm enemies till they die, since they can put 50% my hitpoints of dmg in me before they die at most...and facehug/hulldown much better, even with HEAT spam in superstructure (and JT mantlet is not what it used to be, now gold pennable)

E 50 too felt like armored benemoth after playing M103...with much better gun, same alpha, better  speed and at least enough camo/vision to outspot all enemy heavies and lower tier mediums.. Bounced 2x JPE 100 in a row with E 50, with M 103 I am pnned by tier 8 in most cases.

Worst tier 9 i ever played. I have 50% better armor use efe in WZ 111 1-4, and it has better gun, and almost medium speed. Fucking Obj 430 v2 has double the armor efe, and is a med...tiny one, so many shots missed me...and brutal camo, and fair speed, even for a medium.

And yes, i wiggle, go hulldown, move back/forth, bait shots in sides only to straighten up in last moment...0.5 armor use efe is not nothing, but...this tank has no strong points at all, and is not "overall good" to matter at all, since so many "heaviums" are better...even IS-8/T-10 post buff has everything better...hull and turret armor, gun (almost the same acc, reload, but better alpha and good soft stats not to matter longer aim time), even fucking russian tank sees better than me!   From 50 m more than IS-3 to 10 m less than T-10...60 M blinder tier for tier vs ubiquitous russkies, only that brick ST-I has just 10 m less, but it has god-mode turret, and same gun depression!!!!

No carry potential.

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WZ-120: 20
WZ-111 1-4: 23

Skoda T-50: 23
Foch: 5
Lorraine 40t: 6 - 3 = 3; This tank doesn't really have any upsides over the 50100 a tier lower than some more speed. The gun can't hit a thing without fully aiming in (meaning that you can't dump the clip at max rate), is huge, soft, and module-damage prone, and doesn't even have astounding vision capabilities to make up for it. Plus, 1800 damage isn't enough at Tier 9 to comfortably clip down a lot of tanks from full HP when they're alone. No me gusta.
AMX 30: 21 
Waffenträger auf Panzer IV: 15
Jagdtiger: 23
VK 45.02 B: 22
E 75: 15
E 50: 25
Leopard PTA: 20 + 1 = 21; This tank is ridiculously fast, has a laser-accurate gun with great APCR penetration, , good alpha, great shell speed, a reload that coincides with going dark behind cover, and a HEAT round useful for E-100 turrets. It also has great camo and view range; you can even kite people on Pilsen at times. Sure, the meta just isn't what it used to be for vision-centered tanks, but this tank still rocks.
Type 61: 14
Centurion 7/1: 9
Tortoise: 17
Conqueror: 23
Conway: 14
T54E1: 21
T30: 21
M46 Patton: 32
M103: 8
Object 704: 17

SU-122-54: 2
T-54: 21 
Object 430 II: 23 
T-10: 25

 

Edit to update for postsnipe just before me.

Guy above me should have JT going from 22 to 23.

 

 

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