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14 hours ago, nabucodonsor said:

The point is if i have to use the 57 mm why not use the mt-25 which is better in any possible way? Also while the gun handling is shit on the amx 12t (dont get me wrong it's a bad tank) u can pen things, even frontally, and from a safe distance. The 59 16 must get close to it's targets to pen, thus making it very weak early game, when u cant  flank that well. Also it cant pen many tanks from the side.

It also pains me that the aim time is so bad compared to the intraclip reload which reduces even more the effective dpm. 

In my opinion if one is there so should be the other.

PS: if you have good replays with the autoloader i would really like to watch them to learn how the hell you make it work.

Step 1: Play it in Strongholds.

Step 2: Don't play it in pubs.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit.

Seriously though, the 59-16 is a nimble little go cart, whereas the 12T is a lawnmower, or a golf cart at best. The full clip reload is decent, the APCR pen is sufficient in a scouting role, and the camo is amazing. In the 50 battles I have played the tank in in strongholds, I have a 70%, whereas the 36 or so I have in pubs I have 56%. And I'm not even a good player.

In pubs, you simply use your excellent camo to do some early scouting while conserving your hp and ammo, then you can absolutely rip to shreds any thin skinned tank. You should never be sniping with a 59-16, the pen drop over distance will make you far less likely to pen.

In Strongholds is where the tank really shines, as you will have little trouble penning most of the things you'll be up against in Stronks. Any medium but the Jumbo that tries to rush you is going to end up in major hurting, and if you are well positioned where your team can cover you they are dead. A light rushes you, you have more than enough clip damage to end his existence. T-150's are troublesome, I will admit, but they are the only tank in tier it is difficult for this tank to damage from any angle. Any other heavy in tier will be easily penned from the side.

All in all, don't compare the 59-16 to the 12t. Totally different tanks. Clip reload on the 59-16 is roughly 1/3 that of the 12t, and not losing too too much in clip damage either. So yes, you will bounce shots. You're a light, it happens. If you try to play it like a 12t, you're going to have a bad time. The 59-16 is different from any other tank I have played.

(Also, YMMV but I personally happen to think the MT-25 is an absolutely shit tank)

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10 hours ago, _Juris said:

 

Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart 23
M3 Lee: 17
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21 
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 22: 
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21

Black Prince 18
Challenger: 20 
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 21

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 8-3: 5 how is this even here ???

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 11 

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 21   

O-Ho: 14+1: 15  this is saying here...

Su-101: 20

Foch: 17
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 21 
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 20

 

 

 

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Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart: 23+1 I miss the miniderp :cri:
M3 Lee: 17-3 I like this tank, though I haven't played it in several thousand battles.
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21 
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 22: 
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21

Black Prince 18
Challenger: 20 
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 21

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 11 

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 21   

O-Ho: 15

Su-101: 20

Foch: 17
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 21 
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 20

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47 minutes ago, _Juris said:

 

You both should put down the crack pipe, immediately.  Is the Type 95 slow and shitty?  Yes it is - it's a tier 4 heavy.  Does it get a gun that can penetrate the ONLY TIER 4 AND TIER 5 TANKS THAT IT HAS TO FIGHT?  Yes it fucking does.  It's AP pen is nearly as good as the APCR on the M5 Stuart, which as a reminder gets to fight Tiger Is and IS-variant tanks that it basically cannot damage no matter what it does.  That means that the Type 95 can do at least one thing that the M5 Stuart cannot.  What's that?  You say the M5 Stuart has better view range?  Who cares?  (1) The vision meta is dead, so enjoy the extra 20 meters of view range (and trying to out-spot tier 7 mediums) on the few fucking maps where that even matters.  (2) It's ONLY 20 EXTRA METERS, on a tank that sees vehicles two tiers higher than the Type 95.

