WoT and any said comparisons are a No No at WoWs

[SmirkingGerbil 110]

So, I made some comments, offering up how WoT taught me things as to how to approach WoWs in a sane manner and be a better player.

Some forum members immediately poo pooed on my comparisons, and made it clear that WoT was Persona non Grata, it came off as elitist. My impression was "be gone you dirty WoT peasant" then a few replies kinda sorta tangentially adding some tacit admission that some of the things I mentioned had merit.

But my point is, I immediately felt as though some folks view us WoT converts new boat enthusiasts as dirty peasants beneath their beautiful unsullied game.

I hate to break it to them, but more WoT folks are eying WoWs, and we will bring all that is good and bad about WoT with us, justified, warranted or baseless it will happen.

Just kind of irked me, I made the point that you would think a WoT convert trying to get better due to experience in the other game is a good thing . . . which didn't go over well for a couple of folks.

My sin was a direct comparison (I believe) of battle count vs. the notion of a seal clubber. I disagreed with a guy calling the OP a seal clubber at 1400 battles and trying to get better at tier 4 and 5. My comparison included the viewpoint that you aren't even a Seal Clubber in WoT till you get up around 10K battles and are consistently below average tier 5 "ish".

Really, all it did was fuel my desire to be even better at Boats than my haphazard career path in WoT ended up being.

/Semi rant, woe is me, hurt feelz/ off.

Is this the right sub-forum? Still grappling with where to put this???

 

[Mesrith 356]

To be blunt, there's a sizable faction of regular forum members that have been around for quite awhile, and believe there's some moral superiority of the WoWS forums vs the WoT forums.  These people are typically bad or mediocre players, they're stat-haters and stat-deniers, and insist that any discussion of stats (or even the possibility of being good at the game) is "toxic" and bad for "the community", whatever that may be in their minds.  I suspect that they were equally bad at WoT, and fled to a different game hoping that they could create some anti-stat utopia where nobody would ever point out that they're A) not amazing players and B) don't know what they're talking about in regards to gameplay.

[SmirkingGerbil 110]

32 minutes ago, Mesrith said:

To be blunt, there's a sizable faction of regular forum members that have been around for quite awhile, and believe there's some moral superiority of the WoWS forums vs the WoT forums.  These people are typically bad or mediocre players, they're stat-haters and stat-deniers, and insist that any discussion of stats (or even the possibility of being good at the game) is "toxic" and bad for "the community", whatever that may be in their minds.  I suspect that they were equally bad at WoT, and fled to a different game hoping that they could create some anti-stat utopia where nobody would ever point out that they're A) not amazing players and B) don't know what they're talking about in regards to gameplay.

Well, after the tongue lashing, I didn't dare post my analogy of how passive light tank play in WoT, so that pubbies will shoot stuff, has a direct comparison in WoWs. My Nicholas DD has concealment researched and can spot all day for the team and allow them to shoot in relative safety, while not exposing myself to direct enemy fire (unless spotted by planes). I picked this up quickly and intuitively from my type of play style in my Type-64. Passive bush camping, spotting and target designation.

Also, in my D' Aosta when  launch I my spotter, the aiming view is very similar to the Battle Assistant view with Arty, so that aiming and shooting model was easy for me to adapt to.

But yeah, I didn't mention either, because it was tiresome even thinking about rebutting those boat elitist. I still feel though that WoT has directly assisted me in boats, and I am a better player because of it. I think they are really cutting off a segment of players by being snotty.

[CompanionCav 27]

Good for you if WoT experiences helped you.

I had a hard time adjusting to relative clumsiness and higher inertia of ship movements, as well as everything being a mini artillery meaning that mere LOS block does not make that quadrant safe from enemy fires.

I guess I still struggle judging safety of positions time to time.

[SchnitzelTruck 3,600]

1 hour ago, Mesrith said:

To be blunt, there's a sizable faction of regular forum members that have been around for quite awhile, and believe there's some moral superiority of the WoWS forums vs the WoT forums.  These people are typically bad or mediocre players, they're stat-haters and stat-deniers, and insist that any discussion of stats (or even the possibility of being good at the game) is "toxic" and bad for "the community", whatever that may be in their minds.  I suspect that they were equally bad at WoT, and fled to a different game hoping that they could create some anti-stat utopia where nobody would ever point out that they're A) not amazing players and B) don't know what they're talking about in regards to gameplay.

Mmmm reminds me of AW forums

[Rodrigopine 184]

Every gaming community has it's elitist scum. 99% of the time I just ignore them because you'll never change their point of view. You'll just end up exhausted and frustrated from the attempt.

[OnboardG1 1,279]

4 hours ago, Rodrigopine said:

Every gaming community has it's elitist scum. 99% of the time I just ignore them because you'll never change their point of view. You'll just end up exhausted and frustrated from the attempt.

These aren't elitists. They're the dunning-kruger crowd who think they're woke because they hide their stats.

[Rodrigopine 184]

1 minute ago, OnboardG1 said:

These aren't elitists. They're the dunning-kruger crowd who think they're woke because they hide their stats.

You're right. I should have wrote it as "elitist" scum. Thanks for the correction.

P.S. thanks for the juking/evading advice on the Pensacola from the other thread. It's worked well so far.

