Elimination: Tier 8 Premiums - Patriot's Providence (COMPLETE)

[leggasiini 1,567]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 14
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 39

LÖWE: 39
T26E5 (Patriot): 36
Skorpion G: 20

STA-2 14
M46 KR: 20

112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz:  8
T26E4: 7

Type 59: 4

 

Should be real points.

[TheSovereign 229]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 14
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 39 - 3 = 36 No idea how this thing has more points than the Patriot or Skorpion. Between the angled bits on the front corners and the turret hatch I never really have had any problem penning it.

LÖWE: 39
T26E5 (Patriot): 36 + 1 = 37 Pure Murican glory. Fast, great gun, better turret, and hull can troll shots. It really doesn't have any downsides to me.
Skorpion G: 20

STA-2 14
M46 KR: 20

112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz:  8
T26E4: 7

Type 59: 4

[Cardinal_LZ 16]

On 2/22/2017 at 10:22 PM, SkittlesOfSteeI said:

Except no one's played it so why bother?

Try it then, it's in the shop. or maybe play ur friend's account .

 

On 2/22/2017 at 10:35 PM, Rexxie said:

Cardinal, the 252 isnt going up, upvote something else or we'll have to ignore your downvote.

umm, I just thought it will be better if we can delay this vote a couple days. Object 252 obviously has a shot for the top of all tier 8 premiums, and it is already in the store. Excluding it from the list just because the topic was created before 252 was released to the public isn't gonna benefit future readers. 

[Rexxie 10,788]

Neither is adding a new tank 75% of the way through the voting process. It's something that very few people here own, those that do have played like a dozen games in, and the rest of us have virtually no experience fighting. It makes no sense whatsoever to add the 252U in.

[Dangalang_time 27]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 14
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 

LÖWE: 39
T26E5 (Patriot): 37
Skorpion G: 20

STA-2 14
M46 KR: 20 +1 =21 what is there to say, its the credit printing clone of a very strong T8.

112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz:  8
T26E4: 7 - 3 =4  Too slow and easily outplayed, meh penetration (like IS-6 ) even with pref MM its feeling powercreeped.

Type 59: 4

 

sorry phone doesn't let me (or I dont know how to on it )bold or italicize text.

[Griphos 81]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 14
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 

LÖWE: 39
T26E5 (Patriot): 37
Skorpion G: 20

STA-2 14-3=11  If I have to pick one to downvote, I'll pick the one that serves a line I have no interest in playing.
M46 KR: 21

112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz:  8
T26E4: 4+1=5  Penetration has been buffed, and it's still one of my favorite T8 premiums.

Type 59: 4

[Errants 425]

 

M4A1 Revalorisé: 14
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 
Lowe: 39
T26E5 (Patriot): 37
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 21
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 8
T26E4: 5 + 1 = 6  One of the most comfortable Pref's.  10/10, would up vote again.
Type 59: 4 - 3 = 1  While still solid, it isn't available anymore, so should be relegated to rare status, and off of these lists.  (Not bitter, I swear)

[Fulvin 340]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 14
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 
Lowe: 39
T26E5 (Patriot): 37+1=38 strongest of the murican t8s and makes money
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 21
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 8-3=5 typical shitter t8 med needs to go, STA-2 is next
T26E4: 6
Type 59: 1

[Stige 103]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 14
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 
Lowe: 39
T26E5 (Patriot): 38
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 21
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 5 - 3 = 2 wtf is this still doing here.
T26E4: 6
Type 59: 1 + 1 = 2 please don't go!

[kolni 69,670,872]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 11 - not good enough for current tier 8, while the gun is an absolute joy to use everything else about the tank pretty much negates it, and a bit more
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 
Löwe: 39
T26E5 (Patriot): 38
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 21
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 2
T26E4: 6
Type 59: 3 - im gonna keep voting for this until it's out, nothing on the list wins as much

  

[leggasiini 1,567]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 11 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 
Löwe: 39 + 1 = 40.      
T26E5 (Patriot): 38
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 21 - 3 = 18. Its way tooooooo high, its still a 240 alpha med
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 2
T26E4: 6
Type 59: 3

[_Juris 216]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 11 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 
Löwe: 41 - Best carry potential and combination of characteristics of the heavies that are left.  It's reliable in every way that matters - gun and armor.
T26E5 (Patriot): 38
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 18
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 2
T26E4: 6
Type 59: 0 - A tank that you can't get is useless.  Bye.

