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Elimination: Tier 8 Premiums - Patriot's Providence (COMPLETE)

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Sorry, guys, can't figure out on my work computer how to remove the colors from the previous poster. I can't do bold and italics, either!:disco:

 

Type 59 - 21 
WZ-111 - 18
112 - 21 
T-34-3 - 18  
59-Patton - 11 

FCM 50 t - 24
M4A1 Rev. - 23 
AMX M4 49 (Liberte)  - 20
leKpz M41 90mm -  21

Skorpion G - 22+1
Panther 88 - 20
Lowe -29
Pz. 58 Mutz - 20
STA-2 - 23

FV4202 (P) - 11-3=8 Hasn't gone down yet only because it is so bad that it flies under the radar. At least people play the CDC and know that it is bad.
T26E4 - 18+1=19 Don't let this go down prematurely. Pref matchmaking. Armor still trolls auto-aiming pubbies, who can be facehugged to death. Even has weirdly good camo if you are forced to play at range. Gun is better than advertised.
T34 - 17
M46 KR - 21
T26E5 (Patriot) - 23 

T-54 Mod. 11
IS-6 -  15 
KV-5 - 20
T-44-100 - 21

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Despite the Jt88 being eliminated first, it WILL remain in the "Can be fun?" Category. Pref MM, LOL ROF, and can hull-down effectively enough, just not for everyone.

Really need to rename that to "Can be Meme?"

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The JT's my highest average xp tank when i had a 20 game trundle in the rental. It's not advanced gameplay but you just roll up to a chokepoint and hide your lower plate (upper if against tier 9s) and melt cunts. You can be heated to death but you'll do 2k damage by then anyway. Its not perfect its not that fucking bad.

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Type 59 - 21 
WZ-111 - 18
112 - 21 
T-34-3 - 18  
59-Patton - 11 

FCM 50 t - 24
M4A1 Rev. - 23 
AMX M4 49 (Liberte)  - 20
leKpz M41 90mm -  21

Skorpion G - 22+1
Panther 88 - 20
Lowe -29
Pz. 58 Mutz - 20
STA-2 - 23

FV4202 (P) - 8
T26E4 - 19 
M46 KR - 21

T26E5 (Patriot) - 23 + 1 = 24:  If the buffs to the Lowe had not happened, this would have easily been the king of the tier 8 premiums.  Depending on which way you choose to look at it, it's either a Pershing on steroids, or a T32 that trades the invulnerable turret (although it's still plenty bouncy) in exchange for a massive increase in base penetration that is well worth the small alpha loss (if you were using the 105mm), or just a straight upgrade (if you were using the 90mm) and significantly better mobility.  Makes tons of credits, is never irrelevant (although, unlike the Lowe, it can struggle against the tier 10 superheavies).
T-54 Mod. 11 - 3 = 8:  The IS-6 of tier 8 regular MM mediums.  I debated selecting this or the FV4202, but the 4202 has a better gun in every way (except a slight alpha loss), is less sluggish moving around, doesn't get the same view range as Ray Charles, and at least has gun depression so it's less annoying to play while being shit on by every other tank in this tier.  Like the IS-6, about the only thing this tank has going for it is random bounces from pubbies who are too dumb to either (1) not use auto-aim or (2) not just load premium ammo and face-fuck you into oblivion, after which they make annoying posts on the official forums about owning some noob guy in a top 20 clan in his OP Russian premium tank.
IS-6 -  15 
KV-5 - 20
T-44-100 - 21

Regarding the JT88 getting bounced before the Canoe-panzer, basically, what Fulcrous said - it's enormous, slow, and an obvious target.

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Type 59 - 21 
WZ-111 - 18
112 - 21 
T-34-3 - 18  
59-Patton - 11 
FCM 50 t - 24
M4A1 Rev. - 23 
AMX M4 49 (Liberte)  - 21: Recently picked this up. Frontally, its just as strong as the buffed Lowe, but with better DPM which is noticeable. Gun to head, I pick this really over the Lowe, but its a 0.0000000000001 difference. frontally, not losing your engine all the time is a bonus
leKpz M41 90mm -  21
Skorpion G - 23
Panther 88 - 20
Lowe -29
Pz. 58 Mutz - 20
STA-2 - 23
FV4202 (P) - 8
T26E4 - 19 
M46 KR - 21
T26E5 (Patriot) -24: 
T-54 Mod. 5: - When thinking about the tank on here I'd least rather be in, this is it. Bad handling, bad MM, bad premium rounds cannot make up for a great platform. But, its exceptionally close to being better than the FCM at least... Cause, FUCK that tank. Id rather be in all other tanks except this and the Kononenpanzer over a fucking FCM
IS-6 -  15 
KV-5 - 20
T-44-100 - 21

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50 minutes ago, Luna said:

CDC also has one of the worst terrain resist values in the game making most of that HP worthless. I've never played the 4202, but I'm reasonably confident that the gun handling on it is nowhere near as bad as the CDC. It's just a fast tank with depression, but overall it's still pretty bad.

