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Ranking the Tier 9's

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3 minutes ago, TheMarine0341 said:

But more realistic. Pubbies can make single shots work better, auto-loaders favor skill players

 

the more an autoloader acts like a single shot the better it is. tbh the pace of this game really favor autoloaders a lot.

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1 hour ago, flare_phoenix said:

Only things I rated a t10 were the Skoda & the T-10. Skoda is fairly obvious; I rated the T-10 how I did as it manages to combine usable armor (spaced bullshit, decent pike, strong turret), speed (50 kph, 15 p/w, good terrain resistances), and great firepower (M62 is the second best t9 heavy gun behind the L1A1, best handling out of all RU heavies, second highest dpm in tier with 440 alpha). I never played it before it was renamed but it's definitely one of my favorite tanks in the game. 

Tanks I rated 9: M46, Conqueror. E 50. 

@GehakteMolen out of pure curiosity, what would you rate the T9 T34? 

I didnt play it much, sicne i assumed it would be shit + the stock grind was beyond terrible, 110k exp with the T29 gun without gold ammo, while every game you fight IS4 / IS7 / T54.

However it was quite decent / good actually, it was fast, it had a good gun, 10 deg gun dep, good turret, all it didnt have was hull armor (it also had 1900 hp)

current T30 with 120mm look a tiny bit like it, except T34 had 250 hp more, way better mobility, better gun handling (and worse reload speed) it guess an 7, equal to M103 more or less (i actually liked it more, due to its more ``extreme`` playstyle, m103 is more a jack of all trades)

See here for stats comparison (also includes IS4 stats)

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/74914-tt9-vk-4502-p-ausf-b-vs-e75-vs-is4-vs-t34-vs-amx-50-120/

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After 325 votes

4.227451 Rate the T95

4.252033 Rate the Type 4 HT

4.772 Rate the Foch

5.577869 Rate the Conway

6.04Rate the Lorrain 40t

6.183594Rate the Tortise

6.253012Rate the SU-122-54

6.343173Rate the AMX 50 120

6.475836Rate the Centurion 7/1

6.51004Rate the WZ 120

6.707224Rate the Jagdtiger

6.793774Rate the Type 61

6.962687Rate the Leo PTA

6.970803Rate the M103

7.071429Rate the T54E1

7.293893Rate the Object 704

7.30888Rate the Waffen IV

7.325758Rate the T30

7.748062Rate the Object 430 vII

7.800738Rate the VK 45.02 B

7.817829Rate the WZ-111 1-4

7.863636Rate the AMX 30p

7.912879Rate the STI

8.106227Rate the M46 Patton

8.221831Rate the E 75

8.296578Rate the Conqueror HT

8.338129Rate the T-10

8.600694Rate the T-54

8.690909Rate the E 50

8.950192Rate the Skoda T-50

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WZ-111 1-4 (9) :

Mobility: Feels almost like a medium

Armor: Workable and trollish

Gun: Combine the alpha of the E 75 and an actually good ROF, join some quite surprisingly good gun handling (at least it feels from self experience) and you got yourself an A-Class gun

Why not rate 10: Prone to ammoracks and bad gun depression

Skoda T-50 (10):

Mobility: However limited to 50 kph, it gets a whopping 1000 bhp engine that makes this thing shift

Armor: Weak overall, but who cares? You don't play mediums for its armor (few exceptions) the gun mantlet can troll and if you use your 8 degrees of gun depression along with the fast intraclip of its gun they will either have to rush the shot or just not be fast enough to actually hit you

Gun: 960 burst plus good gun handling and good reload time for an autoloader, it just outperforms the other tier 9 autoloaders (many may consider its penetration a weak point but it has been working wonders for me)

AMX 30p (10):

Mobility: Light tank level

Armor: Same as Skoda T-50 but with better camo rating

Gun: Gets the avg 390 alpha with 260 penetration, good gun handling... what else to say?! It is an amazing performer