Profanity inserted for dramatic effect, not to be rude.  You guys aren't wrong - the Type 95 is a shitheap, but seriously, play the M5 Stuart if you haven't recently.  I had to play it again recently for... reasons... and it was for sure the worst i've touched since I was a yellow player.  It quite literally has no strengths to leverage - all it has is weaknesses and worse weaknesses that you have to hide.

Edit:  Tanks.gg link for comparison of ultimate shittiness http://tanks.gg/wot/tank/m5-stuart#compare:type-95

The m5 stuart cant outspot anything, is slow for a scout, has no armour, and has a gun that the type 95's laughs at. And the type 95 only sees tier 5. fight against mediums in a type 95 and you'll probs do your hp in damage. Try fighting anything in an m5 stuart, OH WAIT YOU CAN'T. Well at least in the stuart i can spot OH WAIT I CAN'T the vision meta is dead, and anything higher tier which is basically all this faces can outspot you, as the extra view range wrecks you slight camo advantage.

 

Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart: 24
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 22: 
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21

Black Prince 18
Challenger: 20 
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 21

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 11 

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 21   

O-Ho: 15

Su-101: 20

Foch: 17
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 21+1=22 The only gimmick is the big gun which is awkward at best. slow, huge, with armour that makes an ru251 turret look strong, once this thing has fired and missed you may as well quit the battle early, your dead anyways.
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 20
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 20-3=17 wait what how is this tank considered as bad as a type 5 heavy? it has a good gun on a good platform, and it works well with its play style. while not a great tank, it isn't bad at all.

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22 minutes ago, garryallen said:

The m5 stuart cant outspot anything, is slow for a scout, has no armour, and has a gun that the type 95's laughs at. And the type 95 only sees tier 5. fight against mediums in a type 95 and you'll probs do your hp in damage. Try fighting anything in an m5 stuart, OH WAIT YOU CAN'T. Well at least in the stuart i can spot OH WAIT I CAN'T the vision meta is dead, and anything higher tier which is basically all this faces can outspot you, as the extra view range wrecks you slight camo advantage.

I'm confused by this.  I was saying the M5 Stuart was the worst tank in the game, and there is no point arguing that anything else is.  See further upthread for context.  Were you under the impression I was saying the Type 95 was worse?

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Just now, _Juris said:

I'm confused by this.  I was saying the M5 Stuart was the worst tank in the game, and there is no point arguing that anything else is.  See further upthread for context.  Were you under the impression I was saying the Type 95 was worse?

I was agreeing loll woops i think i quoted the wrong thing without realising. 

I'm so smart.

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Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart: 25 - There was a time when I really liked this tank.  That time featured more open maps, and a full gold loadout on the mini derp.  Neither of those things exist anymore, leaving the Stuart essentially useless.
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 22: 
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21

Black Prince 18
Challenger: 20 
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 21

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 11 

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 21   

O-Ho: 15

Su-101: 20

Foch: 17
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 - Not necessarily a great tank, but considering the company...  750 alpha x3 will generally find a way to be useful.  A chance at being useful is something not shared by every vehicle on this list.

Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 17

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Maybe i shouldnt vote O-Ho everyday...

 

dont worry my sweetheart i promise i will get you out from here :>

 

Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart: 25
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 22: 
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21

Black Prince 18
Challenger: 20 - 3 = 17. After buff its actually somewhat enjoyable to play. Its still not amazing, but its workable. It has -10 depression, its fast, and while gun lacks damage and pen, accuracy and gun handling on it are INSANE, and rate of fire is blisteringly high.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 21

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 11 + 1 = 12. Why in the flying fuck this tank is about to be among first tanks to survive? Its one of the worst tier 8 mediums, and tier 8 meds are already considered pretty bad. Its one of few redeeming features, turret armor, was removed when it got HD model, leaving -10 deression and AP pen as its only advantages.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 21   

O-Ho: 15

Su-101: 20

Foch: 17
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 

Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 17

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Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart: 25
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 22: 
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21

Black Prince 18
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 21

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 21+1 = 22   Pros: Good APCR pen, good speed. Cons: everything else. This is a JPII without everything that makes it a JPII. 