[Vormehk 0]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 11 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 
Löwe: 42 (41+1) I've enjoyed this tank ever since the original release of it.
T26E5 (Patriot): 38
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 18
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 2
T26E4: 3 (6 - 3) = I get trolled by this tank so often it isn't even funny. 9 times out of 10, I will bounce going for the weakpoints from greater than 100 meters away. 9 out of 10 times, I will be penetrated when playing mine.

I almost want to downvote the patriot because of my extremely good three battles with it. I have 100% win rate, and over 2800 DPG and I don't want to mess that up so I don't play it.

[kolni 69,670,872]

-________-

 

"you can't get it, therefore it's bad"

 

how many times must i repeat myself, you can't have a ranking where people vote differently because they consider availability and credit income instead of the actual performance of the tank

credit income and the fact that you don't have one doesn't automatically make the tank bad 

 

if you don't compare all tanks under the same conditions then what is the point of this? it only shows what bias is meta

[Vormehk 0]

I would agree that it is a bit unfair to judge a tank you don't have and play, because it doesn't really qualify you to actually make a decision about it's potential, unless you often face the tank and know reasonably how it competes compared to you on average.

[moogleslam 1]

20 minutes ago, Kolni said:

you can't have a ranking where people vote differently because they consider availability and credit income instead of the actual performance of the tank

credit income and the fact that you don't have one doesn't automatically make the tank bad 

if you don't compare all tanks under the same conditions then what is the point of this? it only shows what bias is meta

I'd have to agree with this.  I feel the criteria should be soley based on the tank's ability and not at all on credit production or availability.  I would still factor in preferential MM though, as that is tied to it's ability (not having to face Tier X).

[_Juris 216]

41 minutes ago, moogleslam said:

I'd have to agree with this.  I feel the criteria should be soley based on the tank's ability and not at all on credit production or availability.  I would still factor in preferential MM though, as that is tied to it's ability (not having to face Tier X).

 

1 hour ago, Kolni said:

-________-

"you can't get it, therefore it's bad"

how many times must i repeat myself, you can't have a ranking where people vote differently because they consider availability and credit income instead of the actual performance of the tank

credit income and the fact that you don't have one doesn't automatically make the tank bad 

if you don't compare all tanks under the same conditions then what is the point of this? it only shows what bias is meta

A rating where all you consider is the "performance" is uninteresting, because that information is already available - if that's what you want, just go look up the vbaddict winrates for all the tanks you're considering, and buy the one with the highest winrate.  My internal metric for this threads is something like "assuming you have a crew available that you want a vehicle to train, want to make reasonable credits (because they're all premiums, so why bother unless you can make money), and want to be able to have a good relative effect on the battles you're in, which tank is the best?"  

If we don't want to consider availability at all, then this thread should have included stuff like the Mutant 6, the KV-4 Kreslavsky, and all the other super-rare tier 8s that most people don't have for whatever reason.  I stand by my vote, although if @Rexxie requests, I will remove the downvote for the Type 59.  Unless this thread is only going to be used by people who have played the game for 4+ years, what's the use of considering the Type 59?  It basically is unavailable to anyone newer than that in the game.  Even if you want to try to win one in a tournament, you'll need a group of purples and you'll need to beat several other groups of purples to get it.  That's not just "you don't have one," that's "it's effectively impossible to get one."

And I didn't say it was bad - you'll note that I downvoted MANY other tanks before the Type 59.  However, at this point, it's being compared to a bunch of tanks that are all pretty strong, and you can actually buy either on a continuous basis, or relatively frequently, either for real money or for in-game gold.  When was the last time the Type 59 was available that way?  It LONG predates a large number of people, even on this forum.