Leopard PTA (10):

For me performs as good as the AMX 30p, had no troubles with ammoracks, the turret is not troll but I don't count with my armor when driving paper tanks, the gun has better gun handling so it balances out IMO

Conqueror (10):

Mobility: Generic heavy tank mobility

Armor: Weak lower plate and prone to ammoracks when it is shot through the tracks, but oh boy if you go hulldown nothing can stop you (arty fuck off)

Gun: The best aspect of this tank, point and click along with medium tank DPM level, High penetration AP round and gets APCR as premium, this gun shoots fast, hits point on and will penetrate, 7 degrees of depression (very workable for a heavy), best gun ever

M46 Patton (9):

Mobility: It is not super fast, but it can shift

Armor: trollish, specially the turret

Gun: Snapshot this, snapshot that and snapshot some more. Best DPM and gun handling of all the tier 9 meds, 10 degrees of gun depression

Why not rate 10: Weak penetration on standart AP round and avg penetration on the premium rounds, it is like this tank doesn't get a golden round and although it has godly gun handling its accuracy means you can not realiably hit weakspots at range

T-54 (9):

Mobility: Very nimble

Armor: Troll hull and fairly strong turret armor and it gets one of the best camo ratings (Russian BIAS?)

Gun: Great gun handling and ROF

Why not rate 10: 5 degrees of gun depression limits your choice to use the turret armor, 201 standart pen means you will be needing the very good 330 pen Heat rounds vs the big boys (and IS-3's because reasons). This tank is godly at brawling with lower tier oponents but can struggle vs equal tier opponents if not in an hulldown position

T-10 (10):

It is a WZ-111 1-4 that can go hulldown with more success and is not prone to ammoracks as much, gets a slightly lower alpha gun, but hey it is the price of balancing I guess

 

 

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My top ratings (9s and 10s) went to the following:

E50, WZ-111-1-4, Skoda T50, M46 Patton, Conqueror, AMX 30p and T-54.  

That's primarily based on their carrying ability - they are all tanks with good to great mobility, the ability to influence a battle strongly with their presence, and rarely finding themselves in a situation where they can't contribute.  I know the AMX 30p doesn't have great gun handling compared to some of the others, but outside of the cruise ship turning, its a lot of fun to play.

Of those, I rated the Skoda a 10 just because its potential is insane.  The others have some more (albeit incredibly slight) noticeable drawbacks.  It is my choice for best in tier tank right now.

Edit: 

I rated the T95 and Type 4 as 2s, which was the lowest I went.  The speed kills it for me, and for the Type 4, its armor is a joke.  People just laugh their way through your armor with sprem rounds.

 

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20 minutes ago, M4A3E8sherman said:

How did we even get 325 votes in the first place? I didn't know the forum had that many active members.

The survey was also linked on the WOT subreddit by Marine to gather more inputs.

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1 hour ago, LycanPT said:

AMX 30p (10):

Mobility: Light tank level

Armor: Same as Skoda T-50 but with better camo rating

Gun: Gets the avg 390 alpha with 260 penetration, good gun handling... what else to say?! It is an amazing performer

1

LT mobility, except when you want to turn

Good gun handling, except when you need to turn your turret anywhere

which means 60% of the time.

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29 minutes ago, Megrin said:

LT mobility, except when you want to turn

Good gun handling, except when you need to turn your turret anywhere

which means 60% of the time.

Its like American sports car designers developed a tank - great in straight lines, sucks at anything to do with turning :P

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You can see the pubbies on reddit got to this with the T54 being nearly a full point higher than the 430 II. Still, should be some interesting data.

 

Tanks rated 9-10:

 

Skoda T-50: Autoloader with good dpm, decent gun handling, good mobility. Arguably better tier for tier than the TVP.

E-50: Even though I have trouble with it sometimes, when you get its armour working, it has a great gun to go with it. Only real downside is the easy to pen turret and mediocre maneuverability.