O-Ho: 15 -3 = 12 GTFO 

Su-101: 20

Foch: 17
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 

Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 17

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12 hours ago, Nicarasu said:

Step 1: Play it in Strongholds.

Step 2: Don't play it in pubs.

Step 3: ???

Step 4: Profit.

Seriously though, the 59-16 is a nimble little go cart, whereas the 12T is a lawnmower, or a golf cart at best. The full clip reload is decent, the APCR pen is sufficient in a scouting role, and the camo is amazing. In the 50 battles I have played the tank in in strongholds, I have a 70%, whereas the 36 or so I have in pubs I have 56%. And I'm not even a good player.

In pubs, you simply use your excellent camo to do some early scouting while conserving your hp and ammo, then you can absolutely rip to shreds any thin skinned tank. You should never be sniping with a 59-16, the pen drop over distance will make you far less likely to pen.

In Strongholds is where the tank really shines, as you will have little trouble penning most of the things you'll be up against in Stronks. Any medium but the Jumbo that tries to rush you is going to end up in major hurting, and if you are well positioned where your team can cover you they are dead. A light rushes you, you have more than enough clip damage to end his existence. T-150's are troublesome, I will admit, but they are the only tank in tier it is difficult for this tank to damage from any angle. Any other heavy in tier will be easily penned from the side.

All in all, don't compare the 59-16 to the 12t. Totally different tanks. Clip reload on the 59-16 is roughly 1/3 that of the 12t, and not losing too too much in clip damage either. So yes, you will bounce shots. You're a light, it happens. If you try to play it like a 12t, you're going to have a bad time. The 59-16 is different from any other tank I have played.

(Also, YMMV but I personally happen to think the MT-25 is an absolutely shit tank)

U cant say that a tank is good because it can be used in SH, where anyway a t37 or a type 64 is better. It may have a niche, but at that point id rather use a t37, for more handling, or an a43 for more survivability, with still great dpm and better handling (I know I know its a medium).

The point is that outside SH, it has to face so many tanks that it cannot pen or struggles a lot to, even from the side: IS, IS-3, t29, t32, e75 ecc. Hell even a panther without proper aiming can give u problems frontally. The carry potential is very limited even when at top tier (7). And this to me makes it extrimely painful to drive. 

And while the dpm is great, the effective one is garbage. 

Apart from t37 tier 6 scouts are trash and should be on this list 

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Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart: 25
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 23 - Useless sack of xp farming
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince 18
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 21

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 12

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14 - The worst thing about this tank is the fact you have to play it for so long
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 17

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Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart: 25
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 23 - Useless sack of xp farming
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince 18 + 1 = 19 = the Churchill VII gets way too much hate (its bad, but not awefull) its bigger, crippled, brother on the other hand, howgod, thats a turd, the few things that are atleast decent on the Churchill (hp, pew pew gun, decent penetration) are no longer good / usefull on the tier 7. the churchill VII is a 6, the black prince a big fat 3...
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 21 - 3 = 18, this one is actually quite decent AND it sit on a tir where mediums are all-round bad, so that makes it not the worst (not by a long shot)

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 12

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14 - The worst thing about this tank is the fact you have to play it for so long 
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 17

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27 minutes ago, GehakteMolen said:

Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart: 26.  Everything I said above.  Seriously.  If this tank does not win, you are all hopelessly and sadly misguided.
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 23
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 19
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 18

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 12

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 14 - It's a 390-alpha gun-depression medium that's quick and isn't made entirely of ammo racks.  It's not meta, but it's not irrelevant.

 

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M5 Stuart: 26
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 23
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 19
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 18 - 3 = 15 Superior to the O-Ho in so many ways. The depression pattern isnt fucking retarded and you can actually get some depression over the front of the tank to hit something directly in front of you. The tank is slow with terrible camo and side armor but at least it isn't fucking miserable to play like the O-Ho. It's not a brilliant tank by any means but it's certainly not the worst.