I have played both tanks. Both tanks aren´t surely the best but...

Both have EXACTLY as bad gun handling. Base accuracy CDC 0.33, FV4202 0.32. Dispersion values on the move, traverse and turret traverse are exactly the same (horrible, especially 0.16 turret traverse screws these both over so much) in both tanks.

FV4202 is slow, 40km/h max and that 510hp engine makes it pretty shit in the acceleration and climbing department. FV4202 power to weight is abysmal 12.34 as CDC has 35.6 (!).

As I recall, new physics made terrain resistance values less important and engine power to weight more important. Just look at the difference E50 and E50M has in concrete mobility i.e. climbing and acceleration.

CDC even have better component health than FV4202. Both lose ammoracks left and right if penetrated and FV4202 isn´t really known for it´s armor either.

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Type 59 - 21 
WZ-111 - 18
112 - 21 
T-34-3 - 18  
59-Patton - 11 
FCM 50 t - 24
M4A1 Rev. - 23 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté) - 21
leKpz M41 90mm -  21
Skorpion G - 23
Panther 88 - 20
Löwe - 29
Pz. 58 Mutz - 20
STA-2 - 23
FV4202 (P) - 8
T26E4 - 19 
M46 KR - 21
T26E5 (Patriot) - 24+1 = 25: The turret is frontally bouncier than I expected it to be. A lot of tanks can be facehugged. The profit margins are great. And having a 6 second reload on a heavy that's this good at keeping its gun in the game is just really fun. I've been having a blast. 
T-54 Mod. 1 - 5
IS-6 - 15-3 = 12: This was tough. None of the remaining tanks that I've actually played are terrible. But between this and the FCM, I might place the IS-6 lower just because of the armor creep vs. 217 pen on a relatively slow tank. I still play it, and the armor is still troll, but it's liable to load into matches where the gun is a huge disappointment. 
KV-5 - 20
T-44-100 - 21

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Type 59 - 21 
WZ-111 - 18
112 - 21 
T-34-3 - 18  
59-Patton - 11 
FCM 50 t - 24
M4A1 Rev. - 23 

AMX M4 49 (Liberte)  - 21
leKpz M41 90mm -  21
Skorpion G - 23
Panther 88 - 20
Lowe -29
Pz. 58 Mutz - 20

STA-2 – 23 +1 = 24 STA-2 is a clone of my favorite tier 8, the STA-1. Shell velocity takes a little getting used to but still great pen/mobility/depression.
FV4202 (P) - 8
T26E4 - 19 
M46 KR - 21
T26E5 (Patriot) - 25 

T-54 Mod. 1 – 5 – 3 = 2 Lackluster pen in tank that sees tier 10 is painful to play.

IS-6 - 12
KV-5 - 20
T-44-100 - 21

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8 minutes ago, Kolni said:

:babyrage: Mod1 is good you all just suck :babyrage: 

TBH, the first 10 or so eliminated are really just tanks w/ a lot of bias one way or the other, the exception being the KPanzer. God that thing is garbage

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19 minutes ago, Megumin said:

T-44-100 is still alive while the mod1 is getting downvote to hell:serb:

From what Ive seen (never played) it has better gun handling w/ the same turret plus VR and speed.

 

I think Id rather play in it as well when dealing w/ tier 10s over a T54P (which should honestly be a pref MM)

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Type 59 - 21 
WZ-111 - 18
112 - 21+1=22   I have waited for this tank a really long time and when I bought it, I was not disappointed. I play this tank everytime, when I want to just chill and enjoy the game. Great armor. great mobility, only the gun can be shit sometimes.

T-34-3 - 18-3=15  I have stopped playing this tank after I got the 112, which is in my opinion better in every way.   
59-Patton - 11 
FCM 50 t - 24
M4A1 Rev. - 23 
AMX M4 49 (Liberté) - 21
leKpz M41 90mm -  21
Skorpion G - 23
Panther 88 - 20
Löwe - 29
Pz. 58 Mutz - 20
STA-2 - 24
FV4202 (P) - 8
T26E4 - 19 
M46 KR - 21
T26E5 (Patriot) - 25
T-54 Mod. 1 - 2
IS-6 - 12
KV-5 - 20
T-44-100 - 21

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Type 59: 21
WZ-111: 18
112: 22
T-34-3: 15

59-Patton: 11
FCM 50 t: 24
M4A1 Rev.: 23
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 21
leKpz M41 90mm:  21
Skorpion G: 23
Panther 88: 20
Löwe: 29
Pz. 58 Mutz (Black): 20
STA-2: 24
FV4202 (P): 8
T26E4: 19
M46 KR: 21
T26E5 (Patriot): 25
T-54 Mod. 1: 2 - 3 =  -1  See ya.  Owning both the Mod 1 and the 44-100, and having ground through the 44...  There's no reason for this tank.  I'd rather drive the tech tree T-44 over this, and the 44-100 has every benefit of credits and crew training, while being better as well.
IS-6 (Black): 12
KV-5: 20
T-44-100: 21 + 1 = 22  Give me a T-44, with slight anti-HEAT side armor, increased credits, and taking any Soviet Medium crew I throw in it?  Yes, please.