Conqueror: Amazing gun and turret, which fits my playstyle very well. Maneuverability is bad, but not as bad as some other heavies allowing you to get some clean up damage.

430 II: Like the T-54 but with actual armour. 330 HEAT on a t9 med is nice, and this one has the armour to back it up, with some nice sidescrape potential on top of the nice turret. I would say this tank is underrated and underplayed since it leads to the mediocre 430.

T-10: Great heavium with decent maneuverability, a good turret, and a solid gun to top it off. Sometimes can get lucky with the black wholes in the side, but mostly the potential to play hulldown makes it work out pretty well.

 

 Tanks rated 1-2:

AMX 50 120: I hated this tank with a passion, a gun that doesn't feel like an autoloader with 3.33s between shells, the reason that I discovered how bad gun elevation can give you ebola and to add insult to injury it has bad gun depression too. Not necessarily deserving of its spot here, but I have PTSD from playing it.

Type 4 Heavy: Literally just an HP piñata, slow, bad gun, armour that only works against mongoloids.

T95: Hello artillery.

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15 hours ago, GehakteMolen said:

E50 and ST-1 a 9, bunch of others an 8 (T54, M46, T-10, Conq, T30)

Imo nothing is a 10, since 10 would be perfection, and nothing at tier 9 is perfect, E50 doesnt have HEAT or bs turret armor, T54 doesnt have -8 gun dep, M46 has no armor, ST-1 is too slow + no gun handling and so on

only Type 4 got a 2, Lorraine a 3 and T95 also a 3

ps: only tanks a 10 would be IS4, and first versions of T54 and Obj 704 (the 704 was faster and had same gun arc as tortoise + stronk working as intended camo)

Comparing any tanks in the game now to poorly balanced tanks with +/-4 MM spread 4 or 5 years ago is retarded, but you've even managed to do that wrong. You don't think a Skoda T 50 would eat a PZ. 4 for breakfast? Hell, it only needs to shots from its clip to wipe it out, allowing it to pump a shot into the SU-100 next to him, reload, kill the SU-100 and then killed the KV-1 for good measure.

All in the time it takes for the IS-4 to drive to the heavy brawl area.

It could be argued that the T 50 would have even been better than the IS-4 due to vision meta back then. But it's a pointless discussion, as we're talking about the tier 9 tanks TODAY. In that context, there will be 10s.

You have in the T 50 an autoloader that has gun depression AND DPM AND mobility AND gun handling AND short intraclip reload AND short interclip reload making it easy to manage clips. All it lacks is armour. Name me an autoloader with armour? Exactly.

15 hours ago, TheMarine0341 said:

I looked at it not as a ranking in perfection, but vs its peers. The T50 or T10 may not be perfect tanks, but vs their peers they are

Exactly. Is the Skoda T 50 better than any other medium, or autoloader, or even tank generally, at tier 9? It sure as hell is. It's better than half the tier 10 tanks, let alone tier 9.

Easy 10.

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M46 vs. E50 gun handling:

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ignored full speed moving cuz E50's top speed is much higher.

Less than 10% difference.

:cri:just realize that I took the wrong screenshot for turret traverse

but believe me E50 was better

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I like the part where when this got posted to Reddit, suddenly the E75 sky-rockets upwards as greens start voting.

Ratings for me:

10 | T-10, TVP

9 | WZ 111 1-4, E 50, M46, Conqueror

8 / PTA, Type 61, T54E1, 430 II

7 | T-54, Jagdtiger, 30P, WZ 120

6 | 50 120, Waffle, 7/1, Tortwaas, M103, 704, 122-54

5 | T30, Lorraine

4 | E 75, VKB, Foch, Conway

3 | ST-I

2| Type 4

1| T95

 

In hind sight my average rating seems to be a 7 when really it should be closer to 5 so I rated lots of stuff too highly, that being said, all my 9s and 10s deserve to be at that score IMO; maybe should have scored the lorraine, 7/1, and some TDs lower.

