Microsoft Confirms Windows 10 New Monthly Charge

[NightmareMk9 429]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/07/14/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-new-monthly-charge/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix&yptr=yahoo#2db46c8ddfab

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That cost will be $7 per user per month but the good news is it only applies to enterprises, for now.

Why is everything turning into a monthly payment?

[OOPMan 1,266]

6 minutes ago, NightmareMk9 said:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/07/14/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-new-monthly-charge/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix&yptr=yahoo#2db46c8ddfab

Why is everything turning into a monthly payment?

I highly doubt this will be applied to non-enterprise users. It would be extremely difficult to implement and probably have a severe negative effect on adoption.

Good job Forbes, keep up the FUD!

[kreigermann 280]

For 7 bucks a month, I'd pay it, IF they removed all of the keylogging and spyware that exists in win10, I want DX12.. but I'm not keen on having everything I do wholesale recorded by microsoft.

[HighProbability 11]

54 minutes ago, NightmareMk9 said:

Why is everything turning into a monthly payment?

Revenue stability equals higher share price which means more executive bonuses.  Not kidding. This is why every company that can, will shift to subscription based sales. And yes, this will filter down to the regular consumer.

[Haswell 2,399]

58 minutes ago, NightmareMk9 said:

Why is everything turning into a monthly payment?

M$ have stated Win10 will be the last version of Windows, gotta milk it dry somehow before they break out the next money sink.

[BlackAdder 1,390]

1 hour ago, NightmareMk9 said:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2016/07/14/microsoft-confirms-windows-10-new-monthly-charge/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=partner&utm_campaign=yahootix&partner=yahootix&yptr=yahoo#2db46c8ddfab

Why is everything turning into a monthly payment?

 

Because users tend to perceive different monthly payments and full one time payments. Also more revenue is generated that way. Imagine all corporations...

One more thing that bothers me, when will Android and other freeOSes (no matter what based) push Windows into free area. (not saying that is android free, but it is for end customer). 

[OOPMan 1,266]

22 minutes ago, BlackAdder said:

Because users tend to perceive different monthly payments and full one time payments. Also more revenue is generated that way. Imagine all corporations...

One more thing that bothers me, when will Android and other freeOSes (no matter what based) push Windows into free area. (not saying that is android free, but it is for end customer). 

I'm guessing that for the end-user Windows 10 will remain largely free barring the OEM cost or initial install cost. Billing your non-enterprise customers monthly for an OS just doesn't make sense.

How do you validate it? What if there's no internet available? What if the payment bounces? 

These issues don't really exist in Enterprise environments for a number of reasons but for the consumer they are real barriers to pursuing a monthly billing approach to the OS.

 

1 hour ago, kreigermann said:

For 7 bucks a month, I'd pay it, IF they removed all of the keylogging and spyware that exists in win10, I want DX12.. but I'm not keen on having everything I do wholesale recorded by microsoft.

Do you use an Android or iOS device? If so, why are you not worried about all the tracking in those devices? Unless you really are naive enough to think Google/Apple GUD, M$ BAD? Also, everything you do is already recorded wholesale by the NSA so why are you worried about M$? They just want to sell you software, not find out if you're having illegal thoughts? Please keep the FUD to a minimum.

[kreigermann 280]

Just now, OOPMan said:

Do you use an Android or iOS device? If so, why are you not worried about all the tracking in those devices? Unless you really are naive enough to think Google/Apple GUD, M$ BAD? Also, everything you do is already recorded wholesale by the NSA so why are you worried about M$? They just want to sell your software, not find out if you're having illegal thoughts?

I realize that my reasoning is a little illogical. I do have an iPhone, and I know that everything is tracked on that.. for some reason my PC just feels more.. I don't know, personal? I use my phone to make phone calls and search for factoids, browse the forums and facebook. I keep more sensitive materials on my PC I guess(finances, personal records, purchase records, etc) I guess the difference feels like the iPhone is like the eye of sauron(well, from the movies), keeping tabs on all going on, while win10 feels more like that creepy stalker that wants to know everything you're doing.

[Driftin 168]

It will make them even more money. That monthly fee would only take 2-3 years to equal the current flat fee. Then think how many companies go way longer than that between upgrades. If a company goes maybe 5 years before upgrading, Microsoft just doubled it's money on that one company with the monthly fee.

 I can also think of a plus side for large companies. I would guess this would make upgrading to the latest versions more likely. Since the monthly fee wouldn't change, they wouldn't have to spend a large chunk at once to upgrade.

 

On a side note, can you imagine that bank transfer each month to MS? I can't even begin to imagine how many copies of windows are out there X $7=......ALOT

[Farwell 18]

24 minutes ago, Driftin said:

On a side note, can you imagine that bank transfer each month to MS? I can't even begin to imagine how many copies of windows are out there X $7=......ALOT

For my company it'd be about 182,000 a month or 2.2 million a year

[Haswell 2,399]

26 minutes ago, Driftin said:

On a side note, can you imagine that bank transfer each month to MS? I can't even begin to imagine how many copies of windows are out there X $7=......ALOT

No different than the masses paying for xbox subscriptions.