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1 minute ago, TheMarine0341 said:

Thats coming, no worries, just a matter of getting a good screenshot now

http://tanks.gg/wot/tank/lwe#tab:model

visual and take max elevation

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1 hour ago, TheMarine0341 said:

From what Ive seen (never played) it has better gun handling w/ the same turret plus VR and speed.

 

I think Id rather play in it as well when dealing w/ tier 10s over a T54P (which should honestly be a pref MM)

It is true that t-44-100 is basically better on every aspects except for armor(the mod1's turret is slightly better- 180eff compare to the 120eff on t-44-100) . But IMO the biggest issues t-44-100 has is the same as the t54mod1 has- the penetration. That's why I'm surprised t-44-100 even got 1 points up. (or mod1's reputation is so bad since it released?):serb:

 

Mod1 with Pref MM is going to be the Russian type-59.(worse turret armor, top speed and gun depression but better on everything else) :kappa:

 

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2 minutes ago, Megumin said:

It is true that t-44-100 is basically better on every aspects except for armor(the mod1's turret is slightly better- 180eff compare to the 120eff on t-44-100) . But IMO the biggest issues t-44-100 has is the same as the t54mod1 has- the penetration. That's why I'm surprised t-44-100 even got 1 points up. (or mod1's reputation is so bad since it released?):serb:

 

Mod1 with Pref MM is going to be the Russian type-59.(worse turret armor, top speed and gun depression but better on everything else) :kappa:

 

Someone +1'ed it because its their current favorite. It'll be harshly correct soon once the real shit it out of the way

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Type 59: 21 - 3 = 18: Call me a hipster, but of all the pref tanks I currently own I find the Type 59 to routinely be the most frustrating one to play thanks to its horrendous gun performance and long aim time.  Sure I've owned it since it was new, but time has not been generous to this tank.  If you run into any of the new $$ tanks, forget it.  It gets bullied by any tier 8 contemporaries, and the only reasoning I'm routinely given as to why people like it is "its easy to get wn8 in"... 1700 games in mine now and I prefer to run my appallingly bad Type 62 to it.  
WZ-111: 18
112: 22
T-34-3: 15

59-Patton: 11
FCM 50 t: 24
M4A1 Rev.: 23
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 21
leKpz M41 90mm:  21
Skorpion G: 23
Panther 88: 20
Löwe: 29 + 1 = 30:  The lowe has had somewhat of a resurgence since the recent buffs to it.  I actually recovered mine from its credit grave more than 4 years previous, and the games since then I have definitely grown to enjoy the thing.  Now with actual mobility, really good gun depression and turret armor (bullying tier 10s with it is hilarious), not to mention great pen and digi camo memes, its a great tier 8 SH tank and a great pub tank for training up new crews.  
Pz. 58 Mutz (Black): 20
STA-2: 24
FV4202 (P): 8
T26E4: 19
M46 KR: 21
T26E5 (Patriot): 25
IS-6 (Black): 12
KV-5: 20
T-44-100: 22

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Type 59: 18: 
WZ-111: 18
112: 22
T-34-3: 15

59-Patton: 11 -3 = 8 because its so damn ugly and so underwhelming compared to the Mutz and KR
FCM 50 t: 24
M4A1 Rev.: 23
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 21
leKpz M41 90mm:  21
Skorpion G: 23
Panther 88: 20
Löwe:  30:  

Pz. 58 Mutz (Black): 20
STA-2: 24
FV4202 (P): 8
T26E4: 19
M46 KR: 21
T26E5 (Patriot): 25
IS-6 (Black): 12 +1 = 13, Yes its been power creeped, but this tank still works pretty well and I never feel like I cannot make a difference in it
KV-5: 20
T-44-100: 22

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Type 59: 18: 
WZ-111: 18
112: 22
T-34-3: 15

59-Patton: 8
FCM 50 t: 24
M4A1 Rev.: 23 + 1 = 24; The alpha damage on that gun means you can easily make good amounts of credits with few shots fired. Also wtf300+damagealphaonsherman
AMX M4 49 (Liberté): 21
leKpz M41 90mm:  21
Skorpion G: 23
Panther 88: 20
Löwe:  30:  

Pz. 58 Mutz (Black): 20
STA-2: 24
FV4202 (P): 8 - 3 = 5; While it does have higher than average pen on ap, the apcr pen is shit. Also, its so big and sluggish its painful to play
M46 KR: 21
T26E5 (Patriot): 25
IS-6 (Black): 13
KV-5: 20
T-44-100: 22

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