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12 hours ago, Megrin said:

LT mobility, except when you want to turn

Good gun handling, except when you need to turn your turret anywhere

which means 60% of the time.

Yeah well but if you're working ridge lines and have the gun already poiting in the direction of the enemy you just need to go forward to poke, you can most of the time negate that factor IMO

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1 hour ago, LycanPT said:

Yeah well but if you're working ridge lines and have the gun already poiting in the direction of the enemy you just need to go forward to poke, you can most of the time negate that factor IMO

 

no..

that turret bloom means that even the slightest movement on your turret is gonna make the aiming circle explode, thus cost you another half a second to aim or just derp your shot.

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749 replies, here's the results

4.2894280762565 Rate the Type 4 HT

4.39 Rate the T95

4.76910016977929 Rate the Foch

5.47916666666667 Rate the Conway

5.90491283676704 Rate the Lorrain 40t

6.10942760942761 Rate the Tortise

6.24143835616438 Rate the SU-122-54

6.35483870967742 Rate the AMX 50 120

6.43247588424437 Rate the Centurion 7/1

6.50340136054422 Rate the WZ 120

6.78056951423786 Rate the Type 61

6.79674796747967 Rate the Jagdtiger

6.88511326860841 Rate the Leo PTA

6.90205371248025 Rate the M103

7.0128 Rate the T54E1

7.18945634266886 Rate the Object 704

7.2300163132137 Rate the T30

7.25980392156863 Rate the Waffen IV

7.6996644295302 Rate the Object 430 vII

7.72986577181208 Rate the WZ-111 1-4

7.73070607553366 Rate the AMX 30p

7.82022471910112 Rate the VK 45.02 B

7.88505747126437 Rate the STI

8.08199356913183 Rate the M46 Patton

8.10561056105611 Rate the Conqueror HT

8.20657276995305 Rate the T-10

8.31859756097561 Rate the E 75

8.61290322580645 Rate the T-54

8.6484375 Rate the E 50

8.84868421052632 Rate the Skoda T-50

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My 1s, 2s, 9s and 10s:

Skoda T 50 - 10: Give it 150 more HP and keep everything else the way it is and it's basically in the top 10 best tier 10 tanks. The 3 round drum is a legitimate alternative to the 4 round drum at tier 10, and it's only downside is HP and top speed, which is still 50. The dictionary definition of OP.

E 50 - 10: Press 2 and you have the 7th best tank at tier 10 (according to the tier 10 elimination list), minus some HP and engine power. What's not to love? Criminally underrated in the tier 9 elimination topic.

M46 - 10: Again, it requires you to press 2 and spend credits, but if you do you get the most comfortable tank in the game. Tiny turret + -10 gun dep + fantastic dispersion values + APCR shell speed = SEX.

T-10 - 9: Not played it since the buff, but trusted sources tell me how good it is. Still, -5 dep, hull armour that hurts you more than the enemy and poor dispersion stats compared to the best meds means this tank can't get a 10.

430 v.2 - 9: Similar to the T-10 really. -4 gun dep and a rear mounted turret limits a certain level of flexibility for it to be truly perfect, but it's pretty damn close.

T95 - 2: Slow turd that can't react to anything at all. At least it has frontal armour and a boomstick, but good luck using it.

Type 4 - 1: See above for the T95, but take away the armour and the boomstick. Awful.

Edited by Snoregasm2
Thanks for the spot Megrin!

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30 minutes ago, Dukkerz said:

VKB, E 75, T-54, and ST-I all criminally overrated.

STI is almost debatable, it can hold its own regardless of MM. Now should it be rated as highly? No, but I think its the best of the true Tier 9 HTs. 

I also think the T54 is WAY over-rated, and the T54E1 WAY under-rated

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To be honest I've never played the ST-I, but almost everything about it screams turd to me. Awful gun handling, the hull armour sucks, and it's pretty damn slow. Looks worse than the E75, which I gave a 4.

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