[lavawing 498]

49 minutes ago, moogleslam said:

I'd have to agree with this.  I feel the criteria should be soley based on the tank's ability and not at all on credit production or availability.  I would still factor in preferential MM though, as that is tied to it's ability (not having to face Tier X).

Credit income shd still be relevant though, since earning potential is at least one of the reasons you play Tier 8 Premiums. The result of not factoring credits in an analysis of Tier 8 premiums is that it'd effectively become a showdown between every single tank loading full HEAT/APCR with food equipped. Then of course I'd be surprised if something with pref MM, with decent gold rounds, like the 112 wouldn't win. 

[GehakteMolen 2,063]

This rating is

112 and type 59 are by far the best spmm tanks, they both shit on the IS6, who shits on anything else, yet SP is still not outvoted (i have 70% winrate in a SP, NO, its not good), Jt-88 outvoted before Kanonentard is also a bit lol.

spmm vs normal prems is a bit harder, but the mm advantage of the type is worth more as the extra power of the other meds so: Type 59 > all tier 8 meds, 112 has with the Lowe, Patriot and the M49 liberte thougher competition, but still...

Type / 112 >/ Lowe, Liberte, Patriot, Defender would be #1 i guess, since Defender = IS3 and IS3 > everything else on tier 8

M4A1 Revalorisé: 11 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 36 + 3 = 39, strong armor, decent gun and mobility, this thing is rly good in clubbing noobs + it looks sexy, cant wait the tech tree versions of these tanks
Löwe: 42
T26E5 (Patriot): 38
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 18
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 2
T26E4: 3 - 3 = 0, overrated, heavy tank mobility and no alpha dmg is just bad, even with 270 pen (which is not that amazing (lowe, KV4, KT and a bunch of other slowpoke tier 8 tanks)

[graukatze 225]

It's +1, not +3 for upvotes ;-)

[Griphos 81]

I'm just sad the Spersh left before the Mutz.  The Spersh is just clearly better.  

[Felicius 170]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 11 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté):37
Löwe: 42
T26E5 (Patriot): 39
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 18
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 2

Current list. I have added +1 on Patriot because everybody just skipped out my last vote (and my neg on Superpershing is irrelevant now).
 

 

My vote for today:

M4A1 Revalorisé: 11 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté):37
Löwe: 42
T26E5 (Patriot): 39+1=40 because this is the only tank left that can do all, do heavy stuff, or go with meds, spot, track, do dmg, yolo, frontline, Himmels hill or tank alley, take your pick. This is gonna be a showdown between Löwe, Patriot, and AMX - a testimony of power creep. 
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 18
112:  23
Pz. 58 Mutz: 2-3=0. time to go. Tier 8 meds have no place in this meta, and only ones (416 and Pershing to some point) that are any good, are not premiums. Patton KR may get leeway to some extent, and will survive the longest, since STA will drop out soon.

P.S. 252U is clearly the best.

I wonder if rexxie does this eliminations intentionally a week too early. last time, with tier 10, it was a week or two before they have added the Grille. Poor basterd, nerfed into oblivion before we could rank him (or tasted the Jap derps).

 

For all to vote, copy-paste this one:

M4A1 Revalorisé: 11 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté):37
Löwe: 42
T26E5 (Patriot): 40
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 18
112:  23

[Vormehk 0]

I agree with Rexxie's reasoning of the tank simply not having enough playtime available to it yet to have a solid reputation one way or the other.

[TheMarine0341 4,972]

Even if the 252U was included, the Patriot and Liberte' are still better, Lowe is on par.

 

[SkittlesOfSteeI 1,680]

M4A1 Revalorisé: 11 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté):37
Löwe: 42
T26E5 (Patriot): 40
Skorpion G: 20
STA-2: 11
M46 KR: 15 it has the most points
112:  24 Played this on a friends account and it's pretty meme/10