[Assassin7 4,352]

Trying to dis WoT players on WoWS is stupid, half the community probably plays or played WoT. Hell, your fucking account is linked to both games. 

I havent had too many Issues on the ships forum, the community *is* better overall than WoTs, I admit. However, that said, I did make a post when Gasai Yuno appeared on that forum, along the lines of "oh no now hes here god dammit" or something like that and got hated on to all hell by everyone. They were all saying "Hes not being negative, you are, you're just being an asshole for no reason blah blah blah blah". I can only imagine how much those people now wish hes gone, if hes still posting. I havent been on that forum since then and that was a few months ago.

 

Also, there seem to be a lot more finatics that dont want anyone to touch or change their precious game, its perfect the way it is right now. Dont touch it at all! Which is stupid.

[How_Terrible 529]

2 hours ago, Assassin7 said:

Trying to dis WoT players on WoWS is stupid, half the community probably plays or played WoT. Hell, your fucking account is linked to both games. 

I havent had too many Issues on the ships forum, the community *is* better overall than WoTs, I admit. However, that said, I did make a post when Gasai Yuno appeared on that forum, along the lines of "oh no now hes here god dammit" or something like that and got hated on to all hell by everyone. They were all saying "Hes not being negative, you are, you're just being an asshole for no reason blah blah blah blah". I can only imagine how much those people now wish hes gone, if hes still posting. I havent been on that forum since then and that was a few months ago.

 

Also, there seem to be a lot more finatics that dont want anyone to touch or change their precious game, its perfect the way it is right now. Dont touch it at all! Which is stupid.

I wouldn't say that the WoWS community is better then the WoT community. The reality is that the WoWS community simply hasn't been working its way to the bottom of the salt mines for as many years as the WoT community has.

 

As a general rule the longer any sort of group / organization / community is around the more it will be resistant to accepting people and ideas from outside their own community.

As for the last sentence.. Well that is every online game ever developed.

[SoliDeoGloria 417]

8 hours ago, SmirkingGerbil said:

Well, after the tongue lashing, I didn't dare post my analogy of how passive light tank play in WoT, so that pubbies will shoot stuff, has a direct comparison in WoWs.

But that doesn't really translate well into ships, as the detection mechanics are a fair bit different, and in WoT, spotting xp is much more rewarded. As for the WoT players, my F0XEY tags that appear on the forum garner me at least a bit of respect (or hate), if I choose to post.

[How_Terrible 529]

@SmirkingGerbil, just to be clear, you are talking about the official WoWS forum aren't you?

[Archaic_One 1,853]

25 minutes ago, How_Terrible said:

As a general rule the longer any sort of group / organization / community is around the more it will be resistant to accepting people and ideas from outside their own community.
 

Fuck off, nobody asked for your opinion. 

[Hellsfog 249]

My understanding is the most of the WOT-exposed crowd ran over to WoWs in the hopes that the forum would be more heavily moderated and they wouldn't be mocked for shitposting.  

[publord 20]

The official forums are only useful as entertainment.

 

 

[yoyoya2 528]

You know it's bad when they defend Gasai 

[SmirkingGerbil 110]

On 5/12/2017 at 8:04 PM, How_Terrible said:

@SmirkingGerbil, just to be clear, you are talking about the official WoWS forum aren't you?

Yessir

Also to all other posters, without going @shitcrazy and quoting everyone. This is why I love WoT Labs. Good insight, some different takes on my position, and a few angles to consider on why WoWs official forums are they way they are.

@CompanionCav Picked up on plunging fire pretty quick, I love hammering on island huggers who think they can camp and peek-a-boo shoot in safety. In general based on my limited play. German boats, too flat of an arc to do this. Some Murican boats you can tag island huggers on all but the tallest islands. Japanese (i.e. Furutaka), laugh while they try to figure out how the hell they are getting hit. The D' Aosta will do this also when your spotter plane is up.

@Archaic_One Just cuz you make me laugh.

 

Holy crap! forgive all the edits. In hotel, crazy weekend. Olympic Triathlon Sat, driving afterwards, night out with my son, who graduates from college today . . . long weekend.

Oh yeah, one more thing. I too saw Gasai post, and based on my feel for the forums at that time, I said nary a word, or maybe something very neutral and bland. Can't remember, point being, I was thinking "Let these nubs get cozy with this Weeboo, and then watch the shit hit the fan later when they try to extricate themselves from it" LOL.

[Jaegaer 180]

The WoWS crowd is still somewhat "fresh" and hasn't got the time to fondle all that sweet bitterness that a 5 yo game like WoT.

Also, in all fairness, WoT is like 10 times more rage inducing and the devs seemt o be unable to listen most of the time so some bitching is certainly to be expected.

[SmirkingGerbil 110]

Yes, I still play WoT every now and again, and it is like a descent into hell, salty wise. I stay much calmer and play with a better state of mind in Boats.

[Rodrigopine 184]

If you love plunging fire then get a Minotaur. lol     

[FlorbFnarb 537]

On 5/12/2017 at 6:03 PM, OnboardG1 said:

These aren't elitists. They're the dunning-kruger crowd who think they're woke because they hide their stats.

+1 for "woke".  I think that describes that sort of anti-stat person perfectly.