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 20
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 12 + 1 = 13 By far the worst fucking eight I have ever played. The armor is generally pretty shit, the depression is all over the place making the tank fucking awkward as hell to play, the gun handling is bad (decent for a derp gun but still terrible), the tank is horribly slow and unagile, it's also fucking huge with no camo at all. It literally cannot shoot things directly in front of it on level ground. It can actually do things in tens but that assumes both your pubbies and theirs aren't fucking retarded. Once I three mark this piece of shit I will never play it again.

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 14

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M5 Stuart: 26
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 24 - I've had people tell me good things about this tank.  They are wrong.  Useful as a joke and nothing more.
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 19
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 15

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 17 - I enjoyed this far more than the T95.  While definitely slow, it's not quite as agonizing as the T95.  Armor is useful, gun does work.  And I say this after playing it in the pre-corridor meta.
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 13

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 14

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M5 Stuart: 26
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 24
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 19 + 1 = 20. WHO THE HELL TRIED TO SAVE THIS SHIT THIS EARLY? Deserves to be at 20 again.
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 15

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 17 
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 13 - 3 = 10. I can freely downvote it again now that i didnt downvote it yesterday. :doge:  O HO HO HO SHALL BE AMONG FIRST TANKS TO SURVIVE!!!!111

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 14

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M5 Stuart: 26
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 14 - 3 = 11 this tank is suprising decent, tier 6 scouts get better mm as tier 7 (and way, way better as tier 8 ) while the gun is also ok (pen / dmg / clip dmg) its not good, but its ok (i played it quite a lot of games last months, its suprising ``entertaining`` to play, its different, yet not rage inducting.
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 24
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 20
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 15

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 17 + 1 = 18, this one on the other hand, when Amx 12t turned out ok, i also played Amx-13-75, howgod, what a mongol tank, same gun means shit penetration, no longer decent alpha dmg and also underwhelming clip dmg, trow in harder mm, and this tank is a true shitlord tank. To make it worse, it sits in the same tier as T71 and Bulldog, 2 autoloader mediums which are vastly better, trow in tanks as Wz-131 and LTTB, 2 other excellent tier 7 scouts (as far s scouts can be excellent...) and the 13-75 is a real shit tank, its way worse as the same tier tanks, its shit for its mm, and its rage inducting to play. This is really one of the worst tanks of the game....
AMX M4 45: 21

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 17 
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 10

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20        

AMX 30 B: 14

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M5 Stuart: 26 + 1 = 27
Wargaming's worst mistake. I can't believe I dropped permacamo on this.

M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 11
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 24
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 20
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 15

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 20

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 18

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 22 
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 17 
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 10

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 20 - 3 = 17
750 dmg +  pretty good speed + nobody knowing wtf you are = keks    

AMX 30 B: 14

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M5 Stuart:27
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 11
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 24
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 20
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 15

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 21 I got this tank gifted to 3 mark. sold it after 5 battles or something and refunded the money instantly, holy hell this is t e r r i b l e

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 18

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 19 this tank is very fun to play, might be annoying but the DPM is just so insane that you can simply focus on whatever you can pen and farm that so fast that you actually have good games. (I have 20 games and 2,4k DPG in it, which is decent since I suck at TDs)
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 17 
T28 Prot: 20
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 10

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 17

AMX 30 B: 14

 

Now if people could stick to this format that Deus' using it makes copy pastes a lot easier since there's no need to "fix" anything else than remove whatever additional text has been added. 

