First Gaming PC...halp pls (All opinions Welcome)

[Deus__Ex__Machina 989]

@Folterknecht @Assassin7 @Fulcrous

Theoretical configurations: i mostly used new-egg and amazon to find the parts

#1:

Gaming Chassis: NZXT Source 340 Mid­Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Side­Panel Window

CPU: Intel® Core™ Processor i7­6700K 4.00GHZ 8MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1151 (Skylake

CPU / Processor Cooling Fan: Asetek 550LC 120mm Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler ­ Extreme Cooling Performance (Single Standard 120MM Fan)

Motherboard: * ASUS Z170­PRO GAMING ATX w/ USB 3.1, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 1 SATA Express, 4 SATA3, 1 Ultra M.2

RAM / System Memory: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory (ADATA XPG Z1)

Video Card: GeForce® GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X (Pascal)

Power Supply: 800 Watts ­ Standard 80 Plus Certified Power Supply ­ SLI/CrossFireX Ready

M.2 SSD: 128GB Intel® SSD 600p Series PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD ­ 1800MB/s Read & 560MB/s Write (Single Drive)

Hard Drive: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA­III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)

Internal Wireless Network Card: HIRO 802.11ac Dual Band PCI­E Wireless Adapter Network Card

Operating System: Windows 10 Home (64­bit Edition)

1620-ish$

#2: 

Gaming Chassis: NZXT Source 340 Mid­Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Side­Panel Window

CPU: Intel® Core™ Processor i7­6700K 4.00GHZ 8MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1151 (Skylake

CPU / Processor Cooling Fan: Asetek 550LC 120mm Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler ­ Extreme Cooling Performance (Single Standard 120MM Fan)

Motherboard: * ASUS Z170­PRO GAMING ATX w/ USB 3.1, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 1 SATA Express, 4 SATA3, 1 Ultra M.2

RAM / System Memory: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory (ADATA XPG Z1)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce® GTX 1080 Superclocked ACX 3.0 Edition 8GB GDDR5X (Pascal)

Power Supply: 1,000 Watts ­ Standard 80 Plus Gold Power Supply

M.2 SSD: 256GB Intel® SSD 600p Series PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD ­ 1800MB/s Read & 560MB/s Write

Hard Drive: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA­III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD

Internal Wireless Network Card: 802.11b/g/n 300Mbps PCI­E Wireless Adapter Network Card

Operating System: Windows 10 Home (64­bit Edition)

1664$

[yoyoya2 528]

Also you would be surprised how much computer parts can take a beating, the only thing you really need to watch out for is pins for the cpu and other little parts

Also make sure you get a modular PSU they will make the job even easier

[Assassin7 4,353]

You dont need an i7, get an i5 6600K, you will have literally no improvements in games with the i7 over the i5. also, I've never heard of that cooling fan before. dunno if its good or not. (someone else might though)

34 minutes ago, Deus__Ex__Machina said:

@Folterknecht @Assassin7 @Fulcrous

Theoretical configurations: i mostly used new-egg and amazon to find the parts

#1:

Gaming Chassis: NZXT Source 340 Mid­Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Side­Panel Window

CPU: Intel® Core™ Processor i7­6700K 4.00GHZ 8MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1151 (Skylake

You don't need an i7, get an i5 6600K. for gaming the i7 will give you literally no benefits. 

CPU / Processor Cooling Fan: Asetek 550LC 120mm Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler ­ Extreme Cooling Performance (Single Standard 120MM Fan)

never heard of that cooler, someone else might have, but I dunno if its good or not. 

Motherboard: * ASUS Z170­PRO GAMING ATX w/ USB 3.1, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 1 SATA Express, 4 SATA3, 1 Ultra M.2

RAM / System Memory: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory (ADATA XPG Z1)

You could afford 16GB with this budget - also there is almost no noticeable difference between RAM speeds so getting 3000MHz is a waste of money, 16GB of 2133/2400MHz is way better

Video Card: GeForce® GTX 1080 8GB GDDR5X (Pascal)

Power Supply: 800 Watts ­ Standard 80 Plus Certified Power Supply ­ SLI/CrossFireX Ready

800W is WAAAY overkill for a single GPU system. 600W should be enough. also make sure its from a good brand - Seasonic or EVGA (or corsair?) and get a modular one since they are WAY better to manage cables with

M.2 SSD: 128GB Intel® SSD 600p Series PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD ­ 1800MB/s Read & 560MB/s Write (Single Drive)

If you can, get a Samsung SSD. (850 EVO) they are WAY BETTER than pretty much every other brand in performance and quality. you could also easily fit a 250GB-500GB one in there, 128GB is too small if you want games on it as well. 

