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ELIMINATION: WORST TANK IN THE GAME - Round 2

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Round 1 of elimination is over. Round 1 ended because there were so many tanks that the thread was dying out. So i ended Round 1, and every tank with 10 or less points got "saved". 18 of them had over 10 points. Now its battle between 18 ultimate shit tanks!

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If you're unfamiliar how these topics work, let me explain - I'll give you a list of choices with a number after them. From them, you increase the "best" choice by 1 and decrease the "worst" choice by 3. Each user is allowed to do this a maximum of once per day. You must explain your choices, even if very briefly. When a choice hits 0, it is eliminated. I'll keep track of in what order they were eliminated in the OP, and the end result is some form of interactive community aggregate ranking! Pretty neat. Highlight your increase with RED and your decrease with GREEN.

And this is most important note:

Upvote the "worst" tank by +1 and "save" the "best" tank from the list by giving it -3, NOT VISE VERSA!

LET THE ROUND TWO BEGIN!

 

 

Type 95
M5 Stuart
SAu-40
AMX 40
B1
Pz 38 Na
Pz III K
Matilda BP
M4 Improved
Churchill VII
TOG II

Black Prince

Type 62
AMX AC 46

Kanonenjagdpanzer
AMX AC 48
Conway
FV4005

 

Elimination order:

 

1. TOG II

2. Churchill VII

3. Conway

 

 

Im gonna start the round 2 myself, heh

Type 95: 20 
M5 Stuart: 20
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 20
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 20
M4 Improved: 20
Churchill VII: 20
TOG II: 20

Black Prince: 20 + 1 = 21. Im so looking forward to 3 mark it... yeah. It has worse firepower than ANY tier 7 medium even though tier 7 meds are considered mediocre (esp when compared to tier 7 heavies) and worst mobility of all tier 7 HTs, yet it doesnt even have the best armor or health.
Type 62: 20
AMX AC 46: 20

Kanonenjagdpanzer: 20
AMX AC 48: 20
Conway: 20 - 3 = 17. Dunno how its here, but whatever. Its significantly better than any of these. It doesnt deserve to be here.
FV4005: 20

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Type 95: 20+1=21 the most useless piece of shit to be called a heavy tank in the game, how the fuck does it only have 35mm of Armour when you got you know fucking huge box tank next with bullshit mobility coming up, with 75mm of Armour.    
M5 Stuart: 20
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 20-3 =17 Its literally one of the best armored tanks in its tier and that has to count for something, i know the gun is utter shit and the 50km speed is achieved with gravity assistance off a cliff.  
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 20
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 20
M4 Improved: 20
Churchill VII: 20
TOG II: 20

Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 20
AMX AC 46: 20

Kanonenjagdpanzer: 20 
AMX AC 48: 20
Conway: 17
FV4005: 20

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 21
Worst tank I've ever attempted to play. WG really dropped the ball on this.

SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 20
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 20
M4 Improved: 20
Churchill VII: 20
TOG II: 20

Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 20
AMX AC 46: 20

Kanonenjagdpanzer: 17
At least it makes money.

AMX AC 48: 20
Conway: 17
FV4005: 20

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 21
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 20
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 20+1=21. A truly horrible tank, even more so than the AMX 40 or Type 95. At tier IV, it is easier to exploit the ignorance of pubbies, and the DPM on the Type is actually pretty good from when I played/play it (I'm training a second heavy crew using it until I buy the O-I). The MBP is more painfully slow than any tank I've played aside from the St Emil, has a low ammo count on a gun that requires a lot of ammo, has flat and mediocre turret armor that negates the decent hull armor in practice, and the only upsides is that it has somewhat ok credit earnings, and occasionally the gun and armor can be worked with, but even a Type 95 has more carry power. 
M4 Improved: 20
Churchill VII: 20-3=17. Sheer armor factor has to count for something. 
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 20
AMX AC 46: 20

Kanonenjagdpanzer: 17
AMX AC 48: 20
Conway: 17
FV4005: 20

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 21+1=22 This tank essentially drives around and fights other tanks without a functioning gun.  VB Addict says it averages 84 DPG, which I am betting also includes stats from the pre-nerf derp gun days when it was a good tank.
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 20
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 20-3=17  I rented it, played one game and aced it with 1400 damage.  Kappa.  It feels no better or worse than a lot of other tier IV crap tanks.
Churchill VII: 17
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 20
AMX AC 46: 20

Kanonenjagdpanzer: 17
AMX AC 48: 20
Conway: 17
FV4005: 20

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M4 Improved: 20-3=17-3=14

 

I rented it, played one game and aced it with 1400 damage.  Kappa.  It feels no better or worse than a lot of other tier IV crap tanks.