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M5 Stuart:27
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 20

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 11
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II: 24 + 1 = 25 The tank is fun and silly in platoons but honestly it is fucking terrible. It is one of the least mobile tanks in the game, the armor everywhere is trash, and in order to use the DPM and gun you have to remain exposed. Also magnet for O-I, KV2, and sky cancer.
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 20
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 15

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 21

Panther:17  

AMX 13 75: 18

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 19
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 17 
T28 Prot: 20 - 3 = 17 It is a pretty miserable tank. Its slow, the armor is pretty terrible especially because the turret cheeks. It has very little HP. The turret makes it more flexible though and it gets pretty good depression that it isn't the worst tank.
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 10

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 17

AMX 30 B: 14

 

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M5 Stuart:27
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 21 - Zap said on stream he doesn't want to play this.  'Nuff said.

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 11
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II:  25 
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 20
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 15

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 21

Panther:14 - This gun is dank.  I can deal with no armor/huge chassis, but as long as gun is accurate or has good RoF, I'm chill.  One of the most accurate guns in game, I have acc down to 0.30 :minglee:   

AMX 13 75: 18

KV-3: 5

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 19
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 17 
T28 Prot: 17
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 10

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22
Object 268: 20
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 17

AMX 30 B: 14

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Since I see you've been fanboying over the Panther's gun for a couple posts now, can I ask why? You mentioned it has "insane dpm" a few posts back, but the DPM is one of the worst in class. T20/T-34-1/Panth M10 are the only tanks with worse DPM, and two of those hit like trucks while the third is a pref MM tank. It is accurate and has great pen, definitely, but it needs that because otherwise it'd have the lowest damage output of any medium.

Im not saying its the worst tank here, just that out of all the reasons to like it, the gun seems like an odd choice. The last time the Panther's gun was great was before you could buy APCR with credits, now it's a trash version of the Comet's gun, just with more pen/velocity.

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M5 Stuart:27
M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 21

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 11
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II:  25 
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 20
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 15

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 21

Panther: 14 

AMX 13 75: 18

KV-3: 5 

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 20 - 3 = 17. I didnt really like it, but it might be just because its just fucking boring to play. While its bad its still better than many tier 8 mediums. It has 3 different options to go for making it somewhat unpredictable, and it has okay mobility + depression + DPM (if you use stock turret + 88 , which is imo the best option), so its not really that terrible.

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 19
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-patton: 17
T28: 17 
T28 Prot: 17
VK4502A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 10

Su-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22

Object 268: 20 + 1 = 21. That gun arc, shell velocity, gun depression, and gun handling = :eww:
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 17

AMX 30 B: 14

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M5 Stuart: 28

This tank really is the fucking worst.

M3 Lee: 14
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
DW2: 21
Pz 38 Na: 20
Sentinel: 20

Valentine: 20
Pz III K: 20

Matilda BP: 21

Matilda IV: 20

AMX 12T: 11
Churchill VII: 21
Churchill GC: 23

TOG II:  25 
Achilles: 17
ARL V39: 21
Black Prince: 20
Challenger: 17.
Chi-Ri: 18

O-Ni: 15

Sturer Emil:18

Type 62: 21

Panther: 14 

AMX 13 75: 18

KV-3: 5 

FV201: 20

T 34/100: 17  

Tiger P: 21

SU-100M1: 17 

AMX AC 46: 21

A-44: 20

TVP VTU: 17

FV4202 P: 17

Löwe: 20

T-34-2: 20
Centurion 1: 12.

Caernarvon: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 19
Panther II: 20
Panther 8.8: 20

T95E2: 20
59-Patton: 17
T28: 17 
T28 Prot: 17
VK 4502 A: 20
AMX AC 48: 22

O-Ho: 10

SU-101: 20

Foch: 14
T95: 20
Type 4 Heavy: 20
AMX 50 120: 21

Conway: 20
FV4005: 22

Object 268: 21
Foch 155: 17 
Type 5 Heavy: 20    

Maus:  17

121: 17

VK 7201 K: 17

AMX 30 B: 11

Don't really get the hate for this tank. Sure it's boring, but it's a pretty nice mix of the Leo 1 and M48. There are worse on this list.

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