Hard Drive: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA­III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Drive)

Internal Wireless Network Card: HIRO 802.11ac Dual Band PCI­E Wireless Adapter Network Card

Operating System: Windows 10 Home (64­bit Edition)

1620-ish$

#2: 

Gaming Chassis: NZXT Source 340 Mid­Tower Gaming Case w/ USB 3.0, Side­Panel Window

CPU: Intel® Core™ Processor i7­6700K 4.00GHZ 8MB Intel Smart Cache LGA1151 (Skylake

CPU / Processor Cooling Fan: Asetek 550LC 120mm Liquid Cooling CPU Cooler ­ Extreme Cooling Performance (Single Standard 120MM Fan)

Motherboard: * ASUS Z170­PRO GAMING ATX w/ USB 3.1, 3 PCIe x16, 3 PCIe x1, 1 SATA Express, 4 SATA3, 1 Ultra M.2

RAM / System Memory: 8GB (4GBx2) DDR4/3000MHz Dual Channel Memory (ADATA XPG Z1)

Video Card: EVGA GeForce® GTX 1080 Superclocked ACX 3.0 Edition 8GB GDDR5X (Pascal)

Power Supply: 1,000 Watts ­ Standard 80 Plus Gold Power Supply

M.2 SSD: 256GB Intel® SSD 600p Series PCIe NVMe M.2 SSD ­ 1800MB/s Read & 560MB/s Write

Hard Drive: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA­III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD

Internal Wireless Network Card: 802.11b/g/n 300Mbps PCI­E Wireless Adapter Network Card

Operating System: Windows 10 Home (64­bit Edition)

1664$

basically look at the build I linked you. its probably the best

[Deus__Ex__Machina 989]

10 minutes ago, Assassin7 said:

You dont need an i7, get an i5 6600K, you will have literally no improvements in games with the i7 over the i5. also, I've never heard of that cooling fan before. dunno if its good or not. (someone else might though)

basically look at the build I linked you. its probably the best

im mostly just trying to consider all my options because not only will this be my First gaming PC, but it will also be my Only gaming PC for the next 5-6 years at least (not counting upgrades) 

 

[Tigeh 84]

Btw to factor into your decisions about wifi cards: http://www.pcgamer.com/motherboards-with-killer-network-adapters-arent-worth-your-money/

[Kitten 1,388]

Give me two days throw together a pcpartpicker for you Deus, flying in the morning tomorrow. One thing to note is that m.2 ssds are nicer, you won't actually be able to make use of the extra transfer speed. Better to get a SATA connection ssd in a desktop, they're cheaper. I disagree with Assassin that Intel ssds are bad, they're the king of reliability with good speeds. But realistically 850 Evo will last you forever and is faster. You won't need more than 650w for your PSU. If you're planning on getting a 27" 1440p monitor the 1080 is fine; if you're planning on 1080p gaming just get a 1070 and save money. 4K is still a waste of time and money at the moment (give it a few more years). While the i7 does make a small difference, it isn't particularly noticeable so you're again better off saving money and getting an i5.

ps get a TP link pcie wifi card at least, they're cheap and reliable, much better than internal mobo networking adapters. 

[Deus__Ex__Machina 989]

3 minutes ago, Tigeh said:

Btw to factor into your decisions about wifi cards: http://www.pcgamer.com/motherboards-with-killer-network-adapters-arent-worth-your-money/

interesting, but im not going for some super advanced/over priced wifi card. just something that works TBH

Just now, Kitten said:

Give me two days throw together a pcpartpicker for you Deus, flying in the morning tomorrow. One thing to note is that m.2 ssds are nicer, you won't actually be able to make use of the extra transfer speed. Better to get a SATA connection ssd in a desktop, they're cheaper. I disagree with Assassin that Intel ssds are bad, they're the king of reliability with good speeds. But realistically 850 Evo will last you forever and is faster. You won't need more than 650w for your PSU. If you're planning on getting a 27" 1440p monitor the 1080 is fine; if you're planning on 1080p gaming just get a 1070 and save money. 4K is still a waste of time and money at the moment (give it a few more years). While the i7 does make a small difference, it isn't particularly noticeable so you're again better off saving money and getting an i5.

ps get a TP link pcie wifi card at least, they're cheap and reliable, much better than internal mobo networking adapters. 

ok np, i probably wont actually buy anything for another week, so i have plenty time to make a final decision.

[Assassin7 4,353]

@Kitten i wasnt saying intel is bad, just samsung is better.

[Fulcrous 2,073]

First and foremost, unless you care about streaming + video editting, you won't need the 6700k.
PSU's are unnecessarily large imo.
3000Mhz ram is completely unnecessary. 2x4GB is also not optimal when you can just get 1x8GB stick and it gives you an opportunity to upgrade.