It is not really a bad tank. Play it as a light/medium sneaky tank. It a weak medium but works as a flanker and rate of fire more then makes up for weak pen.  If a players wants a tank that is fun and challenging to play, rather then an OP tank that they can lazy about in, the M4 Imp is not a bad tank.

 

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56 minutes ago, Archaic_One said:


M5 Stuart: 21+1=22 This tank essentially drives around and fights other tanks without a functioning gun.  VB Addict says it averages 84 DPG, which I am betting also includes stats from the pre-nerf derp gun days when it was a good tank.
 

 

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 23 - My money is on this one for worst tank of all.  It wasn't even that good when it had the mini-derp, and you could occasionally be effective as a rich try-hard.  Now, that option does not exist.  It's a bad scout in the least effective scout tier (inaccuracy of guns alone lowers the value of low tier scouting.)  It can't really contribute with its gun, and it's soft.  A bit of straight line speed is its only asset.
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 20
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 17
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 20
AMX AC 46: 20

Kanonenjagdpanzer: 17
AMX AC 48: 17 Not good in any way, but average enough to be less terrible than other choices here.
Conway: 17
FV4005: 20

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The only times I see a Sturat be useful is when he yolos straight into the enemy arty and maybe rams one of them to death.

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1 hour ago, Deusmortis said:

Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 24 - With the removal of the mini-derp and the death of the vision meta, this tank's already questionable usefulness came to an abrupt and ignominious end.  A tank that can't even penetrate tier 5 mediums frontally and can't penetrate tier 7 heavies from any angle despite routinely having to fight both is simply useless.  It's also as tall as a fucking giraffe compared to other scouts.  Fuck this tank, and fuck WG for inflicting it on people in its current form.
SAu-40: 20
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 20
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 17
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 17 - Yeah, it's a worse WZ-131.  No, that's really not that bad a thing. The 85mm + HEAT doesn't suit the current meta as well as the 100mm + APCR, but it's far from a bad tank.
AMX AC 46: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 17
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 17
FV4005: 20

 

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3 hours ago, Deusmortis said:

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 25 yeah it was shit when it had the derp and now it doesnt, nothing else to say
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 20
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 17
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 15  The wz131 is really fucking good (best tier 7 light) so a slightly worst one is still pretty fucking good
AMX AC 46: 20

Kanonenjagdpanzer: 17
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 17
FV4005: 20

 

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 25
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 20 - 3 = 17, its actually not that ghetto, the 47mm gun has a decent punch, lol aim time, sufifcient APCR and it can move around, its not good, but compared to other tier 4 super stars like the Sau 40 and the potato tanks above it, this one is atleast playable (sort of)
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 17
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 15
AMX AC 46: 20

Kanonenjagdpanzer: 17 + 1 = 18, who upvotes this thing, its a ``decent tier 7``, stuck in tier 8, with normal mm, :kjugh:
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 17
FV4005: 20

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 25
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 17
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 17-3: is a decent tier 6 once you realize that this things armor can bounce 122 mm guns with proper angling and its 208 mm of APCR pen makes up for the piss poor AP pen
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 15
AMX AC 46: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 18
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 17
FV4005: 20+1= 21; why is this a tier X? hell whys is it even in the game?

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 25+1=26. I was going to say go to hell but this thing needs to stay alive in order to "win" I hated it when i was really bad, I hated it more when i was less bad, and I hate it even more now. 
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 17-3=14 IT CAN PEN STUFF YAAAYY.
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 14
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 15
AMX AC 46: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 18
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 17
FV4005: 21

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 26+1 =27 Guys you can totally do damage without spotting or penning thingss, just ram fullspeed into enemies! /sarc off  what a piece of ****
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 14
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 14
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 
Type 62: 15
AMX AC 46: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 18
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 17-3= 14 a worse conqueror is still decent enough to not be "the worst tank in the game"
FV4005: 21