[Folterknecht 2,257]

I forsee a push towards Linux - middle/long term

[BlackAdder 1,390]

20 minutes ago, Folterknecht said:

I forsee a push towards Linux - middle/long term

Only if they support commercial apps like Adobe, Autodesk, Office (and other big apps) on Linux. But linux is here like for 30 years, and didn't make that big impact ever since. It's too fragmented and not so supported in general, and big company doesn't want hustle setting everything up and even harder maintaining. Maybe i'm wrong tho...

[Inciatus 1,124]

29 minutes ago, Farwell said:

For my company it'd be about 182,000 a month or 2.2 million a year

It would only be 14 a month for me but we're obviously a much small company but still 168 dollars a year is very annoying given that is almost the cost of Windows 10 Professional on its own.

[MacusFlash 2,270]

19 minutes ago, Folterknecht said:

I forsee a push towards Linux - middle/long term

For now Linux is not an attractive OS for regular user - too many distributions and problems with software + too few games. Without a single company developing one version of Linux there is no chance to kill or hurt the pure shit among OS called Windows. 

[Folterknecht 2,257]

19 minutes ago, MacusFlash said:

For now Linux is not an attractive OS for regular user - too many distributions and problems with software + too few games. Without a single company developing one version of Linux there is no chance to kill or hurt the pure shit among OS called Windows. 

No - for corporate use at desktops and so on.

[Assassin7 4,353]

If they do that im going back to Windows 7, thats pure bullshit. I paid for the OS, i shouldnt have to pay more to use it. Its like buying a car and having to pay the manufacturer for the right to keep it. Or buying anything and having to pay for the right to keep it. 

 

Also, as for offline stuff, i recently installed a PC that is running windows 10 into a boat for my dads company. That PC will be used only for trip logs, GPS, maintenence schedules, etc. And will be permanently offline. How you gonna get payment for that MS? Hell, it wont even be updated past what its got now, so how you even gonna install that update? 

 

 

[KenadianCSJ 666]

2 hours ago, Assassin7 said:

If they do that im going back to Windows 7, thats pure bullshit. I paid for the OS, i shouldnt have to pay more to use it. Its like buying a car and having to pay the manufacturer for the right to keep it. Or buying anything and having to pay for the right to keep it. 

 

Also, as for offline stuff, i recently installed a PC that is running windows 10 into a boat for my dads company. That PC will be used only for trip logs, GPS, maintenence schedules, etc. And will be permanently offline. How you gonna get payment for that MS? Hell, it wont even be updated past what its got now, so how you even gonna install that update? 

 

 

Yarr harr harr Assy, yarr harr harr

[Shade421 2,952]

6 hours ago, Assassin7 said:

If they do that im going back to Windows 7, thats pure bullshit. I paid for the OS, i shouldnt have to pay more to use it. Its like buying a car and having to pay the manufacturer for the right to keep it. Or buying anything and having to pay for the right to keep it. 

 

Also, as for offline stuff, i recently installed a PC that is running windows 10 into a boat for my dads company. That PC will be used only for trip logs, GPS, maintenence schedules, etc. And will be permanently offline. How you gonna get payment for that MS? Hell, it wont even be updated past what its got now, so how you even gonna install that update? 

 

 

If they have any hope of avoiding mass piracy and boycotting, it won't apply to people that purchased it for full price before that fee. If they don't do that, I'll go back to a cracked 8.1 install and never look back.

[OOPMan 1,266]

8 hours ago, kreigermann said:

I realize that my reasoning is a little illogical. I do have an iPhone, and I know that everything is tracked on that.. for some reason my PC just feels more.. I don't know, personal? I use my phone to make phone calls and search for factoids, browse the forums and facebook. I keep more sensitive materials on my PC I guess(finances, personal records, purchase records, etc) I guess the difference feels like the iPhone is like the eye of sauron(well, from the movies), keeping tabs on all going on, while win10 feels more like that creepy stalker that wants to know everything you're doing.

You're right, you're reasoning IS illogical. Please stop spreading FUD if you realise this.

7 hours ago, Folterknecht said:

I forsee a push towards Linux - middle/long term

As someone that has been using Linux since 1996, I highly doubt any number of normal people will move from Windows/OS X to Linux. Even most "Power Users" would find it too intimidating.

6 hours ago, Assassin7 said:

If they do that im going back to Windows 7, thats pure bullshit. I paid for the OS, i shouldnt have to pay more to use it. Its like buying a car and having to pay the manufacturer for the right to keep it. Or buying anything and having to pay for the right to keep it. 