I agree with assassin.

[Tigeh 84]

The cooling fan isn't great - go Noctua or Coolermaster. For gaming, the i7 is slower in some cases than the i5 and rarely faster, as others have said it's a waste of money. Same goes with the RAM - unless you overclock it won't do anything different and if you do, you'll likely improve speeds about 1% just for that subsystem over a slower RAM stick OC'ed. Go 2x8 for the price, 1x8 is better than 2x4 though. Samsung is better - the 850 series are wonderful.

[Sgt. Pepper 55]

I can recommend this website that I like

http://www.logicalincrements.com/ A website that is a compilation of builds that can be upgraded as seen fit

 

[Spartan96 1,026]

powerline adapters are good for when you don't want to string a ethernet cable all through your house.

[TouchFluffyTail 596]

1 hour ago, Kitten said:

if you're planning on 1080p gaming just get a 1070 and save money.

Should be able to go with a 480 or 1060 for 1080p.

[Folterknecht 2,257]

As I said before - wait til january.

 

Here is a base system for 830$ - to that you 'd only have to add a GPU

https://pcpartpicker.com/user/F0lterknecht/saved/xm68dC

 

• if you stay with 1080p -> +240$ for a RX480
• if you upgrade to 27" 1440p -> + 400$ for a 1070 or 650$ for a 1080

 

[aaveq 899]

9 hours ago, Fulcrous said:

3000Mhz ram is completely unnecessary. 2x4GB is also not optimal when you can just get 1x8GB stick and it gives you an opportunity to upgrade.

 

thats the most retarded thing in this thread,

recommending single channel over dual

grab some pics.

 

 

[BlackAdder 1,390]

Are you eager to buy PC now or you can wait possibly Jan 17 for KabyLake? 

[Fulcrous 2,073]

2 hours ago, aaveq said:

thats the most retarded thing in this thread,

recommending single channel over dual

grab some pics.

Not when you are planning to get more ram down the line. And considering a rig like that, it is far more efficient to get 1x8gb and get a second 1x8gb stick regardless of dual channel with 2x4gb sticks. Hence why I say it is optimal - if he plans to upgrade RAM. If he doesnt plan on upgrading it anytime in the future then 2x4 is fine.

[Folterknecht 2,257]

Ok - I'm out of here, hf.

[Super_Rybak 40]

4 hours ago, aaveq said:

thats the most retarded thing in this thread,

recommending single channel over dual

Puh, I thought my comment about Mac was  

[Deus__Ex__Machina 989]

1 hour ago, Folterknecht said:

Ok - I'm out of here, hf.

before you go i wanted to ask if you could give me more info on the AMD Zen thing, as i said before i am in no rush to but this pc..i can wait. After all this will be my only gaming PC for the next 5 years at least. if these AMD CPU's are indeed worth the wait then ill wait. oh and to clearly answer an earlier question you asked i am going for 1080p for now because buying a 1440p 144hz monitor will make my budget go a bit higher than i would like ATM, perhaps in the future i can invest in a new monitor but for now ill stick to 1080p.

[Devo 50]

Not sure where you are in NY, but if you are near a Microcenter, you can pick out any parts you want and have them assemble your rig for you.  I did that once when I wanted some really nice gear, but wanted someone to blame if it got screwed up. I had a rep stay with me for an hour or so as we went through the store picking out components.  They also sell lots of mainstream/name brand units.  So if you want to have a custom unit made, you can compare it against a namebrand unit.  The build usually take a few days fro them to do, depending on the time of year, ie. just after Xmas is usually busy and slower. 

I realize I have mentioned Microcenter in other computer threads before, but I do so because they cater to TVs and computers.  Also, every person that I have spoken with there is a nerd that really likes computers and TVs and video games.  I have had much better experiences there than I have had a big box stores.

Edited November 28, 2016 by Devo
Clarification

[capt-jay 405]

I am almost in the exact same boat as Deus, budget, desires, length of life of PC (5+ years)...watching and waiting, as this new processor with supposed 8 physical cores is intriguing 

[Folterknecht 2,257]

14 minutes ago, capt-jay said:

I am almost in the exact same boat as Deus, budget, desires, length of life of PC (5+ years)...watching and waiting, as this new processor with supposed 8 physical cores is intriguing 

Open a seperate thread - otherwise it get's confusing. A car mechanic working on different cars also keeps the parts seperat ... .

In your opening post list your wishes/requirements and the hardware you already have, especially monitor resolution + size you already have or plan to buy. Also describe your usecase ... .