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 27 + 1 = 28. Have fun with that pea shooter.
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 14
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 14
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 21 - 3 = 18. Of 242 tanks played, this is my #8 in damage blocked per game. And of 35 tier 7s played, it's #3 in damage dealt per game. Granted, it's a small number of battles and I'm much better now than I was when I was grinding through good tanks, but there are many tanks in the game I hate more than this one. I can't even call it a bad tank.
Type 62: 15
AMX AC 46: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 18
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 14
FV4005: 21

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Type 95: 21  
M5 Stuart: 28
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 14
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 11  It was tolerable when I played it in a tier restricted tournament.  Scant praise, but more than I can muster for other tanks left on the list.
TOG II: 20
Black Prince: 18
Type 62: 16 - I admit, I have some bias here.  I loved this tank, before the double nerf.  I hate it now, because I am keenly aware of what it once was.  I wonder if those who say "It's a slightly worse WZ" have actually played the thing.  It may be the worst of the T7 scouts, and T7 scouts are some of the most painful vehicles in the game...  Nearly the same MM as the T8 versions, without the added abilities.
AMX AC 46: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 18
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 14
FV4005: 21

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Type 95: 21 + 1 = 22. NEEDS MORE VOTES
M5 Stuart: 28
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 14
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 11  
TOG II: 20 - 3 = 17 :doge: :doge: :doge: 
Black Prince: 18
Type 62: 16
AMX AC 46: 20
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 18
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 14
FV4005: 21

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Type 95: 22
M5 Stuart: 28
AMX 40: 17 
B1: 20
Pz 38 Na: 14
Pz III K: 20
Matilda BP: 21.  
M4 Improved: 17
Churchill VII: 11  
TOG II: 17
Black Prince: 18
Type 62: 16-3=13 you can't go wrong with a decent WZ-131 premium, it only has 14mm less penetration then a fully upgraded wz-131, it trades that off for its premium status, the reason it feels bad is the current situation with light tanks in the game.  
AMX AC 46: 20+1=21 that fucking tumor strapped onto the top ruins this piece of shit, It has no soul or french sexy lines, I killed one in a stug III by sniping his crappy cupolas on live oaks from the other side of the railway line, while it was hull down.
Kanonenjagdpanzer: 18
AMX AC 48: 17
Conway: 14
FV4005: 21

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6 hours ago, Deusmortis said:

16 - I admit, I have some bias here.  I loved this tank, before the double nerf.  I hate it now, because I am keenly aware of what it once was.  I wonder if those who say "It's a slightly worse WZ" have actually played the thing.  It may be the worst of the T7 scouts, and T7 scouts are some of the most painful vehicles in the game...  Nearly the same MM as the T8 versions, without the added abilities.

Yeah, it is probably the weakest of the tier 7 scouts, I agree.  I guess I feel like they're generally a good set of vehicles, though, so being the worst of them isn't really the worst thing in the world.  And I think I would rather have the Type 62 than the 13-75.  However, I never played the Type 62 in its glory days, so I don't have the prior experience to compare against.

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1 hour ago, _Juris said:

Yeah, it is probably the weakest of the tier 7 scouts, I agree.  I guess I feel like they're generally a good set of vehicles, though, so being the worst of them isn't really the worst thing in the world.  And I think I would rather have the Type 62 than the 13-75.  However, I never played the Type 62 in its glory days, so I don't have the prior experience to compare against.

The old Type 62 and the old Chaffee were devastating murder machines... but the epitome of high ceiling vehicles.  They could camo snipe nearly as well as the old T49, before it became the T67.  And the Type 62 had, I'm almost certain, ridiculously high HEAT pen for its tier.  250 is the number in my head.  This was before the HEAT nerf, so you could freely pen the sides of tanks.  Combine this with the glory days of vision meta, and you'll know why mine has decals and gold camo.  

Maybe it's not as bad as I think.  I don't think it's quite "worst tank in the game" material, but I'm not comfortable seeing it leave the competition just yet :)

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Both of the tanks that precede the M5 Stuart on the tech tree - the tier 2 T2 light and the tier 3 M3 Stuart - average more DPG than the M5.  It is the lowest DPG tank in tier 4 by a huge margin - the 42nd worse DPG tank in tier 4 (PZ 38) does 102 DPG compared the the M5 85 DPG.  This tank gets the same MM as the Luchs . . . . let that sink in.

I want so bad to hate on the TOG more than the M5, but at least the TOG can do something in a battle.

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