Like I said, I highly doubt MS will apply this monthly pricing scheme to normal ground-level users like us. I just doesn't make much sense to do so.

I actually suspect they will do the opposite. For ground-level users they should move to a model like Apple where the OS is *always* free. Where Apple makes its money on over-priced hardware though, MS will make it's money with subscriptions for stuff like Office 365 and so on.

I don't know about you, but I'm *really* happy with Office 365. The Android versions of Word/Excel/PowerPoint/OneNote are insanely good and blow stuff like QuickOffice and related trash away. Having all the documents automatically synced with my desktop is just a super added bonus. 

7 hours ago, MacusFlash said:

For now Linux is not an attractive OS for regular user - too many distributions and problems with software + too few games. Without a single company developing one version of Linux there is no chance to kill or hurt the pure shit among OS called Windows. 

To be fair, Windows has improved a hell of a lot since Windows 95, 98 and ME.

[karl0ssus1 325]

8 hours ago, Folterknecht said:

I forsee a push towards Linux - middle/long term

Really? I dont see it so much, as long as the fee remains smaller than the coffee bill, most companies simply wont worry about it. Just more overhead to pass on to the customers. 

[Folterknecht 2,257]

There are Linux-Distributions out there that are easy enough to handle even for a noob, if you stick with browser, mail client, office suit, media player. The user doen't have to learn anything new.

 

These kind of workplaces exist and that's what I had in mind. If that start's to gain traction, it won't take long before big software companies will start offer their products also for Linux.

And I can see Google offer a distribution tailored for easy setup and managment in a corporate environment just to fuck with MS.

[BlackAdder 1,390]

9 hours ago, Assassin7 said:

If they do that im going back to Windows 7, thats pure bullshit. I paid for the OS, i shouldnt have to pay more to use it. Its like buying a car and having to pay the manufacturer for the right to keep it. Or buying anything and having to pay for the right to keep it. 

 

Also, as for offline stuff, i recently installed a PC that is running windows 10 into a boat for my dads company. That PC will be used only for trip logs, GPS, maintenence schedules, etc. And will be permanently offline. How you gonna get payment for that MS? Hell, it wont even be updated past what its got now, so how you even gonna install that update? 

 

 

 

 

Not right word, it's like you lease car. You pay and you pay some more, and finally return car to get new one. 

You need start look at windows as service instead of product.  If i find interview that new Shiva CEO  said.

3 hours ago, OOPMan said:

Where Apple makes its money on over-priced hardware though, MS will make it's money with subscriptions for stuff like Office 365 and so on.

 

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Or they can ask some money from vendors for free licences like Google does.

43 minutes ago, Folterknecht said:

There are Linux-Distributions out there that are easy enough to handle even for a noob, if you stick with browser, mail client, office suit, media player. The user doen't have to learn anything new.

 

These kind of workplaces exist and that's what I had in mind. If that start's to gain traction, it won't take long before big software companies will start offer their products also for Linux.

And I can see Google offer a distribution tailored for easy setup and managment in a corporate environment just to fuck with MS.

 

 

Yeah but when you try open some spreadsheet and you find that openoffice, libre, or whatever fuck alternative you using can't read some formulas and formatting, you go sperg  

Also linux is kernel (we all know that right) and on top of that you have xyz distros, as i said before they are pretty much fragmented and not so well supported. Also people get nightmare when they need run .sh script for example. 

 

I thought ubunt may push it with phone eco system  but for now i didn't see any phone on Ubuntu. On the other hand you have Android spreading like plague. From TV to fuckin car. 

[MacusFlash 2,270]

3 hours ago, OOPMan said:

To be fair, Windows has improved a hell of a lot since Windows 95, 98 and ME.

Of course this improvement is visible if we take a look on 15 years and more. But between versions it's almost unnoticeable. W10 looks and works like patched W7, not like a totally new OS. Working on folders is still a nightmare, no real virtual desktops, system options look like a sorry victim of explosion (they're everywhere and sometimes it's hard to find what I need), personalization is dead. 

[ninz 144]

I don't think you guys know a whole lot about enterprise licensing or what this actually is. 

 

You have pretty much two different ways to license use of a windows OS, Windows Enterprise Device license and Windows SA Per User license. Now, Microsoft has put quite a lot of effort into making customers move to Windows SA Per User licenses for all their users, it's expensive but it also simplifies a lot of integration, and is pretty much required for any cloud usage. That's a very, very simplistic explanation of it. 

Now the problem with Per User licenses in Enterprise agreements is how long they last (usually at least 2-3 years). Typically companies will have temporary workers for shorter periods of time, and until now there has been no good way of licensing these users without having a pool of licenses to take from when needed. Enter Windows 10 Enterprise E3 monthly license. 

tl:dr: This is an OPTION for Enterprise and it's GOOD!